Skip to comments.Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)
Posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:30 AM PDT by marktwain
Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.
So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?
Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2 football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.
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It’s not the crime that matters here - much worse violent crimes have happened around the country in the last few days.
The reason this story is important is it allows elite liberals and journalists an opportunity to express their hatred...
This is a story about two Hispanics - the press is trying to make it black/white... they’re trying to make it left/right. They’re haters. If you have any doubt - watch this video of two journalists talking about conservatives - and how smugly superior liberal elites are... It’s sickening.
According to the article Trayvon's family has had an attorney seal his records from the school.
The transcript of the conversation says otherwise, but you're just not bright enough to figure it out.
-btw you can take your sub-culture street slang and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Trayvon was a stranger to the gated community, but he was invited there by his father who was staying with his girlfriend in the community.
Best summary I have read on this came from post 47 on another thread:
Dude. He killed a kid walking down the street
Not so. He killed a kid who was 6ft 3 and had him down on his back punching him in the face according to an eye witness. Try to keep up.
Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force according to Floridas STAND YOUR GROUND LAW because Martin was on top of him beating him in the face.
According to this eye witness quoted in this article Zimmerman was getting the worst of it and calling for help once the fighting started.
The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, Help! Help! and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911, said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.
John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.
And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.
That is why the cops didnt arrest him at the scene after hearing this witness account, observing his bloody nose and his bleeding from the back of he head and grass stains on the back of his shirt. Considering that he had a concealed carry permit, was injured in the scuffle, was in fear for his live, and reasonably thought that Martin was a criminal, The cops let him go after cuffing him when the local prosecutors said there was not enough evidence for manslaughter conviction under Floridas Stand Your Ground Law.
The witness said it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help and police detectives even ran the 9-11 tapes of the screaming by the kids father and the father said the screams were NOT from his son.
Besides Martin is not the angelic 12 year old pictured in almost all the news stories but was almost 18, six foot three, and had been suspended from High School in Miami so he went to Sanford to visit his dad. If you listen to the 9-11 tapes, the kid approached Zimmerman when he was sitting in his truck as a possible intimidation tactic. It is also possible that the kid was not a terrified babe in the woods as portrayed but regarded Zimmerman following him as a white man dissing him and he attacked the watch captain without warning.
Granted, Zimmerman was wrong to follow the kid but IF the kid attacked him he is protected from a manslaughter charge by the SYG Law.However,civil lawsuits against him and the housing complex are another matter.
Lets have a Grand Jury review the evidence and then arrest him if the evidence showed he attacked the kid first.
47 posted on Wed Mar 21 2012 14:50:38 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Uncle Lonny
I wish that Trayvon had followed your advise. The altercation occurred less than 100 feet from the residence where he was staying.
Trayvon Martin was 6 foot 3 inches tall and a high school athlete. I think he could have outrun George Zimmerman, who appears a bit overweight.
Is that an actual, current picture of Trayvon Martin? If not, this could lead to a lot of trouble for Free Republic.
Yeah it’s to ‘stir up’ Obama’s base. Eric Holder’s ‘people’.
Id want her to fight back.
so if someone is following behind me down the sidewalk, I’m supposed to fight them?
That's up to you. Have fun defending yourself when all you say is "they were following me down the sidewalk".
If a car were following my wife, at night. And kept following her. Then when she started to go in a different direction away from the car, the car stops. The guy gets out and continues to follow. Then yes, I'd want my wife to fight back. That scenerio is completely different than "following behind me down the sidewalk".
But, just wow! We'll never see that picture in the MSM!!
Tawanna Brawley, Part Deux.
DA’s are all about one thing; winning. They will not prosecute a case they don’t think they can win. This sounds like way too much of a self defense case for them to overcome. You have witnesses and 911 tapes that are supportive of the shooter. I don’t think this has a chance in court.
nobody died in the white kid on fire case
It is not at all clear that Zimmerman started the fight.
Of course they doing that. They find a crime that “fits the narrative” and try to make as much mileage out it as possible - and call the right “vultures” or “racists” if we try to do the same. Owning the MSM is a wonderful thing.
There is a lot worse going on, like the brutal rape/murder of an old woman and the beating of her husband. By a black.
But that doesn’t fit the narrative or serve the totalitarian purpose, so its not news.
How do you know Zimmerman threatened the guy with his gun?
I’ve seen no report indicating that was true.
Who started the actual confrontation? One’s dead, the other gets to tell his story. The only other evidence is whatever can be extracted from the background noises on the 911 tapes. That and the testimony of one person that she saw a fight with Martin on top of Zimmerman. That may not be enough to settle it definitively.
So that’s what determines guilt? Someone dies?
