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Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)
Charleston Conservative Examiner ^ | 21 March, 2012 | Kyle Rogers

Posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by marktwain

Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.

So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?

Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2” football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; lies; politicalcorrectness; propaganda; shooting; trayvonmartin
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To: djf

Not self appointed, elected watch captain by the neighborhood watch.


151 posted on 03/22/2012 10:34:43 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
He placed himself and his weapon into a situation wherein the use of deadly force was a real possibility.

I have taken 4 concealed carry classes in various states and they ALL said that if you seek out the confrontation in the first place then you likely can't claim self defense. Anyone can go around with a concealed gun and provoke people into punching them. That is not self defense. It might not be premeditated murder but it is closer to that than it is to self defense.
152 posted on 03/22/2012 10:41:01 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Deo volente
I am shocked. Shocked I say by your alarming report!

I shall call the Reverend Al Sharpton immediately and he will be in Tulsa on the next plane. Do not worry. Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, and President Barack Hussein Obama will fight hate crimes no matter who is the perpetrator.

Please call me as soon as the Reverend Al and the other two gentlemen arrive in your community. Perhaps these outstanding public servants were busy comforting those who suffered tragic loss in the recent spate of Tornados?

Yes. That's it. They were busy.

153 posted on 03/22/2012 10:48:10 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: wtc911

Yep - I hit the “abuse” button as soon as I saw it, needed to alert AdminMod that it could cause a lot of trouble for FR. I see that it’s been deleted, as well it shouldl be.


154 posted on 03/22/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: CodeToad
It does not give you license to pursue and engage suspicious persons walking down a public street.

One of the first things they teach you about concealed carry is you do NOT do anything with a gun that you would not to without it. You don't follow strange men. you don't pick fights. You don't do anything you would avoid doing unarmed. If you do then you open yourself up to prosecution. If I am unarmed and pick a fight with someone that can beat me everyone would call that stupid. If I am ARMED and do that then that might be murder. It is just too darn easy to get in a fight and then blow someone away.
155 posted on 03/22/2012 10:50:55 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: aruanan
I think there's a reason Zimmerman has not been arrested. Probably another 'beat down' of a whitey that turned out not to have the desired ending.
156 posted on 03/22/2012 10:57:48 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: cport
Not self appointed, elected watch captain by the neighborhood watch.

The role of neighborhood watch is not to confront people. He added that himself. The watch is about watching and reporting. Nothing else. There is no armed patroling or confronting suspects.
157 posted on 03/22/2012 11:00:31 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: patriot08
I think there's a reason Zimmerman has not been arrested. Probably another 'beat down' of a whitey that turned out not to have the desired ending.

It is pretty disturbing how many here are quick to ascribe racism to the guy that got shot when the OTHER guy was recorded on a 911 call to use racial slurs right before he went and started confronted the guy and then shot him.
158 posted on 03/22/2012 11:04:27 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

“the OTHER guy was recorded on a 911 call to use racial slurs “

Wrong.


159 posted on 03/22/2012 11:08:39 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: saleman

Go look again.


160 posted on 03/22/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
There is no evidence that he confronted him. There is evidence, however, that he watched him. If you have seen a photo of the complex, it is a gated condo community, with the condo buildings in parallel with each other not on the street. So, if Martin had walked off the sidewalk and around the corner between the condos, then Zimmerman would have had to get out to further WATCH him and relay direction of travel and further info to the dispatcher.

No where in the call (not a 911 call, but a non-emergency number,which is what you are supposed to use when reporting suspicious activity) is it audible that Zimmerman says anyhting (confronts) Martin. Also, no evidence that he was brandishing his weapon. Finally, there are no statutes that state someone with a legal CWP can not be a patrolling member of a neighborhood watch, that would be unconstitutional. But then, as others have stated, getting rid of concealed carry is more than likely the ultimate agenda of the MSM et al.

161 posted on 03/22/2012 11:20:03 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Ratman83
Following someone is not a threat and being followed does not allow someone to attack. If you really believe it does then you should go home and cower under you bed.

Ok. So wait till the person has his hands on you. Smart advice.

162 posted on 03/22/2012 11:27:10 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: TalonDJ

Go look again? How in the hell can you “look” at a recording?

I heard the 911 tapes that were released. And there were no racial slurs used by Zimmerman. If you have links to the recording that shows a slur being used then please provide a link.


163 posted on 03/22/2012 11:33:33 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: TalonDJ

“If you do then you open yourself up to prosecution. “

“It is just too darn easy to get in a fight and then blow someone away.”

Name the times that happened. This is all urban legend passed on from one ignorant person to another. That is what liberals claim will happen with concealed carry: People will just get into traffic accidents and bar brawls and shoot each other. That hasn’t happened.


