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Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)
Charleston Conservative Examiner ^ | 21 March, 2012 | Kyle Rogers

Posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by marktwain

Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.

So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?

Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2” football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; lies; politicalcorrectness; propaganda; shooting; trayvonmartin
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To: cynwoody

I’m not the one making a big deal out of the screaming. The folks who want to lynch Zimmerman are. Have you looked at the videos and comments on youtube? The comments are rather....disturbing. “They killed Trevon”, “he’s screaming for help and then he gets shot”. Mom even said that is him screaming.

Now, my point being, if that is not Martin, then what agenda is being advanced here? And why?

I don’t have a dog in this hunt. It doesn’t really matter to me one way or another what happened. It’s just kinda suspicious that this is getting the play that it is. And when I see people jumping to all kind of conclusions, convicting a guy who even the police and DA don’t think needs to be arrested, it gets me to wondering...


201 posted on 03/22/2012 1:16:10 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: wtc911

Don’t pick a fight with guys that might be carrying. Easy calculus.


202 posted on 03/22/2012 1:17:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse
A witness stated that Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck when Trayvon jumped him.

In a way, that may be correct, but I have only read that it was claimed by George Zimmerman.

He is the only surviving witness to much of the altercation.

If you found an account where a witness other than George Zimmerman said this, please provide a link.

Everything anyone says who is trying to bring some sanity to this media lynching is subjected to serious scrutiny, so we have to be very precise.

203 posted on 03/22/2012 1:19:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; All

They just said on CNN that they would seek out the DOJ to declare this a ‘hate crime’ to obtain a conviction.

Ok, then the case of the elderly couple being tortured, beaten, robbed and raped during a home invasion by blacks just the other day in OK should also be a hate crime.

.

There’s a lot more here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with BB gun?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

Reminds me of the Christian/Newsom masacre.

A young white couple was kidnapped by a gang of 5 blacks, raped, and tortured for two days before they were cut up, burned and tossed away in garbage bags.
This was covered up by the MSM.
They refused to declare it a ‘hate crime’.
Most of them got away with sentences lighter than called for.

http://sullivan-county.com/wcva/jl.htm


204 posted on 03/22/2012 1:22:52 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: marktwain

It’s so confusing. When a near-white community watcher murders an unarmed black boy using a firearm (aren’t we all for firearms?!) the victim’s side of the story, as much as we can make it out, is “MSM propaganda”, but when we read from the same source about a female teacher having sex with a 17 year old boy, it’s the God’s truth!


205 posted on 03/22/2012 1:24:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: CSM

Self ping for later read.


206 posted on 03/22/2012 1:24:53 PM PDT by CSM
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To: All

Correction; massacre


207 posted on 03/22/2012 1:27:28 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Dead Corpse
A witness stated that Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck when Trayvon jumped him.

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Link please to a reliable source....because, frankly, I bet you can't.

208 posted on 03/22/2012 1:27:43 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Revolting cat!

“When a near-white community watcher”

I swear to God I’m in the twilight zone. Every time I think I’m done with this thread some more mis-informantion pops up.

THE DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT MAJORITY WHITE!!!


209 posted on 03/22/2012 1:29:19 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: marktwain

There is a very telling part in the call when the dispatcher asks for his address, and Zimmerman states he doesn’t want to give that info because, “I don’t know where this kid is”. If at that point in the tape,after Martin ran and the dispatcher told Zimmerman to go back to the truck to meet the police, he obviously could not have been chasing Martin.


210 posted on 03/22/2012 1:30:12 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Dead Corpse
Don’t pick a fight with guys that might be carrying. Easy calculus.

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Don't be a black guy walking home through George Zimmerman's neighborhood...that'll get you killed.

211 posted on 03/22/2012 1:30:21 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: saleman

Who’s talking about the community? I was talking about community watcher Zimmerman. Return to your twilight zone.


212 posted on 03/22/2012 1:31:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

My bad.

I guess this is the first time I have ever heard of a person described as “near white”.

You use that phrase often?


