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Trayvon Martin's Shooter Defended By Fellow Neighborhood Watch Captain
nbcmiami.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Jeff Burnside

Posted on 03/20/2012 9:36:58 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: ZX12R

My son is a clean cut white kid who wouldn’t hurt a flea, and he wears hoodies almost all the time between October and March here in Florida.


101 posted on 03/21/2012 7:33:43 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The Retreat at Twin Lakes is the gated community. Young Martin was there at his father's girlfriend's house ~ according to the news.

He wasn't CUTTING THROUGH. He was where he was supposed to be.

When you are INVITED IN they can't just shoot you! There's no "stand your ground" situation here except as it applies to Mr. Martin's right of self-defense.

NOTE: There are several stories from local Sanford sources that say the kid was staying in that gated community.

102 posted on 03/21/2012 7:38:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Durus
Read the story on the Christian Science Monitor ~ play the tapes the cops have already released.

Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher TO NOT FOLLOW THE KID ~ he did anyway. And he got out of his car and approached him ~ TO WIT ~ he accosted him.

We have Martin's girlfriend on the other end of a cellphone call telling us what was happening and that's consistent with what the police tapes are telling us.

Doesn't matter if Martin knew Zimmerman was armed ~ just that he had a fear for his life. Read the statute on "stand your ground". Martin had every right to beat the cr*p out of Zimmerman if need be.

Remember, "stand your ground" applies to both these people, not just the guy with the gun!

103 posted on 03/21/2012 7:50:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Muawiyah, there’s no sense arguing with some of these idiots. They heard a kid wearing a hoodie cut through a neighborhood carrying some Skittles, so dammit - he deserved it! Facts and logic don’t seem to be entering into their conclusions about this case.

Martin was LAWFULLY walking to a house where he had a LAWFUL right to be, while LAWFULLY wearing a hoodie and LAWFULLY carrying some Skittles and tea that he had LAWFULLY purchased. when it started raining, he LAWFULLY put his hood up and started LAWFULLY running to get home faster. At some point, he became aware that Zimmerman was following him, and at some point a confrontation ensued, and Martin ends up dead. The information that has been made public so far indicates that Zimmerman was paranoid about black males in his neighborhood, rightly or wrongly, and that he was so determined to see “these guys” pay for their crimes that he was willing to ignore a police dispatcher’s urging not to follow Martin, who had done nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If he left his vehicle to chase Martin, as the 911 tapes indicate he did, then he placed Martin in a situation where Martin had a LAWFUL right to defend himself from Zimmerman, even up to the point of using deadly force to do so. If Zimmerman suffered injuries in an ensuing melee, then he deserved it, and it’s a pity for Martin’s sake that he wasn’t the one with the gun.


104 posted on 03/21/2012 7:56:19 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Yup. If there are phone logs, a lot of this will be cleared up soon.

Phone logs will tell us that a call was made. Only the testimony of the parties to the call will tell us what they said, and testimony is sometimes lies or misrememberances.

105 posted on 03/21/2012 7:56:32 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Altura Ct.

Now THAT is really, really interesting. Who was wearing a “red sweater”, Trayvon or Zimmerman?


106 posted on 03/21/2012 7:57:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: muawiyah
And he got out of his car and approached him ~ TO WIT ~ he accosted him.

Approaching someone is accosting them, wow I did not know that. I guess the next time someone gets close to me on the sidewalk I can beat the snot out of them. Thanks for the legal advice.

107 posted on 03/21/2012 7:58:37 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
Someone you don't know who's been following you, and then they stop, get out and approach you purposefully ~ yeah, they're accosting you ~ and if you were deaf, like Rush Limbaugh, you'd know all about it.

All Martin, an invited guest of someone living at that townhouse development, needed was a belief that his life was in danger ........ Zimmerman needed a lot more than that. He's gonna' go down hard over this one.

108 posted on 03/21/2012 8:01:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bizhvywt
Zimmerman is the one that started this deadly chain of events. Trayvon was obviously defending himself from Zimmerman.

