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Gun that killed Florida teen was fired once not twice by crime watch volunteer
bostonherald.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Rene Stutzman and Bianca Prieto

Posted on 03/20/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 03/20/2012 7:21:16 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. — The handgun that killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, was fired once — not twice — by a neighborhood crime watch volunteer, according to new information obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.

Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: stormer
It's a census designation ~ and "White, Not Hispanic" is another one.

So, he's not "White, Not Hispanic", which is the ONLY category white folks get in the census. His picture suggests he has a heavy permanent tan!

And EARRINGS dude ~ he has earrings. That's just not normal

61 posted on 03/20/2012 8:08:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Did Eric Holder ever investigate the murder of these 2 WHITE British men by Shawn Tyson

Did the local police fail to arrest Tyson and charge him with murder? I'm failing to see the similarity.

62 posted on 03/20/2012 8:08:50 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: marktwain
'That Zimmerman was bleeding from the face and the back of the head shows that Trayvon was a threat.

That's all subjective. We don't know if that blood on Mr.Zimmerman's face and back is from Mr. Martin. We don't know all the details. Did the police conduct a investigation with photos of Mr. Zimmerman. Did the EMT treat Mr. Zimmerman.

Simply saying that because 'blood' was on Mr. Zimmerman proved that Mr. Martin was a treat; it proves nothing. Only that 'blood' was on him.

63 posted on 03/20/2012 8:08:56 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

Under growing public pressure, the Department of Justice announced Monday that it would conduct a review of the case, but added the qualification that the “government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids.”

Complicating matters, Florida state law allows a person the right to stand their ground and use deadly force if they feel threatened. The Justice Department recognized that, stating that “negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws.”

The federal government can’t prosecute Zimmerman for murder or manslaughter, so any prosecution for civil rights violations must prove Zimmerman took Martin’s life because of prejudice.

Zimmerman’s family denied he is a racist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57400609/feds-face-challenges-in-trayvon-martin-case/


64 posted on 03/20/2012 8:09:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Talisker; Gunslingr3
The deal is he was in a car; then he got out of the car and shot the kid.

We know that from Zimmerman's own call to 911.

He has an earring!

65 posted on 03/20/2012 8:10:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

This is a senseless tragedy that resulted in the death of a child. Please don’t try to make into something political.


66 posted on 03/20/2012 8:12:14 PM PDT by NMCicero
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To: kcvl
BTW, Florida's "stand your ground" law applies to the victim ~ his name is Martin. He is black. He stood his ground and was shot by Zimmerman.

Martin had no weapon and was much smaller and weaker.

The "stand your ground" law pretty much works against Zimmerman.

67 posted on 03/20/2012 8:12:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yarddog
It was a Kel-Tec so the slide may have over ran the top one in the magazine without moving it. I have no personal experience but have heard they were not reliable.

Kel-Tec pistols are highly reliable.

They are most often used as backups.

Thus are by definition very reliable.


68 posted on 03/20/2012 8:13:06 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Theoria
Put it this way ~ when Zimmerman shot Martin at point blank range there was some blowback of blood all over Zimmerman. It dripped down even the back of his head.

Probably nailed the kid in the heart ~ but we don't know what the autopsy was. No doubt we will find out when Court TV covers this one.

69 posted on 03/20/2012 8:15:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

That is good to hear. I had thought about getting a Kel-Tec as the price is good but had heard they were unreliable.

Now if a couple more will verify that, I just might go shopping.


70 posted on 03/20/2012 8:17:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Gunslingr3
He can be prosecuted if he was trying to unlawfully detain the guy but I wasn't there so I won't judge him or question his right to defend himself. The 911 call from Zimmerman supposedly tells a different story. Some reports say the kid came at Zimmerman and that he did have injuries. I don't think that either of us were there so we should refrain from starting a Lynch mob or declaring him guilty. There will be enough of that from the poverty pimps and the media. Lets let the local grand jury do their job without a race-riot pressuring them to indict.
71 posted on 03/20/2012 8:17:36 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: cport
It's not clear that Zimmerman was part of an authorized "Neighborhood Watch" organization. More like he's just out at night with a gun.

There are such folks ~ they aren't all nice guys.

There was some discussion today of OTHER MURDERS that followed this same pattern in that area, so there may be a lot more going on here than we know about at this time.

72 posted on 03/20/2012 8:18:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

There is a campaign against Zimmerman (which includes MSM & political operatives) behind this the same as it was against Rush. That is all they know how to do is to be “ outraged” about something (anything) that keeps them behind a computer screen and FROM A JOB!

