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Malia in Mexico story vanishing from the Web
Times247 ^ | 3/19/12 | Eric Ritz

Posted on 03/19/2012 5:59:15 PM PDT by lward99

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To: EDINVA

Someone made the point earlier...Twitter, Facebook are part of our lives a guest could have tweeted how cool it was to see MAO. The risk is simply with being the daughter of the POTUS.

I am a father and there is NO FN WAY I would have sent my 13 yr old kid to Mexico during a period of time when the State Dept was warning against traveling there. Bad parenting. Bad decisions. Bad POTUS.

That being said - It is still a violation of the first amendment for this administration to abuse its power to ask politely or forcefully for many news organizations to pull a story that he found objectionable.

We are dealing with a dictator, it’s time people recognized that.

BTW - There were plenty of stories about the Bush twins about where they partied and drank....none of them were as flattering as this story about MAO.


102 posted on 03/19/2012 8:34:39 PM PDT by lward99 (http://www.politicalmedia.com)
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To: Shadowstrike

AMEN!


103 posted on 03/19/2012 8:34:39 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: jdionne

Yeah, how dare the mods actually moderate FR. /s


104 posted on 03/19/2012 8:44:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Venturer; null and void

25 SS agents!, wow, how many of the kids are they protecting?!


105 posted on 03/19/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: Shadowstrike

To your point, there’s a difference between an individual tweeting about what they see and the press publishing security details for an international audience.


106 posted on 03/19/2012 8:52:25 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Lazamataz

Join the club!


107 posted on 03/19/2012 8:54:26 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Tweeting IS an International audience.


108 posted on 03/19/2012 8:55:02 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

They probably took over the entire hotel.


109 posted on 03/19/2012 8:56:50 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: livius

oh YUCK. You entirely went to far there, you’re talking about CHILDREN


110 posted on 03/19/2012 8:58:56 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: Shimmer1

And that makes me mad as he** too!

More money wasted!

A 13 year old does not need to be going on Spring Break to Mexico! Period! Especially when my tax dollars are paying for it.


111 posted on 03/19/2012 8:59:18 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
To your point, there’s a difference between an individual tweeting about what they see and the press publishing security details for an international audience.

That has to be the most idiotic comment I have ever seen posted here.....series???

What, you think Twits and FB are somehow confined in some inner circle?

Evidently, you are also fine with the SS having the power to scrub the Internet, I knew you had a smell, I should have stayed with my gut instinct.

Please, no more suck up FRmails, thanks.

112 posted on 03/19/2012 9:01:43 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: livius
Mexico is not dangerous unless you happen to be selling cocaine or trying to trans-ship marijuana to the US, or are a decent Mexican unfortunate enough to live in one of the areas where these have become normal activities.

Wasn't a whole bus full of tourists on a Carnival cruise robbed at gunpoint in Puerta Vallarta 2 or 3 weeks ago? Doesn't sound too safe to me when they start feeding off the tourists en masse.

113 posted on 03/19/2012 9:06:00 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I never suggested I was okay with the SS scrubing the Internet. You totally misinterpreted what I said. I’m okay with the press taking down a story voluntarily if the SS indicates it could be a security risk. Cleary, the SS doesn’t have the power to scrub those stories. FR took down a story earlier. You think they got to JR & the mods too? Nonsense.


114 posted on 03/19/2012 9:14:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: lward99

I’d have a fit if my 30 year old went to Mexico! Been to Mexico many times way in the past, wouldn’t even consider it today. Lots of places I wouldn’t consider today.

At this point I am more concerned with Obama’s HHS mandating that college girls’ voluntary sterilizations be covered by insurers than his putting the arm on his ever-compliant friends in the press about when/where his daughter is.

I’m not too sure, tho, this is a technical violation of the 1st Amendment. He doesn’t have to ORDER the press what to say or not to say, he just says what he wants and it’s done. The ‘free press’ has, over and over again, violate its responsibility as a free press. It has been utterly corrupted. And I fully realize he is a dictator.


115 posted on 03/19/2012 9:21:58 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

I agree that the media likely agreed to pull the stories. The problem is the abuse of power and privilege. Removing the stories after they were posted for hours on the internet was NOT a security measure. It was a political one.

How did making a few major news sources pull the story make the situation any safer for MAO?

Damage done, move the girls to a remote secure location or bring them home. Instead the bully in charge, and I mean Michelle likely overreacted to someone posting a story about her princess and she demanded the POTUS/SS do something about it.


