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Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)
Charleston Conservative Examiner ^ | 21 March, 2012 | Kyle Rogers

Posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by marktwain

Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.

So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?

Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2” football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; lies; politicalcorrectness; propaganda; shooting; trayvonmartin
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To: yldstrk

Your a lawyer, you should check the facts before making a comment like that. Listen to all the 911 tapes and police transcripts. It has been reported that while following Martin, Zimmerman lost site of Martin and was headed back to his truck when Martin jumped him. Check out the size difference between Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman was screaming for help while Martin was pounding him. This was witnessed by more than one individual.


251 posted on 03/22/2012 5:48:52 PM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: Revolting cat!

A warning shot is a valid point, but only if the person is away from you, and that’s assuming he was brandishing. In a close up struggle where you are getting pounded, squeezing off a warning shot after barely being able to get your weapon might end up being a fatal shot anyway.


252 posted on 03/22/2012 6:09:13 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Sloth
None of those details have a bearing on who started the fight.

No but it certainly shows that the media is willfully lying out of their ass.

Out of curiosity do you not want both sides of the story?

253 posted on 03/22/2012 6:11:10 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: marktwain; All

Does anyone know if an autopsy is a matter of public record? We can definitely find out his height and weight after this is released. And I’m sure if Zimmerman goes to any kind of trial, his lawyer will get it in discovery.


254 posted on 03/22/2012 6:15:48 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Phantom Phixer
Zimmerman murdered Martin.

None of your distraction will change that.

And you are right. Emmit Till had nothing to do with this.

255 posted on 03/22/2012 6:27:29 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: yldstrk

yet...


256 posted on 03/22/2012 6:44:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: wtc911; Phantom Phixer

>>Zimmerman murdered Martin.

Oh, that’s BS and I am disappointed to see FReepers saying such a thing.

Zimmerman committed a homicide.

It has been judged justifiable homicide up to now by the local prosecutor.

With this having become a racial cause celebre, it is not unlikely to end up going to trial. If that happens, and if Zimmerman is found guilty, then there will have been a murder.


257 posted on 03/22/2012 6:48:58 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain

Obama was quick to call Sandra Fluke and comfort her.

When did he call Trayvon’s mom?


258 posted on 03/22/2012 6:53:28 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama has finally found a state issue he doesn't want the fed to take over. Arresting Zimmerman.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Zimmerman committed a homicide.

You're right, murder.

259 posted on 03/22/2012 6:55:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

So why isn’t there a warrant for his arrest, do you know something they don’t?


260 posted on 03/22/2012 6:56:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

I do, but I ain’t tellin.


261 posted on 03/22/2012 6:58:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Your main concern here is semantics?


262 posted on 03/22/2012 6:59:31 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Paratrooper
It has been reported that while following Martin, Zimmerman lost site of Martin and was headed back to his truck when Martin jumped him.

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Where was it "reported" and by whom? Please provide supporting links for your statement.

263 posted on 03/22/2012 7:02:39 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury, or they may be commanded or authorized by law to kill a person who is a member of an enemy force or who has committed a serious crime. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree, or whether it was justifiable.

A homicide is the legal term for any death other than natural causes. Legal class over.


264 posted on 03/22/2012 7:05:25 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: wtc911
Ahh, but words do mean things. Especially in a court of law, and obviously not in the court of public opinion.

The main concern here is to determine the facts that are in evidence, and the conclusions drawn from those facts, which translate into using the proper terms to determine guilt ot innocence. At this point, what we do know is a homicide has been committed. What is in dispute is whether or not Martin was murdered.

Pretending that words don't mean anything is the refuge of one who does not care about the facts, or wants to bend them to a predrawn conclusion.

265 posted on 03/22/2012 7:13:44 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: cport

You are correct. The legal term “homicide caused by judicial hanging” was once used on death certificates for convicts who climbed the king’s rope.


266 posted on 03/22/2012 7:18:43 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yes. he is Hispanic to say the least. 20 years ago he would be called a “beaner.”

Interesting once again to see that only the local eyewitnesses are telling the unvarnished truth.
Or most of it. little different than the hit job done in the Gore/Bush fiasco where the vote did not go their way

This is 90% media spin to advance an agenda for change - and so many of you are falling for it, little different than the liberal trash who infest this country...

Look the kid was 6’2’ and nothing like the child photos in the media.

Ask yourself: Why is the media portraying it as if he was 8?


267 posted on 03/22/2012 7:33:07 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Good post, absolutely correct.


268 posted on 03/22/2012 7:52:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cport

Fine, you concern yourself with the semantic difference between murder and homicide...it is what’s important after all.


269 posted on 03/22/2012 7:54:53 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Here is an article I just posted. It is PDF. I found the report of the police that were first on the scene very interesting.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf


270 posted on 03/22/2012 7:58:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: wtc911

But my dear wtc911, it is what’s important, when determining guilt or innocence. Or in this case, when speculating on guilt or innocence without all the available facts. You would probably pay a lawyer a pretty penny to argue semantics if it meant you being acquitted or doing time. And you would want what your attorney says to be weighed seriously. So when you are trying to present a persuasive case to validate your opinion, you look a lot less like a petulant child and more like a knowledgable advocate when you use the correct terminology as you present your case.


