Posted on 03/20/2012 9:36:58 PM PDT by marktwain
My son is a clean cut white kid who wouldn’t hurt a flea, and he wears hoodies almost all the time between October and March here in Florida.
He wasn't CUTTING THROUGH. He was where he was supposed to be.
When you are INVITED IN they can't just shoot you! There's no "stand your ground" situation here except as it applies to Mr. Martin's right of self-defense.
NOTE: There are several stories from local Sanford sources that say the kid was staying in that gated community.
Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher TO NOT FOLLOW THE KID ~ he did anyway. And he got out of his car and approached him ~ TO WIT ~ he accosted him.
We have Martin's girlfriend on the other end of a cellphone call telling us what was happening and that's consistent with what the police tapes are telling us.
Doesn't matter if Martin knew Zimmerman was armed ~ just that he had a fear for his life. Read the statute on "stand your ground". Martin had every right to beat the cr*p out of Zimmerman if need be.
Remember, "stand your ground" applies to both these people, not just the guy with the gun!
Muawiyah, there’s no sense arguing with some of these idiots. They heard a kid wearing a hoodie cut through a neighborhood carrying some Skittles, so dammit - he deserved it! Facts and logic don’t seem to be entering into their conclusions about this case.
Martin was LAWFULLY walking to a house where he had a LAWFUL right to be, while LAWFULLY wearing a hoodie and LAWFULLY carrying some Skittles and tea that he had LAWFULLY purchased. when it started raining, he LAWFULLY put his hood up and started LAWFULLY running to get home faster. At some point, he became aware that Zimmerman was following him, and at some point a confrontation ensued, and Martin ends up dead. The information that has been made public so far indicates that Zimmerman was paranoid about black males in his neighborhood, rightly or wrongly, and that he was so determined to see “these guys” pay for their crimes that he was willing to ignore a police dispatcher’s urging not to follow Martin, who had done nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If he left his vehicle to chase Martin, as the 911 tapes indicate he did, then he placed Martin in a situation where Martin had a LAWFUL right to defend himself from Zimmerman, even up to the point of using deadly force to do so. If Zimmerman suffered injuries in an ensuing melee, then he deserved it, and it’s a pity for Martin’s sake that he wasn’t the one with the gun.
Phone logs will tell us that a call was made. Only the testimony of the parties to the call will tell us what they said, and testimony is sometimes lies or misrememberances.
Now THAT is really, really interesting. Who was wearing a “red sweater”, Trayvon or Zimmerman?
Approaching someone is accosting them, wow I did not know that. I guess the next time someone gets close to me on the sidewalk I can beat the snot out of them. Thanks for the legal advice.
All Martin, an invited guest of someone living at that townhouse development, needed was a belief that his life was in danger ........ Zimmerman needed a lot more than that. He's gonna' go down hard over this one.
Somebody was the first person to break the law. You have no way of knowing that it was Zimmerman.
Pretty doggone simple.
Pretty doggone simple.
Aren't both people involved Hispanic? Does anyone have statistics on how much Hispanic on Hispanic murder there is in the country? Any change the press mistakenly thought that 'Zimmerman' was a Jewish name?
He may have been 6’3, but he was built like spaghetti.
He was 140 lbs.
Must be very difficult being them in this case!
Some of them are probably wondering if Zimmerman had run out of dogs to shoot or something.
Must be very difficult being them in this case!
Some of them are probably wondering if Zimmerman had run out of dogs to shoot or something.
Aren't both people involved Hispanic? Does anyone have statistics on how much Hispanic on Hispanic murder there is in the country?
Any chance the press mistakenly thought that 'Zimmerman' was a Jewish name?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080
Whereas from his own statements to the police hotline, it can be seen that he has already left reasonable far behind.
1. Martin wasn't cutting through the community, he had a right to be there, despite The Z-Man's feelings.
Not buying the 140@6’3”. One of these things is not like the other.
Juan Williams was born in Panama, so he should be counted as “Hispanic.” He may not have a Spanish surname but he does have a Spanish first name.
Link? The ones I've seen all say that the Girlfriend lived "near" the Retreat.
Getting into a fight means nothing. Most youths, of all races, gets into at least one fight over the course of their schooling.
Most Freepers here advocate the willingness to fight, if you’re being picked on.
Maybe it’s not an agenda, but the simple truth.
Thanks for the advice, that happens to me all the time. People follow me and approach ggod to know that I can unload on them. Get real.
It's an alternate theory and equally as valid.
I have seen some people claim this but I think it is almost certainly not true. The 911 calls have been made public. If Zimmerman had made a racial slur this would be mentioned in the first paragraph of every story out there.
If they play up the Hispanic angle, that could cause Hispanics to rally to Zimmerman's side, especially any Hispanics who have anti-black attitudes. We could be heading for "mob justice" as activists whip up emotions because of Trayvon Martin's death--having two angry mobs confronting each other won't make things better.