117 posted on 03/19/2012 9:37:42 PM PDT by lward99 (http://www.politicalmedia.com)
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To: Lazamataz; BuckeyeTexan
You got some history with some of those folks, that’s all.

Yep, and so do I, but this stalking is getting out of line. Tex is good people.

118 posted on 03/19/2012 9:47:41 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: null and void
They need to bloody well stop nuking it.

I strenuously object to my money being used for Obama getaways, regardless of which Obama it happens to be.

My money, my business. Period.

119 posted on 03/19/2012 10:01:44 PM PDT by Houmatt (NObama in 2012!)
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To: livius
Mexico is not dangerous unless you happen to be selling cocaine or trying to trans-ship marijuana to the US, or are a decent Mexican unfortunate enough to live in one of the areas where these have become normal activities.

Travel Warning
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Bureau of Consular Affairs

Mexico
February 08, 2012


The Department of State has issued this Travel Warning to inform U.S. citizens about the security situation in Mexico.

U.S. citizens have fallen victim to TCO activity, including homicide, gun battles, kidnapping, carjacking and highway robbery.

The number of U.S. citizens reported to the Department of State as murdered in Mexico increased from 35 in 2007 to 120 in 2011.

The rising number of kidnappings and disappearances throughout Mexico is of particular concern. Both local and expatriate communities have been victimized. In addition, local police have been implicated in some of these incidents.
120 posted on 03/19/2012 10:15:03 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: null and void
In addition to larger news organizations, smaller sites are also removing their stories....Free Republic removed a related discussion thread....

Of these sites, the only one to state a reason for the change was “Free Republic,“ where the Admin wrote ”Leave the kids alone.”

121 posted on 03/19/2012 11:45:30 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: isthisnickcool

Review of Cuban-American Blogs

To tell the unconventional truth, respecting no one who does not respect Cuba or the Cuban people's right to freedom.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 Meet Fidel Odinga

Yes, his complete name is Fidel Castro Odinga. He is the eldest son of Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga and a first cousin to Barack Hussein Obama. The late Obama Sr. was the prime minister's maternal uncle. Although Obama Sr. was educated at Harvard and Odinga in East Germany, uncle and nephew were friends and political allies.

Today it is Barack Obama and Raila Odinga who have formed a transcontinental political alliance. In fact, Senator Obama, in an unprecedented breech of protocal, went to Kenya in 2006 to campaign on his cousin's behalf in that country's presidential election.

Raila lost the election when a secret pact was revealed with Kenya's Muslim Brotherhood to institute sharia law in all the country's courts in exchange for their support of his candidacy. This is all the more remarkable because it is Christianity (66%), not Islam (10%), which is the largest religion in Kenya, and English common law, not the Koran, which is the basis for its legal system. Or, perhaps, it is not so remarkable, after all, since both the Odingas and Obamas belong to the 10 percent.

Although not an observant Muslim, Odinga does represent Moammar Qaffafy's oil interests in southern Africa, which may better explain his willingness to tranform his non-Muslim country into a Muslim state as Idi Amin did in Uganda when he was the recipient of the colonel's largesse 30 years ago.

Odinga's connection to Barack Obama, however, has proved more useful in his political career than Qadaffy's billions. It was in the expectation of Obama's election as president, and to ingratiate himself to him, that Odinga's political rival offered him the premiership as a consolation prize.

When Prime Minister Odinga named his son "Fidel Castro," he broke with Kenyan tradition as he should have named him for the boy's grandfather Oginga Odinga (the Kenyan "Fidel Castro"), a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary who led an unsuccessful coup to topple the government of Kenya on behalf of the Soviets.

It is not known whether Oginga Odinga's brother-in-law, Obama Sr., was involved in the coup, though given the tribal character of politics in Kenya it would be difficult to imagine that he wasn't at least aware of it or wouldn't have profited by it even if he didn't contribute to it. Indeed, that may have been the reason for Obama Sr.'s failed political career in Kenya.

It is certainly ironic that Obama Sr.'s star eclipsed because of his relationship to Oginga Odinga, whereas his son Raila's rose because of his connection to Obama Jr.