There is even a petition on change.org ( I thought belonged to Obama) to get Zimmerman arrested and charged. So much for a responsible news media that reports ONLY THE FACTS. I have yet to find any without an opinion against Zimmerman.

Oh, yeah, and the Congrssional Black Caucus (not unlike the Congrssional White Caucus/s) is pushing for Zimmerman’s head (without any facts as usual)!


73 posted on 03/20/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: muawiyah

The kid was casing houses for a later burglary if he really was looking into houses at night. That would be the best time to find houses with big HD TV’s which is what thieves want.


74 posted on 03/20/2012 8:20:01 PM PDT by lodi90
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http://www.insideedition.com/news/7865/more-insight-into-the-neighborhood-watch-member-that-shot-and-killed-an-unarmed-teen.aspx

The neighborhood crime watch volunteer who shot an unarmed teenager dead, made dozens of frivolous 911 calls in the months before the shooting.

46 calls were made over just 12 months and many were reportedly about black youths, who like Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman claimed were suspicious.

George Zimmerman: “There’s two suspicious characters that came to my neighborhood. I’ve no idea what they’re doing. They are just hanging out, loitering.”
911 operator: “Can you describe the two individuals?”
Zimmerman: “Two African-American males.”

Then this call:

Zimmerman: “This gentleman was walking in the neighborhood I’ve seen before on trash days, going around picking up trash. I don’t know what his deal is.”
911 operator: “White, Black or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “Black.”

No call was too trivial to make and police responded every time to the quiet gated community outside Orlando, Florida.

Zimmerman called 911 once and reported, “Somebody did leave their garage door open.”

He called another time and said, “The kids in the neighborhood have gotten accustomed to playing in the street. They play in the street and they just run out in front of cars.”

Chris Tutko is the National Sheriff’s Association’s Director of Neighborhood Watch. He said Zimmerman is a case study in what not to do.

INSIDE EDITION’s Paul Boyd asked Tutko, “George Zimmerman was making calls about garage doors being open or people loitering, what’s the threshold for calling law enforcement?”

Tutko responded, “This is a common sense organization. Common sense tells you if you call eight times and eight times they come and eight times they don’t have anything to do, what’s going to happen the ninth time?”

He also said that neighborhood watch volunteers should never be armed.

“I know of no neighborhood watch group that would allow a person to go out carrying a weapon,” said Tutko.

Meanwhile, Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend is coming forward. She says she was on the phone with him when he was first confronted by Zimmerman and she overheard what happened.

“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. Trayvon said, ‘What are you following me for?’ Then the man said, ‘What are you doing around here?’ Then somebody pushed Trayvon because the headset fell,” explained Martin’s girlfriend.

Sheryll Underwood wept on The Talk as the latest developments were discussed, and Aisha Tyler was forthright about what she believes happened.

“This is a guy who is waiting for crime at every corner. He is waiting to use his gun,” said Tyler.

With public outrage building, the lawyer for Trayvon Martin’s family is calling for George Zimmerman’s immediate arrest.

Martin’s lawyer said, “Arrest George Zimmerman for the killing of Trayvon Martin in cold blood, today!”


75 posted on 03/20/2012 8:20:26 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: muawiyah
And EARRINGS dude ~ he has earrings. That's just not normal

From his photo, it can only be said that he has an earring in his left ear.

That may only mean that he has rounded Cape Horn, eastabout, under sail.

76 posted on 03/20/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: muawiyah
Oh, no doubt. As the riots rip across Orlando, I'll be hearing all about the details.

Seriously. I'm really surprised that the police didn't take the guy to the local station and had a little Q&A. Just to cover their ass. Not only would it have justified their cool CSI equipment, it would justify purchasing new stuff if they didn't have any. But more so, look boys we have some extra overtime!

77 posted on 03/20/2012 8:23:18 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: marktwain

Keltec 9 (FP-9 and the -11 both have long creepy trigger pulls. Double action only with striker.

If you fire (as many as you want) and leave one in the chamber - then insert a new - and full magazine, you will the situation reported. Toss the ‘used’ mag into the bushes, trash, whatever.

Easy to to do if the cops aren’t looking real hard.


78 posted on 03/20/2012 8:24:12 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: marktwain

Also, who takes orders from a 911 operator?


79 posted on 03/20/2012 8:25:16 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: marktwain

Not knowing anything about a Kel Tel 9, but, assuming a semi-auto, there should have been another round in the chamber. Unless, it malfunctioned or he had only one round on an empty mag.


80 posted on 03/20/2012 8:26:28 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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