213 posted on 03/22/2012 1:35:36 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Revolting cat!
When a near-white community watcher murders an unarmed black boy using a firearm (aren’t we all for firearms?!)

This sentence shows that you are not looking at this story with an open mind.

214 posted on 03/22/2012 1:38:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: saleman

Is it not interesting how the story link below was totally ignored by State Run media — it is all about the color of the victims and the color of the perp in the lame stream media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom


215 posted on 03/22/2012 1:39:06 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: saleman

First time, since I didn’t know how to describe him. Latino Jew?


216 posted on 03/22/2012 1:39:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

His family describes him as Hispanic


217 posted on 03/22/2012 1:45:49 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: marktwain
you are not looking at this story with an open mind.

I'm a bad person. Like Samuel Clemens hisself, probably "racist", too.

218 posted on 03/22/2012 1:46:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: marktwain; All

This site sums it up well- with some interesting ‘comments’:

http://cofcc.org/2012/03/trayvon-martin-was-on-top-of-zimmerman-punching-him-when-he-was-shot/


219 posted on 03/22/2012 1:46:31 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Larry Lucido
Does this blogger cite to any source?

I'm still waiting for the MSM to post the photo of a 17 year old high school junior rather than an 11 or 12 year old kid.......

If one is going to make judgments on an internet forum it helps to have ALL the relevant information on hand.

I suspect Kyle Rogers is correct in the information he has provided but just like Obama, the rest of the MSM will not fulfill their duty in fully investigating the same.......

Don't forget what's ultimately at stake here and that's Florida's support of the 2nd Amendment and expecially their CASTLE DOCTRINE LAW............

220 posted on 03/22/2012 2:36:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: Revolting cat!
I'm a bad person. Like Samuel Clemens hisself, probably "racist", too

I doubt it. I think you have just bought into the MSM narrative. It is pervasive.

221 posted on 03/22/2012 2:44:19 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: yldstrk
I would be fighting Zimmerman too if he was trying to kill me

I'd shoot too if a 6'2 17 year old had me on my back and I had the grass stains to prove it.........

222 posted on 03/22/2012 2:45:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: marktwain

Since the police chief has exhonerated Mr. Zimmerman based on their investigation, I find it a little strange that no one in the MSM has attempted to obtain the complete investigative report and post it for all the world to see.........


223 posted on 03/22/2012 2:50:34 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: Little Ray
BTW: Did this Trayvon fellow have a prior record?

Nobody in the MSM has bothered to find that out......another oddity.

224 posted on 03/22/2012 2:53:13 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: patriot08

Zimmerman is Latino, not white I hear.


225 posted on 03/22/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Nobody in the MSM has bothered to find that out......another oddity.

Facts are stupid things.

226 posted on 03/22/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: marktwain; Revolting cat!

The article states that the community was 49% white. And had a lot of crime recently. Black neighbors were concerned and think Zimmerman was a good guy.


227 posted on 03/22/2012 2:55:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah
Black neighbors were concerned and think Zimmerman was a good guy.

Those neighbors are just a bunch of "Oreos" don'tcha know? They ain't down wit the struggle.

228 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: All

I think we don’t have all the facts and the ones we do have are somewhat jumbled and some of it may be clouded by adrenalin/emotion and other factors.

The reports say that Trayvon went to the 7-11 during the NBA All-star halftime. That game started at 7:30pm est.

The first call from Zimmerman to police was at 7:11 pm, Trayton’s girlfriend called Trayton at 7:12 pm.

It was raining that evening and had rained on and off that day from about 3pm. The 7-11 was .7 miles away.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1

The thing I do wonder about is Zimmermans account of Trayvon having his hand in his waistband/pants and something in his other hand— he had Skittles, an Arizona Iced Tea and a phone.

Trayvon doesn’t have three hands, so how did this work? Was the iced tea and skittles in the front through-pouch of the hoodie?

Perhaps Trayvon had his hand in his waistband to sorta stabilize the tea and Skittles carried in the front pouch of his sweatshirt and his phone was in the other hand?