We wonder how things might have turned out if Obama Sr., the Harvard-trained economist, had followed his cousin's example and named his American-born son "John Maynard Keynes Obama." Posted by Manuel A.Tellechea

122 posted on 03/19/2012 11:52:46 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Timber Rattler
The Secret Service is calling lots of editors, producers, and blogmasters and making offers they can’t refuse.

The First Amendment got repealed?

123 posted on 03/20/2012 12:22:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: mojitojoe
I vehemently disagree with you on this. Last month Moochies Aspen vacation was very hush hush. It’s an election year, what you said is incorrect. He’s in trouble and things like this just piss more people off and he needs every vote he can get. It’s not about safety, it’s about hiding the money being spent. If it was about safety they wouldn’t have sent her to Mexico. I’m sure she is safe. That, you can count on.

What happened to 'we will all have to agree to disagree'? I feel as vehemently -- leave the children of politicians alone! I expressed anger when W's daughters were maligned, even more so when Palin's children were abused. I'm not going to switch my core belief on this just because I don't like the politician (which is an understatement).

Maybe the motivation for story quashing IS political. I don't care. Mexico is riddled with very well armed drug gangs. It's not safe for anyone, they routinely cap top pols in that country. Maximize the kids protection!

124 posted on 03/20/2012 2:49:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Lazamataz

We shouldn’t have to debate the safety of children and the 1st Amendment for reasons of a careless President.


125 posted on 03/20/2012 3:05:01 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: jdionne
The sad truth is that there are grown adults who see fit to trash the appearance and demeanor of a 13-year-old girl.

FR mods have been doing this a long time, and often on stories such as this the only way to get posters to knock it off is to pull threads until they get the message (which did work in this case).

Sorry you find such so restrictive. I'm sure you can find a site where posters can trash kids to their hearts content.

126 posted on 03/20/2012 3:27:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Publius6961; Gene Eric
The problem is that people think free speech is a mandate, but there are times when we all have the right to choose not to speak.

When anyone's life could be jeopardized, even that of an inept president or his family, or if national security could be compromised, it is a good time to make that choice.

It's too bad that, in this case, the editors, producers and blogmasters have to be coerced to not speak up, but when it comes to something like a president's eligibility to serve (and, mind you, all we need is the undeniable, unforged proof), most of them choose to be silent.

127 posted on 03/20/2012 3:31:34 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Lazamataz
....Maybe the motivation for story quashing IS political. I don't care. Mexico is riddled with very well armed drug gangs. It's not safe for anyone, they routinely cap top pols in that country. Maximize the kids protection!

Indeed, protect the chillrun. Maybe the best way to do that is to keep them home or change the venue to a safer third world country such as Anacostia in SW Washington DC.

Using this administration's guide lines and laws a case for child endangerment could be made against every parent and the Sidwell Friends School. After all the situation in Mexico is far more dangerous than not having the kids safely strapped into the Benz's, BMW, and Range Rover's on their daily ride to school. Or...heaven forbid suffering second hand smoke in the White House.

My real concern is that the resident and the liberal clown posse of parents willing place their off spring in harm's way as potential hostages In what is essentially a lawless country. The narco cartels have assassinated hundreds of policemen, chiefs and even federal Prosecutors, and on more than one occasion attacked full army units

Essentially Sidwell Friends and the WH has set up the potential for a mini Beslan scenario in order to have their children's ticket punched for "social awareness - empathy and third world solidarity" and get the tee shirts to prove it.

The cartels knew of this trip long before the press became aware of it. Among all the resort area workers down to maids and busboys knew of it. How many are on cartel payrolls, willingly or not.

Then consider DOJ and BATF involvement in "Fast and Furious". Is a hostage/blackmail scenario really in conceivable?

I leave you with this article from the BBC published today.

Mexican policemen killed after beheadings

19 March 12 19:05 ET

Gunmen in western Mexico have killed 12 policemen investigating the beheadings of 10 people.

The officers were attacked as they searched for bodies after severed heads were found near the town of Teloloapan in Guerrero state on Sunday.

Messages threatening the La Familia drug cartel were found with the heads.

Correspondents say La Familia and the Knights Templar, a rival cartel, are fighting for control of the drugs trade in Guerrero state.

Few details have been released about the ambush, which occurred late on Sunday. At least nine agents were injured and are being treated in hospital.

Some 4,000 Mexican police and army are involved in operations against drug traffickers in the area, where major tourist destinations like Acapulco and Zihuatanejo are located.