That’s sound logic! Remember: if you get a home invader, you’d better only shoot to maim, or you’ll be the murderer!
You don’t escalate a fist fight to a gun esp when you outweigh and out age the other guy.
You are simply incorrect in the above statement. Zimmerman was perfectly legal in his following Martin in public areas, and in approaching him and asking questions.
Neighborhood watch manuals are not statutes.
Advice from a dispatcher is not a legally binding order.
The critical question is: Who attacked who? Both parties had committed no crime, and were legally where they had a right to be.
Trayvon Martin was a guest of his father who was staying at his girlfriends house.
George Zimmerman lived in the neighborhood.
Al Sharpton and the MSM aren’t going to like this at all.
“You dont escalate a fist fight to a gun esp when you outweigh and out age the other guy.”
Again, a completely specious argument.
I only weigh about 197, but I’m 6’ 3” and all muscle. I’m ex-military and a natural fighter. I can whoop folks heavier and older than me. I guess that means if I start beating someone heavier and older, they would have no right to defend themselves with whatever means necessary.
How much do you weigh? How old are you? I may be coming for you since you’ve given me a pass! ;-)
yeah, I weigh 98, and I am an ex JAG, female type
Remember how Kristallnacht started, some lowly Nazi emissary gets gunned down in Paris, and then the Nazi Media whipped the German people into a frenzy.
“The class that I was in warned that this perceived power could lead to real trouble.
The whole idea of CCW is to protect yourself when accosted. It does not give you license to pursue and engage suspicious persons walking down a public street.
You have that right without a gun so why would you believe you don’t have that right with a gun? You were taught wrong.
Well, even if he was on the ground getting his ass kicked, that does not resolve the use of deadly force issue - at least I don’t think it does.
If he was the original aggressor (which is at least possible), and if getting his ass kicked was the predictable outcome of his assault, he is not going to get off with self-defense.
“, and had a gun and made threats with it,”
And you KNOW he did that how?? Just mouthing off are ya?
Or a laurel, and hardy handshake.
The media also characterizes Trayvon as a “model student.” In fact, he under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night. A laywer for Trayvon’s family has blocked access to his school records. However, you have to do something pretty bad to get suspended for five days.
Were also learning more about Trayvon Martin. According to reporters he had been suspended from school. The International Business Times says Martins suspension was due to last for 10 days. But what exactly was he suspended for in the first place? Sources sympathetic to Martin say he was suspended for excessive tardiness. However, a quick review of both the local policies for Martins school, the Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School, and of the Miami-Dade school districts district-wide policies, raise some doubts. According to Miami-Dade policy, in order to get a suspension of 10 days, Martin would have had to either commit repeated, serious or habitual acts of the following:
Confrontation with a staff member
Defiance of school personnel
Distribution of items or materials that are inappropriate
for an educational setting*
Failure to comply with previously prescribed corrective
Harassment (non-sexual or isolated)
Leaving school grounds without permission
Joining clubs or groups not approved by the School Board
Petty theft (under $300.00)
Use of profane or provocative language directed at someone
Prohibited sales on school grounds (other than
Possession and/or use of tobacco products
Or even occasional offenses from the following:
Assault/Threat against a non-staff member
Breaking and Entering/Burglary
Bullying (repeated harassment)*
Disruption on campus/Disorderly conduct
Harassment (Civil Rights)**
Possession or use of alcohol and/or controlled
Possession of simulated weapons
Or of the following:
Grand theft (over $300.00)
Motor vehicle theft
Other major crimes/incidents
Sale and/or distribution of alcohol and/or controlled substances
Sex offenses (other) (including possession and/or
distribution of obscene or lewd materials)
Or possibly even of the following, each of which carries a minimum suspension of ten days:
Aggravated battery against a non-staff member
Assault/Threat against M-DCPS employees or persons
conducting official business
Battery or Aggravated battery against M-DCPS employees
or persons conducting official business*
Making a false report/threat against the school*
Possession, use, sale, or distribution of firearms, explosives,
destructive devices, and other weapons.
But whatever the reason, its a case that youll probably be hearing more about in the future.
Thanks Freddd, I was thinking the same thing.
do the 911 tapes prove up who started the fight?
I don’t see truancy on that list...wasn’t that the original claim? That he had been suspended for truancy?
“if getting his ass kicked was the predictable outcome of his assault, he is not going to get off with self-defense.”
As you implied, just because you attack a person doesn’t then give them the right to use lethal force...that also goes for the kid. If Zimmer thought the kid was using excessive force that was life threatening he then did have cause to use lethal force.
Oh, well never mind then !
One major problem with your statement. If your wife started fighting back she would actually be starting a fight. She would be the aggressor.