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Was Florida shooter a vigilante or diligent neighbor?
AP via Washington Times ^ | M>arch 22, 2012 | Mike Schneider

Posted on 03/22/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by libstripper

George Zimmerman once took criminal justice classes at the community college and was practically a one-man neighborhood watch in his gated part of town, calling police close to 50 times over the past eight years to report such things as slow-driving vehicles, strangers loitering in the neighborhood and open garages.

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To: Clara Lou
The victim is supposedly ON TOP and the shooter ON THE BOTTOM.

Hard to believe there'd be no splatter at all ~ but so far there's no claim that Zimmerman (the shooter) had any splatter on him ~ just a nick on the back of his head.

Later on I'm going to play back all the recordings and see if they indicate that Zimmerman is out on the public roads following Martin back to the development from the convenience store.

Now that I know the layout there this should be a slam dunk.

151 posted on 03/22/2012 10:23:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
He was in the community with his father and his father’s girlfriend.

I am a Professional Eningeer, Civil.

How can I trust anything you report, when you can't even correctly spell your own profession on your homepage?

What does an en-in-geer, civil do?

152 posted on 03/22/2012 10:29:13 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: muawiyah
The 911 recordings do nothing to show Zimmerman’s guilt, it be used to show that he might be bigoted. Cops never want to release anything. That is not new and does nothing to show the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman.

Nothing you said supports either guilt of innocence of Zimmerman, it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything and that the news sucks.

Why a very forceful condemnation of Zimmerman on scant evidence.

Maybe Zimmerman attacked the kid or maybe Martin attacked him. Certainly enough doubt to go either way here. Normally I will go with not guilty without more info.

153 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:40 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: muawiyah
"So, where's the blood? If the guy was on top of him when he shot him, then where's the blood?"

Call me crazy, but I prefer to focus on facts that have actually been disclosed. Just because police have not stated he was soaked in the 'victim's' blood, doesn't mean there is not blood transference to the shooter.

154 posted on 03/22/2012 10:38:29 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: USS Alaska
Yes I have a misspelling, just to get people to comment on it, as if they have nothing better to talk about. Many posters here love to criticize other poster’s spelling and/or grammar, instead of on the subject of the thread. It is a quick way for me to weed out those people.

And a link to an article with the claim of his fathers home being there.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-20120322,0,4469238.story

155 posted on 03/22/2012 11:05:41 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: faucetman

Sorry, the Constitution and Florida Laws ARE legitimate reasons.

Actually, the right to go armed for self defense is a basic human right and the human right and the Constitution merely recognizes and guarentees it. So in addition to legal a reason, he had a basic human right to do so.

But again, we need to wait for the whole story before rushing to judgement. He entitled to a fair trial, not a media lynching.


156 posted on 03/22/2012 11:20:10 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: muawiyah
Go to your local newspaper with that story - or if they won't cover it, go to a large city newspaper near you. The MSM doesn't like cops any more that they like conservatives. I suspect you've got a go.

That said - that has never been my experience with police officers. Most policemen today are college educated and they're not going to give up career and pensions to protect an informant. Anyhow, post the story when it's published.

157 posted on 03/22/2012 2:06:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: muawiyah
Zimmerman has yet to be demonstrated to have had a right to follow a guy around a public street stalking him.

Good grief..it wasn't a public street, it was private property with gates across the road and everything. People don't have the right to just wander in, and neither Martin or his father lived there.

Zimmerman doesn't have to justify his following Martin..Martin has to justify his presence on private property of which Zimmerman is one of the owners.

158 posted on 03/22/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Dead Corpse
Logical conclusion, ballistic evidence corroborated Zimmerman's account. Concurring bump.

I also read that Chief Lee spent 27 years as a Seminole county homicide detective.

159 posted on 03/22/2012 5:12:51 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

You must have read a lot of posts already and know there are “gaps’. Please prove each and every contention you just made.


160 posted on 03/22/2012 7:03:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GOPJ

They are?


161 posted on 03/22/2012 7:04:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GOPJ

They are?