Somebody was the first person to break the law. You have no way of knowing that it was Zimmerman.

109 posted on 03/21/2012 8:01:40 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
We have every reason to believe that Martin broke no laws at all. He's dead. Zimmerman shot him. We believe that Zimmerman broke the law when he shot Martin.

Pretty doggone simple.

110 posted on 03/21/2012 8:04:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
We have every reason to believe that Martin broke no laws at all. He's dead. Zimmerman shot him. We believe that Zimmerman broke the law when he shot Martin.

Pretty doggone simple.

111 posted on 03/21/2012 8:04:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain
Twin Lakes’ population is ethnically mixed.

Aren't both people involved Hispanic? Does anyone have statistics on how much Hispanic on Hispanic murder there is in the country? Any change the press mistakenly thought that 'Zimmerman' was a Jewish name?

112 posted on 03/21/2012 8:08:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: marktwain

He may have been 6’3, but he was built like spaghetti.

He was 140 lbs.


113 posted on 03/21/2012 8:09:01 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: RightFighter
We do have some folks quite frustrated that Zimmerman wasn't a cop. They very much want him to be one so they can argue how hard and dangerous a cops life is and he has to make split second decisions, etc.

Must be very difficult being them in this case!

Some of them are probably wondering if Zimmerman had run out of dogs to shoot or something.

114 posted on 03/21/2012 8:09:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RightFighter
We do have some folks quite frustrated that Zimmerman wasn't a cop. They very much want him to be one so they can argue how hard and dangerous a cops life is and he has to make split second decisions, etc.

Must be very difficult being them in this case!

Some of them are probably wondering if Zimmerman had run out of dogs to shoot or something.

115 posted on 03/21/2012 8:09:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain
Twin Lakes’ population is ethnically mixed.

Aren't both people involved Hispanic? Does anyone have statistics on how much Hispanic on Hispanic murder there is in the country?

Any chance the press mistakenly thought that 'Zimmerman' was a Jewish name?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080

116 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Dead Corpse
It's interesting that you have to invent a lot of assumptions to make Zimmerman's position even excusable.

Whereas from his own statements to the police hotline, it can be seen that he has already left reasonable far behind.

1. Martin wasn't cutting through the community, he had a right to be there, despite The Z-Man's feelings.

117 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Jonty30

Not buying the 140@6’3”. One of these things is not like the other.


118 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: muawiyah

Juan Williams was born in Panama, so he should be counted as “Hispanic.” He may not have a Spanish surname but he does have a Spanish first name.


119 posted on 03/21/2012 8:12:09 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: muawiyah
There are several stories from local Sanford sources that say the kid was staying in that gated community.

Link? The ones I've seen all say that the Girlfriend lived "near" the Retreat.

120 posted on 03/21/2012 8:12:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: CurlyDave

Getting into a fight means nothing. Most youths, of all races, gets into at least one fight over the course of their schooling.

Most Freepers here advocate the willingness to fight, if you’re being picked on.


121 posted on 03/21/2012 8:12:21 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: House Atreides

Maybe it’s not an agenda, but the simple truth.


122 posted on 03/21/2012 8:13:47 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: muawiyah

Thanks for the advice, that happens to me all the time. People follow me and approach ggod to know that I can unload on them. Get real.


123 posted on 03/21/2012 8:14:44 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Oztrich Boy
I'm not inventing anything. You and a couple others are taking the Al Sharpton/MSM narrative and running with it. I'm just presenting the facts as I've gleaned them so far from what police, Zimmerman, and the 911 tapes present.

It's an alternate theory and equally as valid.

124 posted on 03/21/2012 8:16:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Indie12
Apparently, on one of the 911 calls, Zimmerman is heard using a racial slur.

I have seen some people claim this but I think it is almost certainly not true. The 911 calls have been made public. If Zimmerman had made a racial slur this would be mentioned in the first paragraph of every story out there.