128 posted on 03/20/2012 3:50:49 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Jean S; BuckeyeTexan
Yep, and so do I, but this stalking is getting out of line. Tex is good people.

I got her back.

Of course, if she permits, I got her front, too. LOL

129 posted on 03/20/2012 4:16:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Gene Eric
Being critical of Barack Obama is understandable and encouraged. He's a careless fool for letting this happen.

That said, once the careless decision is made, the SS should take every measure to protect Malia, including what I see as very sensible information quashing. I bet it was all very voluntary, a call from the SS saying, "Hey, could ya..." as opposed to "Hey, we will storm you unless you..."

130 posted on 03/20/2012 4:19:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Covenantor
Indeed, protect the chillrun. Maybe the best way to do that is to keep them home or change the venue to a safer third world country such as Anacostia in SW Washington DC.

Absolutely! I agree with that. In fact, if a Mexico trip was THAT necessary for Malia, perhaps Barack could have taken a tiny break from his golf and fundraisers and gone with her???

131 posted on 03/20/2012 4:21:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: lward99
I do not advocate going after any child but when politicians see fit to unleash the media on private citizens' lives, which affects the children of those powerless private citizens, then all is fair. We the people have the right to speak out without fear of our families being destroyed by a powerful politician or party who doesn't like what is being said and has media influence. Politicians know what they and their families are getting into when they choose that career. As much as they want to have it both ways, it's not their right.

If parents want to send their kid to Mexico for Spring Break, that is their right, but when it involves my tax money, I have a right to know and comment about it. If a politician doesn't like that, then don't become a public figure spending my tax money on things like that.

132 posted on 03/20/2012 4:34:44 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: null and void
Only a madman would sacrifice his own flesh and blood to start a war.

Indeed.
I see what you did there.
Wouldn't you love to see a DNA analysis?

133 posted on 03/20/2012 5:06:59 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

And if something happens to her, will anybody say...

“Where were the parents?”


134 posted on 03/20/2012 5:57:51 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Timber Rattler
The Secret Service is calling lots of editors, producers, and blogmasters and making offers they can’t refuse.

And they haven't had anyone read them the First Amendment over the telephone, and then hang up?

135 posted on 03/20/2012 6:03:25 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Pearls Before Swine
You're absolutely right. I knew that the situation in Mexico was dire when the thugs started preying on the tourists. Talk about slitting your own throat.

If the tourists avoid Mexico, a huge revenue source will dry up and blow away. Nitwits.

Thirty years ago, thieves got very long prison sentences for messing with tourists.
136 posted on 03/20/2012 6:32:31 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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25 SS agents!, wow, how many of the kids are they protecting?!

maybe three shifts of 8 and a team leader..I dont see that as "over the top"....heh, anyone here ever realized that Malia's initials are MAO....

137 posted on 03/20/2012 6:37:40 AM PDT by sternup
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To: lward99; sheikdetailfeather

At the beginning of his radio show this morning, Glenn Beck mentioned Free Republic as one of the on-line web sites that took the thread down on this subject. Reason given by moderator: “Leave the kids alone.”


138 posted on 03/20/2012 6:44:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: jdionne
That said, the true insult has been committed by the moderator, taking it upon them-self to decide what subjects are “correct” for a Free Republic to discuss.

u mad, bro?

139 posted on 03/20/2012 6:46:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Lorianne

Did anyone else go to exclusive “Quaker” private schools?


140 posted on 03/20/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by steve8714 (Clay...Carnahan...who is the least of these?)
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To: biggredd1

Because she has twenty-five taxpayer paid bodyguards and, probably, taxpayer funded transportation?


141 posted on 03/20/2012 7:05:07 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: lward99; All
Update:

White House Admits Asking Media to Scrub Reports of Malia Obama's Mexican Vacation

142 posted on 03/20/2012 7:43:10 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: montag813
And they haven't had anyone read them the First Amendment over the telephone, and then hang up?

No. Editors are not suicidal. Welcome to 1933.

Even FR buckled. (Of course we did it for the children!)

When the discussion should be:

Q. What kind of parent would arm a country's criminals and then send their daughter to that country to vacay?

A. The kind that wants to confiscate the lunch you packed, and give your daughter free condoms...

143 posted on 03/20/2012 7:49:32 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1155 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: mojitojoe

I’m sure it’s out there. Maybe Breit decided to pull it. Not a bad idea, really. I think wearing a peace sign in a foreign country is kind of provocative for the First Daughter, and this is the second time. You can tell it’s the second time because she’s older, taller, and looking a lot like her mother now, with that prominent lantern jaw and underbite. Not a flattering pic. Wish Daddy Long Legs would keep his daughters out of his election.