162 posted on 03/22/2012 7:04:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moehoward

The cops did say he had scratches ~ so where’s the blood/


163 posted on 03/22/2012 7:07:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83

Zimmerman’s voice is in the recordings that’ve been released. He initiated the contact.


164 posted on 03/22/2012 7:09:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mac_truck
The address Zimmerman gave the cops was "111". That's on a building on the PUBLIC street that parallels the interior circulator road for the development.

So, that's where Zimmerman was ~ on a public road ~ and he'd followed Martin from where?

Zimmerman was EVASIVE ~ that's the word bill collectors (and lawyers) use when a supposed expert can't tell you something he should know ~ like the address of where he's at in a community where he's a neighborhood watch "captain".

Now, regarding ballistics ~ anyone know what the coroner's report says?

165 posted on 03/22/2012 7:14:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83
Ratman83 said: "... it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything ..."

It's probably good police work to withhold physical evidence at least until all the witnesses can be interviewed.

If, for example, Zimmerman's account conflicts with statements he made in the 911 call, that could indicate an attempt to deceive.

If Zimmerman made any statements to police after the shooting and without legal representation, then it might confirm some peoples' suspicion that he is a fool.

Neither Zimmerman nor Martin had justification to assault the other. My understanding of "assault" is that no contact is necessary, only the justified fear of attack.

It seems reasonable to me that Martin may have been assaulted by Zimmerman's behavior in following him. This might justify Martin defending himself, but Martin's justification for taking action against Zimmerman ends if Zimmerman retreats sufficiently. At some point during a retreat by Zimmerman, Martin's actions can become an assault against Zimmerman.

The very words "Stand Your Ground" reflect the reality that one is not justified in continuing response to an attack after the attacker has withdrawn. You can stand your ground, but you can't gain ground or take the other guy's ground.

It seems to me that the challenge for a prosecutor will be to prove that Zimmerman did assault Martin and that following that assault, Zimmerman did not withdraw effectively enough to eliminate Martin's right to defend himself.

166 posted on 03/22/2012 8:42:49 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: muawiyah
He initiated the contact.

I have not heard any tape the has any contact on it, only that he would follow. And when he did find him we do not know who did what. Being asked a question is not grounds to attack someone, while physically contacted by someone is. Problem is we do not know who contacted who first.

167 posted on 03/23/2012 4:46:07 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: William Tell
Ratman83 said: "... it only shows that the cops are not releasing everything ..."

It's probably good police work to withhold physical evidence at least until all the witnesses can be interviewed.

I agree they rarely release all info until the conclusion of the case, no sense in corrupting the case.

It seems to me that the challenge for a prosecutor will be to prove that Zimmerman did assault Martin and that following that assault, Zimmerman did not withdraw effectively enough to eliminate Martin's right to defend himself.

Yes it will be a tough case, which may be why no charges were brought originally in the case.

168 posted on 03/23/2012 5:08:29 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
Look up the various definitions of "contact'.

IT"S more than touching.

169 posted on 03/23/2012 6:08:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: libstripper
HMM ~ he should never have admitted to CHASING the man. As far as giving up the chase is concerned, did he tell Martin he didn't have to fear him anymore, that the chase was over?

In this situation Zimmerman has to come up with something that removes Martin's well-grounded fear for his life ~

BTW, we know it was a well grounded fear because, as it turned out, Zimmerman shot Martin and killed him. Among other things that proves that Zimmerman was 'chasing Martin with a gun".

170 posted on 03/23/2012 6:14:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kenmcg
Isn't it more like Zimmerman convicting himself by chasing another person with a gun and then shooting him to death?
171 posted on 03/23/2012 6:15:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kenmcg
There’s always two sides to every story. Unfortunately, Zimmerman has already been convicted thanks to lame stream hysterical media who never get the facts in a case.

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It might be just a bit more unfortunate that the un-armed teenager minding his own business whom an armed Zimmerman admittedly followed both by car and on foot isn't here to tell his side.....because, you know, Zimmerman killed him.

172 posted on 03/23/2012 6:19:48 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: muawiyah
We also know from Zimmerman taped conversation with LEO that Martin ran away.