271 posted on 03/22/2012 8:04:20 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: marktwain

Very well written reports by donut eaters.


272 posted on 03/22/2012 8:05:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: bill1952
Look the kid was 6’2’ and nothing like the child photos in the media. Ask yourself: Why is the media portraying it as if he was 8?

It should be obvious to all.

I've seen the photos being posted.

He appears to be about 12 years old in some of those images.

They will attempt to hang Zimmerman in public with those images, before the fedmob gets their turn.


273 posted on 03/22/2012 8:14:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: wtc911

Liberals sure do like to drink coolaid. Much easier than having to think for themselves.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Forlandowesh-16122564%252Fsanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html

Once again, these details have been ignored or changed by the media.

1.The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2.The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3.Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4.Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4


274 posted on 03/22/2012 8:32:51 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: Revolting cat!

No, the two words mean very different things. You should learn the distinction before attempting to opine in a thread of this nature.

Also, I didn’t say anything earlier, but your comment about “a warning shot” goes against everything I’ve ever read from any number of experts on use of a firearm. If you shoot, you shoot to stop the threat. Period, end of story, and thinking a warning shot is an option is something people learn from watching too much bad TV.


275 posted on 03/22/2012 8:33:16 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wtc911

My main concern is that the facts get out and that people not be stampeded by the media narrative and racialist rabble rousers like Sharpton.

I had heard of this case in a passing way here early on. I started really paying attention when I saw it announced Sharpton was getting involved, as that usually means lots of BS ahead. I was right, and it seems a lot of FReepers are buying it, and convicting Zimmerman of murder without benefit of a trial.


276 posted on 03/22/2012 8:36:42 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Revolting cat!

I had a conservative friend at work tell me today that it sounded like murder from what he had read. I asked what he had seen and he started talking about the newspaper and the mainstream media. Poor little black honor student lost his way home from church murdered by a gun toting white racist. Its amazing how little honesty there is in the media these days.


277 posted on 03/22/2012 8:38:08 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: wtc911

Have you bothered to listen to the 911 recording?

Zimmerman says it. Find the recording yourself.


278 posted on 03/22/2012 8:39:18 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I don’t watch TV, good or bad, OK?

As for semantics, you can have your ‘homicide’. I call it ‘murder’, which is a word in common use among most of English speakers of all social classes, even if the courts have their own absurd bureaucratic categories such as “a fourth degree involuntary vehicular homicide”. Oh, and there is no such verb as “to homicide”. This is not a court or a legal venue, D’uh! Go back now to your “good TV”.


279 posted on 03/22/2012 8:40:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: BOBWADE
Poor little black honor student lost his way home from church murdered by a gun toting white racist.

Is that what your friend said, the media said, or you just freely paraphrased?

280 posted on 03/22/2012 8:42:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: patriot08

The difference is whites allow the Justice system to work.

Blacks invite Al Sharpton and the rest of the race pimps in to stir the pot and create more chaos.


281 posted on 03/22/2012 8:46:40 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: wtc911
You were there? That's good to know that they have another witness. Glad we got this all cleared up. I apologize for all of my freeper cohorts trying to force you to look at the facts when you already knew the truth all along. How dare them try to confuse you with the facts.
282 posted on 03/22/2012 8:46:40 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: Taxman

If these people ever gained power, it would be wall-to-wall Stalinesque show trials, and summary executions.


283 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Revolting cat!

That’s because homicide is a noun, not a verb. You can kill something, but you can’t homicide something. Darn those pesky semantics. I pray that you are never in front of a jury of your peers that don’t know the difference.


284 posted on 03/22/2012 8:54:56 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Revolting cat!
sarcasm applied and yes it was an exaggerated statement. Reminded me of the old story of the car that a little old lady only drove to church on Sundays. He never heard that Zimmerman may have been attacked or had any injuries. Only that Zimmerman had followed him, started a fight, and then killed him. Amazed me that he assumed that he had all of the facts when the reality was that most of the facts had been left out. Looks like the Media is out to start a race riot and has quite a few people presuming his guilt and ready to build the gallows.
285 posted on 03/22/2012 8:59:51 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: cport
Thanks for your prayers and an English lesson. Can you show me more nouns? The courts don't define reality outside of the legal system. If anything, they are a burden on the reality, and the understanding of it by people like yourself, enamored by, seduced and deceived by the legal lingo which has infected the way people communicate these days.

Last year on a grand jury in my county I remember us being warned by the DA to avoid this disease when discussing the case among ourselves. It was for nothing, this warning. Everyone is a legal expert, who knows the difference between a murder and a fourth degree involuntary vehicular homicide. Contemptible social phenomena.

286 posted on 03/22/2012 9:01:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: GOPJ

Youtube has that one on a slow download to make it hard to watch.


