Skip to comments.Wife of Staff Sgt. Robert Bales' (releases) statement
Posted on 03/19/2012 4:15:37 PM PDT by xzins
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Our hometown papers here near Cincy have tried to descend on the family, but to date they’ve had little success. Instead they spend their time trying to find other sins they can carp on.
My experience says this soldier on his 4th deployment had been rode hard and could have been broken.
The bottom line, though, is that none of us really know anything other than what we’re reading in the media. And Haditha teaches me not to trust the media to give a soldier any benefit of the doubt or any presumption of innocence.
Actually, we don’t know that anyone pointed weapons at innocent children. To be honest with you, I’ve not even seen photos of any dead children. I only hear that they exist.
So, what I actually know is only what I’m hearing.
Now, what if Bales was CERTAIN in his mind that a local house contained insurgents who were responsible for his buddy’s leg being blown off by an IED, but that house was being protected by the afghanis due to a bigwig afghani living there?
Can you imagine his attacking that house with hand grenades?
Let’s imagine Mr Scot knowing that a local house contained gang members who regularly took shots at Scots Wife, but that corrupt, bought police were protecting the gang.
Can you imagine Mr Scot weaponing up and shooting up the gang house?
It was a stupid war from the beginning. And I must be fair and say from the beginning, not simply because I don’t like the current occupant of the White House. But it was stupid under Bush too. Needless. Was not a necessary reaction to what occurred on 9/11.
And we don’t drat anybody anymore. So with people going on 10+ redeployments does anybody seriously wonder why there are mental issues and people who snap?
The thing that you have to remember about hajis is that they lie. Always. They can’t NOT lie, especially when it comes to us.
Blasting people with your rifle is one thing, but burning some but not others? It doesn’t make any sense. And why the specific houses?
Believe me, it is not remotely out of the realm of possibility for the hajis in the town to have hidden any weapons in those homes and even burned some of the bodies themselves to make it look like some kind of war crime. Obviously this is all speculation, but you can never, EVER tell with those people.
I was accused of a lot of crap by hajis, too. I remember this one family of a known insurgent we grabbed accused of us of stealing a large amount of Iraqi dinar (their money). Ironically, the amount they accused us of stealing was far lower than the actual amount we confiscated and marked as evidence for his detainment. Not to mention dinar are useless to U.S. troops since you can’t possibly spend it anywhere.
point well taken
I don’t think it was a stupid expedition from the beginning. The taliban government clearly harbored and aided bin Laden. There is no doubt.
Not just now, but years and years ago I believed this should have been (Afghan and Iraq both) a reprisal operation instead of a drawn out war and nation building.
Topple the government, ruin their war-making capability, capture their criminal leaders, try and execute them.
Then leave with a promise that we’d return and repeat the process if they bothered us again.
I just got back from a trip, so I’m playing catchup with this story.
So...besides possible mental breakdown...it could be it never happened at all. Or - something happened but has been spinned into something else.
If he has been falsely accused, I hope evidence remains to bring that to light.
What a mess.
While I can imagine Mr. Scot reacting with force - I cannot imagine him reacting in the manner which you describe.
See post #204. FutureSnakeEater was SSG Bales’ platoon leader in Iraq. Bales saved his skin on at least one occasion.
Read what FSE has to say in #204 about these people and their problem with honesty.
The prevailing sentiment here is a welcome change from the usual remarks I see here about people who “snap” and commit heinous crimes.
Look back on any thread about a mom suffering from postpartum depression who kills her kids or some bullied teen who takes a gun and opens fire on fellow students. The remarks can usually be summed up as “a rabid dog doesn’t know what it’s done but you put it down anyway.”
It’s good to see most people advocating understanding and treatment instead an immediate and painful death sentence.
True, Smooth. I was wondering about the investigative phase (CID vs. NCIS).
Agreed - and she should be allowed to see him and speak with him in private NOW!