164 posted on 03/22/2012 11:36:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Yes the Jungle drums are going to put a lot of pressure on the DA to do something. It just probably won’t go anywhere. I can’t see a jury of 12 convicting a guy who was on the ground yelling for help of murder. The family will go after him civilly.


165 posted on 03/22/2012 11:39:05 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TalonDJ

We don’t know the facts- only the stories the lib rats have put out.
I still say there a reason Zimmerman was not arrested.


166 posted on 03/22/2012 11:41:09 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: TalonDJ

“the OTHER guy was recorded on a 911 call to use racial slurs “

Liar.


167 posted on 03/22/2012 11:43:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: justice14

Whine.


168 posted on 03/22/2012 11:45:35 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: CodeToad

Don’t call him a liar.

He’s just confused by the MSM propaganda.

And the propaganda put out by many of the members here


169 posted on 03/22/2012 11:46:21 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Little Ray
BTW: Did this Trayvon fellow have a prior record?

He was a minor, so who knows? NBC did manage to find out that Zimmerman had a domestic in his past.

170 posted on 03/22/2012 11:52:00 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Inspectorette; wtc911

Good catch.


171 posted on 03/22/2012 11:57:24 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: arbooz

>>”We want justice so bad we are willing to ignore the law.”
>
>There is a railroad being built real fast for Zimmerman.

No kidding.
But the sentiment in the first sentence COULD actually be a good [righteous] one, consider the numerous “laws” which exist only to 1) entrap, and b) deprive of rights. (Prime example being the “[ex-]felons can’t have guns” ‘law’.)


172 posted on 03/22/2012 11:59:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CodeToad

I can’t quite make out what he says...f**king ???? and I’m not even certain it is directed at or about the kid/suspect.

It could be *f’ing *whatever that was hindering his following the guy. It just isn’t clear to me. If I had heels on I might say f’ing shoes!

I would find it odd that some kid with hand in his pants walking around looking in places while it is RAINING. Then the kid starts running. I would have reported that myself.

Here is the link and it is at the 2:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jL72w4xiTVU#!

I don’t know what happened here but I do know it won’t be solved on the internet or in the media. It is for a court of law to decide.


173 posted on 03/22/2012 11:59:27 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: ZX12R
HELTER SKELTER...from The WHITE Album, of course.
174 posted on 03/22/2012 12:02:24 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Irenic
I don’t know what happened here but I do know it won’t be solved on the internet or in the media. It is for a court of law to decide.

You are exactly correct. I think a lot of this is to get us used to the rule of the mob, as stirred up by the MSM, instead of the rule of law.

175 posted on 03/22/2012 12:06:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: saleman

“And the propaganda put out by many of the members here”

Sad to say.


176 posted on 03/22/2012 12:13:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; All
If he was afraid of Zimmerman, why didn't he just go inside? I believe Florida has a law which covers that situation.

You are correct, of course.

What I was trying to show, was that if Trayvon Martin was afraid of George Zimmerman, he could have avoided him by simply going inside. Both of them had every right to be where they were. Neither was obligated to go anywhere.

The question, which the Martin partisans are trying to define as irrelevant, is: Who started the physical altercation, or Who attacked who?

177 posted on 03/22/2012 12:17:35 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Ratman83
Whine.

Cool. Well that tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

178 posted on 03/22/2012 12:20:20 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: patriot08

“George Zimmerman actually caught one thief and aided in the apprehension of other criminals.”

Trayvon Martin was not a thief and was not a criminal. He wasn’t even trespassing. Zimmerman forced this situation. If some fat loser was chasing my son at night in the rain I would want him to “stand his ground” if necessary and defend himself. If Trayvon was sucessfully defending himself that does not excuse Zimmerman shooting him. Zimmerman does not have the stand your ground defense in this stituation.


179 posted on 03/22/2012 12:25:51 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Bizhvywt

Again, there is no evidence that he was being chased. Watched,yes, chased no. He isn’t out of breath in the dispatcher tape.


180 posted on 03/22/2012 12:27:45 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: marktwain
Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.

Gee, I don't know.

181 posted on 03/22/2012 12:30:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bizhvywt
Trayvon Martin was not a thief and was not a criminal. He wasn’t even trespassing. Zimmerman forced this situation. If some fat loser was chasing my son at night in the rain I would want him to “stand his ground” if necessary and defend himself. If Trayvon was sucessfully defending himself that does not excuse Zimmerman shooting him. Zimmerman does not have the stand your ground defense in this stituation.

Nice rant. Too bad you have no idea if any of that is what actually happened.
182 posted on 03/22/2012 12:31:42 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: justice14

Make a wisecrack comment get one back.


183 posted on 03/22/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

“There was an investigation conducted, the DA’s office opined that it was a justifiable shooting of self-defense.”

Anyone know the name and politics of this DA? It’s possible that he’s a liberal that blamed the Stand Your Ground Law for his inaction on purpose, to create an issue and get the law changed.