125 posted on 03/21/2012 8:18:25 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Dead Corpse
The media wants Zimmerman to be considered "white" because it gives them a chance to focus on their favorite topic, white racism in America.

If they play up the Hispanic angle, that could cause Hispanics to rally to Zimmerman's side, especially any Hispanics who have anti-black attitudes. We could be heading for "mob justice" as activists whip up emotions because of Trayvon Martin's death--having two angry mobs confronting each other won't make things better.

126 posted on 03/21/2012 8:18:41 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: muawiyah
We have every reason to believe that Martin broke no laws at all.

You mean, other than beating the hell out of the Neighborhood Watch guy...

127 posted on 03/21/2012 8:20:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: aruanan
...get into a fight...

You say this as if the fight just happened. Somebody started the fight. Maybe it was Trayvon.

128 posted on 03/21/2012 8:20:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm just going from a number of MSM reports. The site where he was shot is on a video on the net. Doesn't look terribly well gated, so how did he get to that spot?

And why does a gated community have a neighborhood watch wandering about in the dark with guns? Don't they have a gate?

Do you see the problem here? Unless we visit the site via Google.Earth we don't know ~ I do, but you don't. Right now I'm trying to site the specific 7/11 he visited.

Watch how Zimmerman's location is always cited as "his neighborhood" ~ not a specific townhouse development but "neighborhood". Why is that? Doesn't he live there?

129 posted on 03/21/2012 8:22:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83

Really? Are you serious?

Kid is walking home with some skittles and tea, that he bought at local convenience store. There is nothing to suggest the kid was up to anything more than that.

Zimmerman notices the kid and phones the operator and tells the operator explicitly that he wasn’t going to let the kid get away and gets out of his vehicle to confront the kid.

And you still don’t know who likely attacked first?

The law defines first contact of any sort as attacking. So much as a touch on the body is defined as an attack. How many kids, when confronted by a man with a gun are going to throw the first punch?


130 posted on 03/21/2012 8:22:02 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Ratman83

The person iniating aggressive contact is always considered the attacker. It’s unlikely that an unarmed kid is going to be the one to initiate aggressive contact with somebody with a gun.


131 posted on 03/21/2012 8:24:48 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30
Florida's "stand your ground" law does not require a touch ~ Martin was free to begin his self defense when he saw Zimmerman striding toward him ~ provided he had a fear for his life.

Many presume the law was written for the sole purpose of protecting gunowners from legal repercussions if they end up shooting some bad guy. Actually, this law protects unarmed victims from guys with guns as well. They don't have to stand there and take it. If they feel in fear for their lives they can mount a resistance using any means feasible.

132 posted on 03/21/2012 8:26:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I'm just going from a number of MSM reports.

That much is obvious. What is less obvious is why you have so much faith that the MSM is objective, accurate, and unbiased. This, despite the decades of evidence to the contrary...

133 posted on 03/21/2012 8:26:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Jonty30
It’s unlikely that an unarmed kid is going to be the one to initiate aggressive contact with somebody with a gun.

Unless Zimmerman was carrying it in a hip holster, it's unlikely the yute knew he had a gun.

134 posted on 03/21/2012 8:27:39 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Durus

That’s right, he has a right to watch. That’s what security guards do, observe and report.

He was told to stand down and not do anything else beyond that. He choose to confront the perp anyway.

There is no credible defense in this situation.


135 posted on 03/21/2012 8:28:07 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: NoLibZone

Is this the new modus in the US

The Justice Dept doesn’t like how a case is resolved so they step in.

Nuts...birthed in the 50s and 60s and now the Holder gang is making hay of it.

man what a mess


136 posted on 03/21/2012 8:28:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: muawiyah

“If you get out of that car and approach me ~ that’s all I need. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS getting inside my comfort zone.”
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This whole thing seems to be very emotional for you. Perhaps I’m misreading this but, if what you’re inferring is that if someone on a neighborhood watch is following you then you will physically attack that person if they “get in your comfort zone”, you might want to consider whether an “anger management” course could be helpful.