I hope you are right.I’m just a bit cautious when it comes to ANYTHING our Govt. does under the 0
Innocent until proven guilty. Be kind. . . for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
Google that and you'll have trouble finding mention of it, but it happened not long ago.
try not to be so quick to jump to conclusions,
keep in mind that because Afghanistan is now one of those Bravo Sierra "hearts and minds" "wars", it is entirely plausible that this attrocity was perpetrated by the enemy as a PR battle
Bale was freinds with all those Afghan people who were murdered , what if they were murdered by the Taliban for befriending Bale....just what if,
keep in mind we are dealing with a enemy that has a savage and brutal history of treachery that we cannot even comprehend
Yes, I really hope she’s going to get to see him privately soon. This must be unbelievably hard on her.
Happy to see that one attorney stated that Panetta should just "shut up" and that unlawful command influence was brought up.
One issue that could loom large in the case is the risk that statements by those higher in the chain of command can have a prejudicial effect on members of the court-martial, a problem known as unlawful command influence.
The last third of the article is especially good.
Thanks for pointing that out (UCI). Panetta thought it was “likely” there was a confession? I missed that statement from Panetta. Bales’ lawyer sure doesn’t make it sound like he confessed, or if he did, he doesn’t remember it.
Exactly, Girl. Really glad it was pointed out Panetta is playing the political game. It looks to me that SSgt. Bales has a very good attorney in John Browne.
Amen to that and thank you both!
No, he craps in the house.
Funny I dont hear of riots all over Afghanistan after this supposed massacre. Why not? Doesnt that seem odd? Is this supposed crime worse than Abu Ghraib? Koran burning? How did muslims act after that came out? There are so many things that dont make sense with this case. Something is not adding up here.
Hmm, very good point. I have read rumors (FOAF) that what happened is not as portrayed in the MSM.
The lawyer is right but it's too late. Panetta's been running his mouth alot. We've already got the taint of possible UCI. Add to that Panetta's total disregard for the presumption of innocence inherent in the UCMJ. Another damn Murtha.
He went out in the morning, early morning, and went to these homes and fired on these families and then at some point after that came back to the forward operations base and basically turned himself in, told individuals what had happened, Panetta said.
Your mom's-basement military-squawk is what is superfluous, which is why you used it to give trivia the impression of importance.
This is a decorated combat veteran who obviously had a psychological breakdown. The ROEs are literally, obviously and demonstrably the most lethal threat our military faces, as has been discussed and exemplified many, many times.
There are shills, and then there are things that are lower than shills. You're at the bottom.
Between this walking, talking CHARLEY FOXTROT and his buddy over at DOE.....
Chu: I would give myself an A for energy prices
...I'm beginning to wonder if this entire administration is so out-of-touch with reality that they qualify for a rubber room right now, or if they're just trying to keep the lid on things until their Final Bunker construction project is completed.
Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales initially asserted that he had shot several Afghan men outside a U.S. combat outpost in southern Afghanistan on March 11...
“He indicated to his buddies that he had taken out some military-aged males,” the senior official said. Soldiers normally use that term to denote insurgents.
First I’ve heard of this. To speculate(given the way the enemy operates), he could have killed a couple of hajis, returned to base and all the other killings were done by someone else after he left the scene. He’s being set up for something he didn’t do. No wonder he can’t remember it.
The officials asked not to be identified discussing an ongoing criminal investigation.
I didn't count the number of times "official or officials" was used in the article but it was plenty.
Bunch of stand up guys or gals aren't they? They're feeding unofficial official info to the press.
Their careers would be done for commenting on a murder investigation to the press. They really shouldn’t be saying anything.
We know from Haditha and from other military cases that CID, the Army Criminal investigators, pretend neutrality but actually work for themselves and the prosecution. They are the same role as the Navy/Marine investigators.
If I’d bet on the source of an “unofficial info feed” I’d bet on CID.
You're absolutely right, FSN and I agree with xzins that it may well be coming from CID.
More about the murky events of that night and whether Bales remembered anything or has little recollection:
It’s the same story I posted from a different website, mine was LA Times, yours Chicago Tribune. Looks like the original source for both is Reuters.
There’s something fishy about this whole thing.
Absolutely, too many of those asshats are all about "career path enhancement", standards and protocol be damned.
“Unknowns”, my broad butt.
This is no more and no less than a setup.