Or maybe he reached in his pants to grab his phone out of a pocket that is on the inside front of the sweats/shorts?

I don’t know but something about this part of the story puzzles me a bit.

But for all the phone calls Zimmerman made to police 42?46? Whatever it is...he never seemed to get over dramatic or exaggerate.

I do think an unfamiliar walking around in the RAIN would make me concerned, too. I think a bunch of bad circumstances and bad decisions all around is why this happened.

So very sad for everyone involved.


229 posted on 03/22/2012 3:01:30 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Fireone

This was Hispanic and Black.


230 posted on 03/22/2012 3:06:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Candor7

Never let a crisis go to waste...(and if you don't have a crisis, make one?)

231 posted on 03/22/2012 3:07:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Irenic
I do think an unfamiliar walking around in the RAIN would make me concerned, too. I think a bunch of bad circumstances and bad decisions all around is why this happened

Worth repeating. When you have hundreds of millions of citizens interacting every day, you are bound to have a few actions that are not absolutely clear cut and a tragedy all the way around.

232 posted on 03/22/2012 3:09:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Worth repeating. When you have hundreds of millions of citizens interacting every day, you are bound to have a few actions that are not absolutely clear cut and a tragedy all the way around.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

233 posted on 03/22/2012 3:10:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: cport
There is a very telling part in the call when the dispatcher asks for his address, and Zimmerman states he doesn’t want to give that info because, “I don’t know where this kid is”. If at that point in the tape,after Martin ran and the dispatcher told Zimmerman to go back to the truck to meet the police, he obviously could not have been chasing Martin.

I have to be honest - I don't have a clue who started the confrontation, but, like you, I listened to Zimmerman's whole 911 call, and I was also struck by this part. Not only does he not know where "this kid" is, but he seems a little nervous - not like the aggressive pursuer you might expect (from the simple fact that he got out of his car after noting that the person looked like trouble.) He doesn't want to say his address in case the kid is close enough to hear him - he definitely sounds nervous.

A lot has been made of the 911 operator suggesting that Zimmerman should not pursue, but he does say, "okay" in response. We can't see what he is doing. I suspect he was still following, but at what he thought was a distance. The kid was hurrying away, but with a watchful eye over his shoulder. At some point, I am guessing, they may have found themselves suddenly in closer proximity than either expected. Remember, Zimmerman had lost sight of Martin. Martin told his girlfriend he was hurrying to get out of Zimmerman's sight.

But somehow, they ended up face to face, and at that point the whole "why are you here?" "why are you following me?" conversation occurred. Both of them scared. Neither wanting to back away (or turn his back.)

Then what?

I don't think we will ever know. But I do think that it is not as cut and dried as so many seem to think (including me, when I first started reading about it.)

Was Zimmerman "aggressively pursuing" or just trying to stay close enough to keep an eye on Martin?

Was Martin trying to get away, or trying to assert himself? Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory, I can recall being a teenage boy, and not wanting to appear frightened. It happens. Was it Martin who suddenly stepped out of the shadows to ask "why are you following me?"

And not to spread the second-guessing too far beyond Zimmerman and Martin, but when two guys are fighting, and one is screaming for help, didn't anybody even come outside and yell "stop it! I'm calling the cops!" Because that may very well have stopped the fight.

This was a real, senseless tragedy. And I'm really only sure of two things: Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman is going to do some time.

You can decide for yourself if either one of them deserves it. It's hard for me to think of any reason Martin deserves to be dead, but I'm getting a lot closer to concluding that neither one of them deserves his fate.

234 posted on 03/22/2012 3:12:12 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: marktwain
I don't watch MSM, don't read it except here, 'coz where does our information come from (with small exceptions)? What is the MSM narrative? That a man carrying a gun shot dead an unarmed teenager or another race? And that, BIG, BIG SURPRISE! he claimed it was in self-defense? Like you and many here, I expected that George would say something like the following:

No, I'm not Jewish. My grandfather was a German SS colonel and right after the WWII he fell in love with Cuban cigars and emigrated to Cuba. Myself, I hate Negroes, who are causing so much trouble in the neighbourhood, and I am glad to have eliminated one of the troublemakers.