You mean, other than beating the hell out of the Neighborhood Watch guy...
You say this as if the fight just happened. Somebody started the fight. Maybe it was Trayvon.
And why does a gated community have a neighborhood watch wandering about in the dark with guns? Don't they have a gate?
Do you see the problem here? Unless we visit the site via Google.Earth we don't know ~ I do, but you don't. Right now I'm trying to site the specific 7/11 he visited.
Watch how Zimmerman's location is always cited as "his neighborhood" ~ not a specific townhouse development but "neighborhood". Why is that? Doesn't he live there?
Really? Are you serious?
Kid is walking home with some skittles and tea, that he bought at local convenience store. There is nothing to suggest the kid was up to anything more than that.
Zimmerman notices the kid and phones the operator and tells the operator explicitly that he wasn’t going to let the kid get away and gets out of his vehicle to confront the kid.
And you still don’t know who likely attacked first?
The law defines first contact of any sort as attacking. So much as a touch on the body is defined as an attack. How many kids, when confronted by a man with a gun are going to throw the first punch?
The person iniating aggressive contact is always considered the attacker. It’s unlikely that an unarmed kid is going to be the one to initiate aggressive contact with somebody with a gun.
Many presume the law was written for the sole purpose of protecting gunowners from legal repercussions if they end up shooting some bad guy. Actually, this law protects unarmed victims from guys with guns as well. They don't have to stand there and take it. If they feel in fear for their lives they can mount a resistance using any means feasible.
That much is obvious. What is less obvious is why you have so much faith that the MSM is objective, accurate, and unbiased. This, despite the decades of evidence to the contrary...
Unless Zimmerman was carrying it in a hip holster, it's unlikely the yute knew he had a gun.
That’s right, he has a right to watch. That’s what security guards do, observe and report.
He was told to stand down and not do anything else beyond that. He choose to confront the perp anyway.
There is no credible defense in this situation.
Is this the new modus in the US
The Justice Dept doesn’t like how a case is resolved so they step in.
Nuts...birthed in the 50s and 60s and now the Holder gang is making hay of it.
man what a mess
“If you get out of that car and approach me ~ that’s all I need. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS getting inside my comfort zone.”
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This whole thing seems to be very emotional for you. Perhaps I’m misreading this but, if what you’re inferring is that if someone on a neighborhood watch is following you then you will physically attack that person if they “get in your comfort zone”, you might want to consider whether an “anger management” course could be helpful.
I think very few folks here are defending the entirety of Zimmerman’s actions—he clearly displayed bad judgement and immaturity. His actions are troubling to me. As for me, I’m waiting for all the facts to come out before I render final judgment on this.
You skipped some steps, Ace.
Well, that whole getting the crap kicked out of him thing might be a defense. Especially if you look at his narrative, listen to the released 911 tapes, and take into account the defensive wounds Zimmerman reportedly suffered.
Or... You can just take the MSM/CBC narrative and stick to it despite any contradictory witness info...
You can reject the whole internet if you want, because that’s what every site is saying. If you look at the kid’s pictures, it’s well apparent that he’s not a well-muscled 250 lb person or something.
Wearing hoodies puts out an image...I have a bunch of boys too
I don’t allow it in my presence unless...as in this case it’s for a reason like very cold or rain
I’m sure your son is great...it’s not against him
but a hoodie pulled up is straight gangsta style for an image to project something
it gives the wrong impression like tattoo sleeves or neck ink
i don’t allow hip hop either...no way
No we do not have every reason to believe this. Zimmerman is apparently claiming that Martin attacked him. This is a reason to believe that perhaps Martin broke the law.
You mean all of those news sights with the same AP story on it? Or that kids picture from 4 years ago when he was 13?
Rumor has it that aging four years and growing to a height of 6' 3" will change a person...
Or course, if the rest of the Internet has evidence to the contrary I'm willing to review the data...
Maybe, maybe not. How do you know?
You mean the armed, heavy-set man who did not identify himself as the Neighbourhood watch guy, but walked up to a teen, armed with Skittles and tea, aggressively demanding the whyabouts as to why the teen was lawfully carrying about his business?
That Neighbourhood Watch guy?
Zimmerman initiated contact, in an aggressive manner. The teen likely, and had reason to, thought his life was in danger. He had every reason to fight under the assumption his life was in danger.
I would to, under the known circumstances, and so would you as it would be very stupid to not do.
Physically attacking someone is illegal and that means something.
Then again...
Maybe you were there and saw the whole thing. We'll just go by what you present as facts. The heck with anything that doesn't fit your narrative.
You do not know how Zimmerman acted toward Martin or what he said to him after he got out of his car.
You claim otherwise because you are a liar.
If somebody, for reasons that are completely unknown to me, came up to me and started hassling as for my reasons for being, I am going to assume possible danger to my well-being. I think most rational people would assume it to be a distinct possibility.
I’m not inclined to stand around and have a rational conversation with a person who isn’t acting rational.
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