This is exactly what a teen should do when being followed, both by car and then on foot.

The known fact that Martin avoided confrontation and the equally known fact that Zimmerman's actions were aggressive (what do you think stalking is?) are thrown out the window by those here who want to believe that Martin, to quote a freeper, "surprised and attacked" Zimmerman.

They also ignore Zimmerman's documented legal history of violence while suggesting without any evidence that Martin was a thug.

Zimmerman will spend the rest of his loser's life looking over his shoulder at the very least. He will always be the guy who killed that kid. He will also find certain freepers always ready to shake his hand and buy him a beer.

173 posted on 03/23/2012 6:31:12 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: muawiyah

Being contacted by someone verbally is not grounds to attack. What information do you have that justifies one or the other person in the case to attack the other?


174 posted on 03/23/2012 6:42:27 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

‘Contact” can start at the point where Zimmerman, in his pickup truck, began following Martin on foot.


175 posted on 03/23/2012 7:21:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wtc911
I think I'll keep my eyes open for them ~ can't have that going on. Probably ought to go armed too ~ and if they run, that means they're guilty of a capital crime.

This could become SERIES and HUGH

176 posted on 03/23/2012 7:24:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Yes you could say that or you could say it started when Zimmerman first say Martin or where Martin started to approach Zimmerman in his vehicle. All of the points could be considered contact. None of them are justification for a physical confrontation.

Once again “What information do you have that justifies one or the other person in the case to attack the other?”

177 posted on 03/23/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
The law does not require either to retreat. The law allows either one to use force to protect his or her own life. The law even allows lethal force if your life is actually in danger.

Martin would have been right to physically attack Zimmerman since it was Zimmerman admittedly following Martin and not the other way around.

178 posted on 03/23/2012 7:40:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

So you are saying that any who follows someone else has become a physical threat just because they are following someone. Is this what you mean? The mere act if following someone and observing them is grounds for a physical attack.


179 posted on 03/23/2012 7:56:09 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Dead Corpse
What I want to know is why this 6'2” completely innocent child, er, thug (not baby-faced 13-yr old in the picture the family released) didn't call 911 when some supposed lunatic began to follow him and “chased” him. I want to know why this thug didn't call the cops when this supposed lunatic supposedly, as many on FR allege, initiated “contact.”

(Every princes to thug has a cellphone).

180 posted on 03/23/2012 8:07:12 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: muawiyah

Actually, the 911 operator did not specifically give orders to Zimmerman not to follow. Her instruction was not that clear. She should have said explicity: SIR DO NOT FOLLOW. But she didn’t. I think she said something like, “we don’t need you to follow him.” That is not a clear statement or instruction. It’s waffle-y.


181 posted on 03/23/2012 8:16:06 AM PDT by carmody
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To: libstripper

How lucky for Obama and the left that they get to revisit race-relations and civil-rights history all summer long.

Or is it unlucky? Because most people in this country are not racist nor do they accept the premise that they are. And really, with gas prices, economy, inflation ... well, to quote Carville ~ It’s the economy, stupid!

Also, I’ve heard the TV-talkers already setting the stage for ‘black children cannot walk freely without fear of making people afraid.’ Ask Bill Cosby - whose fault is that? But frankly, if I were walking alone on a street and any young male was walking behind me, white, black, asian, hispanic - I would be concerned for my safety. Young hoodlums come in all colors and shapes.

I don’t think race had anything to do with this.

And I hope sensible minds in the media stop this witch hunt now. Zimmerman may be guilty of being over-vigilant and maybe looking for a fight. But race is not the reason.

I feel very sorry for the young mans family. They are being preyed upon by the minions of the left and the media. Can’t pass up this opportunity for this summers blockbuster trial.

Whipping the public into a frenzy is a media specialty.


182 posted on 03/23/2012 8:27:07 AM PDT by carmody
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To: Hulka

That’s a good question. According to his girlfriend, who he was on the phone with, he knew he was being followed...


183 posted on 03/23/2012 6:36:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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