144 posted on 03/20/2012 8:15:56 AM PDT by Mamzelle (*lol*)
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To: lward99

It’s news because they have put a travel alert for everyone else who planned to go to Mexico.


145 posted on 03/20/2012 8:21:20 AM PDT by tobyhill (Fight Fire With Fire)
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To: lward99; Admin Moderator
I cannot agree on this, as long as the request truly was a request.

Free Republic's admin moderator, to his credit, gave a reason: “Leave the kids alone.”

Let's change the situation a little. About a half-decade ago, I wrote an article that neither I nor my Army Public Affairs media escorts realized while I was doing the interview could have compromised the safety of the troops. The article was printed and then posted online. Shortly afterward I received a call from PAO requesting that some key parts of the article be removed from the internet as a security risk.

I had no problem with that request and quickly did what I was asked to do. Requests are requests. As long as I don't have to comply, that's fine — and the fact is that PAO was fully aware I would never knowingly have written something to put troops at risk, and their own people standing next to me didn't realize the problem themselves.

Government steps over the line when requests become something other than requests, or if the request is made merely to avoid making a public official or public figure look bad.

I think Vice President Joe Biden or President George Bush (both Bush I and Bush II) can advise President Obama on what happens when kids are no longer kids, and when college-age or adult sons and daughters of presidents do things they shouldn't be doing.

102 posted on Monday, March 19, 2012 10:34:39 PM by lward99: “That being said - It is still a violation of the first amendment for this administration to abuse its power to ask politely or forcefully for many news organizations to pull a story that he found objectionable. We are dealing with a dictator, it’s time people recognized that. BTW - There were plenty of stories about the Bush twins about where they partied and drank....none of them were as flattering as this story about MAO.”

146 posted on 03/20/2012 8:36:26 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: null and void; montag813; Admin Moderator
135 posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:03:25 AM by montag813 “And they haven't had anyone read them the First Amendment over the telephone, and then hang up?”

143 posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:49:32 AM by null and void: “No. Editors are not suicidal. Welcome to 1933. Even FR buckled. (Of course we did it for the children!)”

I'm going to defend the anonymous Free Republic Admin Moderator cited on The Blaze, here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-is-the-story-about-malia-obama-vacationing-in-mexico-disappearing-from-the-web/

Maybe I **AM** suicidal, but last night I basically did to a local official what montag813 suggested, and did the same thing this morning to another one. I was politer in both cases and didn't hang up, but did use the F-word to make my point very clear. Let's just say I'm not known for gutter language, and when I do things like use the F-word, it's to make crystal clear I'm not backing down when the law is on my side.

Details on my situation are irrelevant here other than that the law is crystal clear on the points involved, the officials have a short period of time time to fix the issue quietly, and if they don't, it's not my fault that they chose to violate the law shortly before municipal and school district elections which are coming up in the first week of April. One official already did the right thing. The other, after talking to lawyers, will probably call a special meeting to fix the problem.

Picking your First Amendment battles is important. Publicizing the vacation plans of teen and pre-teen children is perfectly legal, but it is incredibly unwise. Free Republic needs to be fighting battles that count, not battles that will antagonize people for no good reason.

Whatever we think of Barack Obama, a large number of fathers and mothers will have great sympathy for not wanting to put his kids at risk of attack, and instead of blaming him for sending them to Mexico will blame the media (and Free Republic) for printing details of where they're staying. That's the wrong fight.

147 posted on 03/20/2012 8:59:18 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

A local official is qualitatively different from the full power of The White House.

What was your risk? The zoning commission wouldn’t approve your plans to put in a hot tub?

That being said, you did well, both telling them to FOAD and giving them time to fix the underlying problem.


148 posted on 03/20/2012 9:06:10 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1155 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: TheOldLady

Oh yes, I sure would! Especially on #2.


149 posted on 03/20/2012 9:27:02 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: jdionne

Mods gone wild! :P The story went viral, ridiculous to censor and pull them on FR. That is not what FR stand for. Have you ever tried to put the cat back in the bag ????????????? Once the story was out, there was no getting rid of it.


150 posted on 03/20/2012 9:29:40 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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