That's what we expected (with minor variations) and were SHOCKED, SHOCKED, when George said "self-defense".

235 posted on 03/22/2012 3:13:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Little Ray

Trayvon Martin had no arrest record or disciplinary action for violence as a student in North Miami’s Krop High School.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136&page=2


236 posted on 03/22/2012 3:19:31 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: wtc911

Considering the number of black and brown folks living in George’s neighborhood, that statement is utterly vacuous...


237 posted on 03/22/2012 3:33:40 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: A CA Guy

Zimmerman is Latino, not white I hear.

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Libs are determined to make him white to suit their agenda.
‘Latino shoots unarmed black teen’ wouldn’t suit the rats political agenda.


238 posted on 03/22/2012 3:33:59 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: wtc911

You think that Zimmerman woke up that morning looking to kill someone?

Get your head out of your backside.


239 posted on 03/22/2012 3:51:47 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: wtc911

You think that Zimmerman woke up that morning looking to kill someone?

Get your head out of your backside.


240 posted on 03/22/2012 3:52:02 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: patriot08

I’m with you.

In Oklahoma, an 85 year old woman was raped and murdered, while her 90 year old husband was beaten into a coma. Both lived through the depression and the dust bowl years. He apparently served in the 101st Airborne during WW II.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

This country allows the circumstances to exist that would make it even possible that these two old people could be attacked by these savages. I find the evil behind this story, these actions to be completely unfathomable. And yet all the media wants to do is highlight their little angel Trayvon.

America has gone insane or the media is trying to drive her insane.


241 posted on 03/22/2012 4:08:31 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: Revolting cat!
I post a lot of stories from local stations and local papers. Interesting stories that do not make the MSM. The MSM has a filtering process that sorts out what is acceptable or not.

I would include AP in the MSM.

I am glad that you do not watch television, neither do I. When I do, I am shocked at the disparity of what I perceive as reality, and what the major networks display as reality.

We all tend to see what we expect.

If Zimmerman had been black, this would not have been a national story.

If Martin had been Hispanic, this would not have been a national story.

Do you believe it out of the realm of plausibility that George Zimmerman acted in self defense?

242 posted on 03/22/2012 4:31:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: saleman
I guess we could call obama near-white... Funny when I was at the Dr.’s office today I did not see that option on the race part.
243 posted on 03/22/2012 4:34:43 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: Revolting cat!
I post a lot of stories from local stations and local papers. Interesting stories that do not make the MSM. The MSM has a filtering process that sorts out what is acceptable or not.

I would include AP in the MSM.

I am glad that you do not watch television, neither do I. When I do, I am shocked at the disparity of what I perceive as reality, and what the major networks display as reality.

We all tend to see what we expect.

If Zimmerman had been black, this would not have been a national story.

If Martin had been Hispanic, this would not have been a national story.

Do you believe it out of the realm of plausibility that George Zimmerman acted in self defense?

244 posted on 03/22/2012 4:41:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
Z man did put himself in harms way in a stupid way....but if he was on the ground being beaten then he had the right to protect himself from this guy...

the govt better protect this guy....they better not invent law...

245 posted on 03/22/2012 5:28:34 PM PDT by cherry
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To: marktwain
Do you believe it out of the realm of plausibility that George Zimmerman acted in self defense?

No, I don't, but for God's sake, did he have to kill the attacker (assuming that Martin attacked him)? Was Zimmerman's life in danger? A warning shot would have been sufficient.

247 posted on 03/22/2012 5:38:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: marktwain

Agitprop 101.


248 posted on 03/22/2012 5:42:30 PM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: marktwain
If Zimmerman had been black, this would not have been a national story. If Martin had been Hispanic, this would not have been a national story

Yes, but you have to admit that the reactions here are also shaded by attitudes to racial and firearm issues, and deeply held beliefs and prejudices about these things.

250 posted on 03/22/2012 5:43:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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