I’ve been cussing about My Lai 2.0 (staged in the Sandbox instead of ‘Nam) ever since the start of OIF.
This is it, boys and girls.
According to members of nobama’s minion American military are guilty from the get to, not alleged, unless your name is hassan (a muslim) who allegedly killed 13 military in Ft Hood.
I suspect he was drunk. He admits to drinking but ... just a little bit. Kinda like “not inhaling”.
If he did this, and I hope he didn’t, he should be sentenced appropriately.
KB, why not sit back with a hot cup of tea and relax. We were not there, and you?
Shep said something to the effect that officials said not to fall for emotional turmoil [paraphrased]. That told me all I needed to know. I have noticed a point/counterpoint strategy. Anytime something comes out that makes Bale seem human, another piece of dirt is dropped.
If either of you have a ping list please add me to it.
Smooth, not much here is making sense. Who would set him up other than the Taliban? How would they know to set him up on this one night? IF (and that’s a big if) you can believe the reporting that said he admitted to killing some MAM’s, how did the “massacre” in the one village elder’s house occur at the same time. IOW, someone would have to know he was going out to get some MAM’s, then plan their own “massacre” at the same time.
I don’t know how much investigation has been done as to the number/gender/age etc. of Afghanis that were claimed murdered in these two areas. I would assume there is some validity to the numbers, but don’t know for sure.
Not questioning your idea, smooth, just trying to figure out how it would be possible.
CBS News reported tonight that his lawyer seemed to think he would be charged on Thursday.
The French have known the facts since the days of the Foreign Legion in the North African deserts:
The Foreign Legion has manufactured a special expression of its own for this mental state Cafard. The cafard reigned. The cafard of the Foreign Legion, a near relative to tropical madness, is a collective name for all the inconceivable stupidities, excesses and crimes which tormented nerves can commit. The English language has no word for this condition. In cafard murder hides, and suicide and mutiny; it means self mutilation and plan-less flight out into the desert; it is the height of madness and the depth of despair. All idiocy in the Legion is called cafard. A legionnaire is gloomy, sitting sullenly on his bed for hours, speaking to no one. If you ask him what is the matter, he will answer with a gross insult. He sits thinking all the time and does the queerest things. He has the cafard. His madness may turn into a senseless explosion or fit of fury; men suffering from cafard will run a bayonet through their comrades body, without any reason, without any outward cause. Sometimes they rush out into the desert, sometimes they tear every piece of their outfit into rags, just to vex themselves and others thoroughly. The cafard is at its worst in the hot season when the sun burns down relentlessly from the cloudless, deep blue sky, with the strange greenish coloring of the horizon peculiar to Algeria. Then the barrack-yard of the Foreign Legion lies deserted. It is so hot that the stones on the yellow clayey ground seem to move in the glimmering overheated air. The legionnaire sentries wear the flowing white neck-protector, and have stuffed wet cloths into their kepis.
Nope. That was Dash-ti-Leili.
(This isn’t directed at anyone in particular so don’t think Ima targeting anyone)
There has to be first time for everything so Ima going to tell you what I think. Mark this on your calendars.
Bales either had specific information on the whereabouts of Taliban but was unable under SOP to do something about it and took matters into his own hands. He is a highly trained, competent, EXPERIENCED COMBAT SOLDIER.
He was specifically groomed to take out certain Taliban, who, under normal SOP were untouchable.
There is reporting he was unhappy with his assignment to F ghanistan. I’m sure he was unhappy seeing ANOTHER fellow soldier wounded horribly. Just right for the picking.
Any body who knows anything about anything going on over there is gonna lawyer up, take the Presidential defense—aka—I DON’T RECALL, and let the chips fall where they may.
I don’t need “mitigating” circumstances. I DON’T CARE who he killed-—namely—”innocent women and children”.
Take a step back and ask yourself why you post on this website. Don’t like abortion? Don’t like national healthcare? Don’t like the erosion of your religious freedom? Freedom of speech? Don’t like the corruption, the greed, the lies, the the total unending BS? (This is where I really start yelling)
HOW DO YOU THINK SGT BALES FEELS?