184 posted on 03/22/2012 12:33:55 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: saleman
If you have links to the recording that shows a slur being used then please provide a link.

Said under his breath right before the point where the dispatcher asks if Zimmerman is following, he says "Yes", and the dispatcher replies, "OK, we don't need you to do that."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI5CA5jijw&t=111

What do you think he said? How many times will the jury replay it?


185 posted on 03/22/2012 12:34:44 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: TalonDJ

I agree with all . Zimmerman says on the tape the guy is up to no good, he might be on drugs, he is criminally motivated by looking at houses, he is reaching for a weapon in his waistband. This was a highly dangerous person to follow and ask questions to and Zimmerman by his own choice wants a piece of this action. No sane person would follow a person on drugs, who he thinks has a weapon unless he wants something bad to happen.


186 posted on 03/22/2012 12:36:24 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: gundog
HELTER SKELTER...from The WHITE Album, of course.

LOL! Indeed.
187 posted on 03/22/2012 12:43:44 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: cynwoody

“I said ‘f-——g Kohn’ because I had just thought of a column by the Washington Post writer that I disagreed with”


188 posted on 03/22/2012 12:45:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: cynwoody

I don’t know what he said there. It was kinda garbled don’t you think. I guess some folks will hear what they want to hear.

What about the screaming? Folks are making a huge deal about the screams for help. Only problem is, the screams aren’t from Martin. Or rather, what does it mean if it turns out to be Zimmerman? Mom said it was the kid. I saw the inverview on TV.

If it was Zimmerman (and I believe it was) then what does that lead you to believe?

Also, the comments on youtube are quite revealing. Most of the commenters apparently don’t know that Zimmerman was not white. Reckon why that is?


189 posted on 03/22/2012 12:50:52 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Ratman83

And your “wisecrack” comment is “whine”? And how is wondering when it’s ok to fight back a wise crack comment?


190 posted on 03/22/2012 12:50:56 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: snowstorm12
No sane person would follow a person on drugs, who he thinks has a weapon unless he wants something bad to happen.

Or unless he is willing to put himself in harms way to prevent harm to others who have put their confidence in him as Neighborhood Watch.

191 posted on 03/22/2012 12:51:00 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: marktwain
Yep. The 4th Estate/5th Column folks have been busy. Even up to and including "it isn't the veracity of the claims, but the seriousness of the charges". Not to mention "fake, but accurate".

Get the herd moving fast enough in the right direction and you can use them to stampede your enemies...

192 posted on 03/22/2012 12:54:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: justice14
Ok. So wait till the person has his hands on you. Smart advice. Wisecrack
193 posted on 03/22/2012 12:55:01 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: saleman
If it was Zimmerman (and I believe it was) then what does that lead you to believe?

If you pick a fight with somebody and then shoot him when you find yourself unexpectedly losing, you don't get to claim self-defense. Especially if the other guy is armed with a bag of Skittles.

Of course, we still don't know exactly what happened. E.g., maybe Zimmerman just questioned Martin, and Martin flew off the handle and jumped him. Then the case for self-defense would be much stronger. But if Zimmerman laid a hand first, he's toast.

194 posted on 03/22/2012 1:02:56 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Dead Corpse

The cops were on their way and they would be there in minutes. That’s a policeman’s job. He has no authority. They wanted him to meet them at the gate so they can check things out with a marked policeman. There was no immediate crime or crisis. only in Zimmerman’s warped imagination.


195 posted on 03/22/2012 1:05:55 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: cynwoody
Of course, we still don't know exactly what happened. E.g., maybe Zimmerman just questioned Martin, and Martin flew off the handle and jumped him. Then the case for self-defense would be much stronger. But if Zimmerman laid a hand first, he's toast.

Very good. You see the issues clearly.

George Zimmerman is under a legal impediment in this trial by media. He has likely been warned not to make any public statements, because he is still under investigation.

Add to that the obvious MSM delight in pushing the race card, and you have one side getting 99 percent of the attention.

196 posted on 03/22/2012 1:10:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Ratman83

Dear goodness really? “hide under your covers” Wisecrak... Just answer the question.


197 posted on 03/22/2012 1:10:29 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: TheGrimReaper; SeaDragon

Amazing what facts didn’t make it to the al sharpton club of “blame it on whitey”.


198 posted on 03/22/2012 1:10:48 PM PDT by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: marktwain
"you have one side getting 99 percent of the attention."

______________________________

Of course the other side is 100% dead.

199 posted on 03/22/2012 1:12:42 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: snowstorm12
Zimmerman had a long running past association working with the local PD. He is a known quantity. As are police response times.

A witness stated that Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck when Trayvon jumped him.

I'd say that is really damn "immediate".

200 posted on 03/22/2012 1:15:12 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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