287 posted on 03/22/2012 9:02:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Revolting cat!; marktwain
did he have to kill the attacker (assuming that Martin attacked him)? Was Zimmerman's life in danger?

People are killed all the time from blows to the head. If ya jump on a cop, and start beating him, chances are excellent, you'll get shot. Many other non-cop citizens have also shot attackers, while being attacked. This has happened thousands of times.

In addition, is it not possible Martin attempted to disarm Zimmerman or that Zimmerman perceived/feared this would happen?

288 posted on 03/22/2012 9:09:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JayAr36

Suppose some stranger came up to you and started asking you questions? What would you do? Give the stranger your drivers license? How would a “normal person” respond?


289 posted on 03/22/2012 9:48:22 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: turn_to

As it is told, even by Trayvon’s girlfriend— it was Trayvon that initiated the discussion. She had told Trayvon to run, he didn’t.

If it were me, I would have walked faster towards my home, ran even. I would have gotten inside my home, let my parents and the police sort it out.

If I didn’t feel like I could make it home before the guy following would catch up... I would have started yelling for help or even called my dad from my cell phone.

I would not have confronted someone I thought following me. I would also bet a nickle that Trayvon landed the first blow.


290 posted on 03/22/2012 10:21:16 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: djf
CCW is not a license to keep tabs on the neighborhood and question anything you don’t like.

No, but having a neighborhood watch is ALL about surveillance. And criminals occasionally kill neighborhood-watch patrollers. That's why police tell the patrollers to hang back and not confront. But the prowlers often do confront the patrollers, esp. if they look elderly or "soft", and the police are still, "when seconds count, minutes away".

That’s what cell phones and 911 are for.

That's what Zimmermann did. Right up to the point where the thug jumped him and began rigorously beating his ass. So what part of "you must take a life-threatening beating by a powerfully-built athlete" did you find in neighborhood-watch manuals?

He used his cell phone correctly. He notified timely. The police were slow reacting. He got beaten, and he used his sidearm appropriately, to defend himself against a Junior OJ.

End of story. Unless you're Al Sharpton and Barack Obama.

291 posted on 03/23/2012 12:04:14 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

No, but having a neighborhood watch is ALL about surveillance.

And then you try to justify that it is at least sometimes about killing??

BTW, I never said ONE, not ONE single racial references in my post. It is YOU who raised the racial references.

There ya go.


292 posted on 03/23/2012 3:24:10 AM PDT by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: wtc911

It is in a report from Norton N. Bonaparte, Jr., the City Manager who recently suspended the Sheriff. On March 19, 2012. Here is the link: http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Statement in the report: “If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this
investigation?
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman “are you following him”. Zimmerman replied, “yes”. The call taker stated “you don’t need to do that”. The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

BTW Bonaparte is not white nor a white Hispanic


293 posted on 03/23/2012 4:26:33 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: justice14

What question?


294 posted on 03/23/2012 4:31:19 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Excellent. Well this was interesting, to say the least. Talk about wasted time. I’m not responding to anymore posts and will not read them, so yeah... thanks for the entertainment.


295 posted on 03/23/2012 5:30:01 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: cherry
...but if he was on the ground being beaten then...

That was my whole point. Nothing bad would have happened had he NOT exited his vehicle and confronted Treyvon.

When classed on CWP, you are instructed to not to "Get your Cop on" and try to intervene inappropriately. You lack the authority and anyone that you confront (accost) might not appreciate or respect your acting out of your self appointed capacity.

Looking at the immediate situation, Zimmerman was likely in the right. Looking at the entire incident, prior to the 911 call where he was instructed not to follow the suspect, he was CLEARLY in the wrong.

296 posted on 03/23/2012 5:39:10 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: bill1952
Yes. he is Hispanic to say the least. ....

Ask yourself: Why is the media portraying it as if he was 8?

The only reports I've heard were the kid was shot by a white male. Now they are saying a white "Hispanic" male, so it still has a racial tint. Where is the outrage about the black kids setting the white boy on fire???????????? Crickets.

297 posted on 03/23/2012 5:54:30 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: justice14

Whatever, I responded to all of your posts and answered you. You choose to run away from it, fine.


298 posted on 03/23/2012 5:55:44 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: turn_to

Was he asked for anything other then what was he doing there? I see you accept the premise that in any instance that a “white” man conflicts with a black man it is the “white” man that is at fault. Sick and tired of the victim card, racist card played every time something happens. The problem does not exist in the white community it resides in the black community. It is their act that needs to be straightened out not ours.


299 posted on 03/23/2012 6:58:31 AM PDT by JayAr36
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To: marktwain
I am sorry the young man was shot, but he's being made out to be 5'1 and a nice young boy.....but reports say he was well over 6' and out of school because of a suspension...

is the media going to really allow a lynching of an innocent person?....are none of them going to stand up and report the true facts?....

but this is all a larger issue......the don't want the peasants to have guns..

300 posted on 03/23/2012 7:40:33 AM PDT by cherry
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