I think very few folks here are defending the entirety of Zimmerman’s actions—he clearly displayed bad judgement and immaturity. His actions are troubling to me. As for me, I’m waiting for all the facts to come out before I render final judgment on this.


137 posted on 03/21/2012 8:29:36 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: muawiyah
he was following the guy around. He then shot him.

You skipped some steps, Ace.

138 posted on 03/21/2012 8:30:08 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jonty30
There is no credible defense in this situation.

Well, that whole getting the crap kicked out of him thing might be a defense. Especially if you look at his narrative, listen to the released 911 tapes, and take into account the defensive wounds Zimmerman reportedly suffered.

Or... You can just take the MSM/CBC narrative and stick to it despite any contradictory witness info...

139 posted on 03/21/2012 8:36:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: AppyPappy

You can reject the whole internet if you want, because that’s what every site is saying. If you look at the kid’s pictures, it’s well apparent that he’s not a well-muscled 250 lb person or something.


140 posted on 03/21/2012 8:37:24 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: RightFighter

Wearing hoodies puts out an image...I have a bunch of boys too

I don’t allow it in my presence unless...as in this case it’s for a reason like very cold or rain

I’m sure your son is great...it’s not against him

but a hoodie pulled up is straight gangsta style for an image to project something

it gives the wrong impression like tattoo sleeves or neck ink

i don’t allow hip hop either...no way


141 posted on 03/21/2012 8:37:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: muawiyah
We have every reason to believe that Martin broke no laws at all.

No we do not have every reason to believe this. Zimmerman is apparently claiming that Martin attacked him. This is a reason to believe that perhaps Martin broke the law.

142 posted on 03/21/2012 8:39:52 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jonty30
...because that’s what every site is saying.

You mean all of those news sights with the same AP story on it? Or that kids picture from 4 years ago when he was 13?

Rumor has it that aging four years and growing to a height of 6' 3" will change a person...

Or course, if the rest of the Internet has evidence to the contrary I'm willing to review the data...

143 posted on 03/21/2012 8:40:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Jonty30
He was 140 lbs.

Maybe, maybe not. How do you know?

144 posted on 03/21/2012 8:41:16 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Dead Corpse

You mean the armed, heavy-set man who did not identify himself as the Neighbourhood watch guy, but walked up to a teen, armed with Skittles and tea, aggressively demanding the whyabouts as to why the teen was lawfully carrying about his business?

That Neighbourhood Watch guy?


145 posted on 03/21/2012 8:41:35 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: rogue yam

Zimmerman initiated contact, in an aggressive manner. The teen likely, and had reason to, thought his life was in danger. He had every reason to fight under the assumption his life was in danger.

I would to, under the known circumstances, and so would you as it would be very stupid to not do.


146 posted on 03/21/2012 8:43:40 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30
Getting into a fight means nothing.

Physically attacking someone is illegal and that means something.

147 posted on 03/21/2012 8:45:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jonty30
Actually, from listening to the 911 tapes, he yelled out the window to the kid who then took off running. While trying to figure out which cross street he was on to relay the info to police Dispatch, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle. This is when he got attacked...

Then again...

Maybe you were there and saw the whole thing. We'll just go by what you present as facts. The heck with anything that doesn't fit your narrative.

148 posted on 03/21/2012 8:46:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Jonty30

You do not know how Zimmerman acted toward Martin or what he said to him after he got out of his car.

You claim otherwise because you are a liar.


149 posted on 03/21/2012 8:48:31 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Future Snake Eater

If somebody, for reasons that are completely unknown to me, came up to me and started hassling as for my reasons for being, I am going to assume possible danger to my well-being. I think most rational people would assume it to be a distinct possibility.

I’m not inclined to stand around and have a rational conversation with a person who isn’t acting rational.


150 posted on 03/21/2012 8:51:15 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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