Skip to comments.Was Florida shooter a vigilante or diligent neighbor?
Posted on 03/22/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by libstripper
George Zimmerman once took criminal justice classes at the community college and was practically a one-man neighborhood watch in his gated part of town, calling police close to 50 times over the past eight years to report such things as slow-driving vehicles, strangers loitering in the neighborhood and open garages.
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So, what's your problem with understanding and obeying the law?
Is this an election year? Is the Holder Justice Department involved yet? Will a bear....?
Since no one has seen the official police report, you and Kreskin must be taking long hot showers together...
What “hunting”? Yes he was following him to keep an eye on him, but not even the left-wing lunatics are claiming he simply “hunted him down”.
Explain to me why in Zimmerman 44 previous calls to the police, while performing his “community watch” there was never a prior physical confrontation. Do “vigilantes” typically call the cops are handle things on their own?
Also, if I was ever going to hunt a man down and shoot him to death, I don’t think I’d call 911 beforehand to give the police a heads up.
The shooting may or may not be justified (I am leaning towards yes, but I want to hear more evidence), but your characterization of what happened is pure fantasy, and refuted by the fact.
I found an address in the transcript of the 911 call - 111 Retreat View Circle.
This led me to a place called ‘The Retreat at Twin Lakes’.
Its east gate is closed; and, I can see a blue neighborhood watch sign. The north gate is open, but there is the neighborhood watch sign. Alot of gated communities don’t have guards...and they leave the primary entrance gates open during the daylight hours. So this all looks fairly normal.
The community is surrounded by a low brick wall.
What I am having a hard time finding is the gas station...Martin’s mother said he was walking back from the gas station, where he bought the Skittles and iced tea.
The closest one I can find is around a half mile to the north, on the other side of the interstate.
I don’t think Martin lived there...a story yesterday stated that he went to Krop High School (but was suspended) in Miami (and Sanford is near Orlando). I have no idea if he had other family in Sanford, or why he was there.
I have not been able to find anything indicating why he was in Sanford...in an interview, his father stated ‘he was walking home’...which might mean that his father lived in Sanford.
But the one thing I have not found...and I think would be printed everywhere if true, is any indication that a family member lived in the gated community. To me, that’s important. I’m not sure of the posting laws, or what the blue signs say; but, Martin may have been trespassing.
And, as horrible as this situation is, I don’t want the outcome to be some notion that we cannot confront trespassers, without waiting for the police to arrive.
I assume Zimmerman will eventually get arrested for something...and many of the unanswered questions will be answered in court.
Yesterday I was ready to convict Zimmermann. But, when I heard that Martins father said the voice yelling for help on the 911 call was not his son, I changed my mind. It must have been Zimmermann who was in trouble. Those pictures of Martin do not show how big he is now. I havent heard how close to Zimmermanns truck that Martins body was found. If Zimmermann was going back to his truck like he said, Martin must have followed him. I just wonder where his body was found.
This particular article indicates he did not. He was "visiting" his father's "fiance" during his "5 day suspension from school".
None. Zimmerman followed the law. If he hadn't, the police would have charged him.
Or are you anti-cop now too?
So, here's Martin inside a courtyard and Zimmerman has his truck parked on the street in front of the courtyard (kind of like he's blocking easy exit).
Even if Zimmerman couldn't find his quarry, he trapped him.
The cops are on their way before he shoots Martin.
I'm going to guess that Martin was disoriented from being chased around the development (where apparently he was visiting with his father) ~ we still need a good address on his father's girlfriend though ~ and at the same time the locals are being somewhat cagey and won't tell anybody what Zimmerman's address really is ~ like maybe he doesn't really live there.
The civil case against Zimmerman and the homeowner's association is going to show where Zimmerman's truck is blocking the courtyard .........
Go to the video I linked. The reporter says the police have a corroborating witness for Mr. Zimmerman on the vital point that Zimmerman broke off the confrontation and was heading back to his truck when Martin jumped him and started beating him. Not necessarily tetimony sworn in court, but pretty much the next best thing. Also, if the cops don’t identify that witness it will be hard for Zimmerman to hunt him or her down. Indeed, your characterization of Zimmerman as “armed and dangerous” appears highly prejudicial since Zimmerman hasn’t even been charged with a crime and, from the presently available information, it appears that, if there was any crime at all, it was Martin’s violent assault on Zimmerman.
More editorializing. Zimmerman was doing what he was supposed to do as Neighborhood Watch. It wasn't until Martin attacked him that things went bad.
Again, you appear to WANT Zimmerman to be a bad guy. You WANT him crucified even though you do not have ALL of the information that the local police had. They declined to charge him with anything.
But no... The Great and Mighty muawiyah has spoken and the Hispanic guy is BAD.
You have issues you need to resolve.
So why do you want to deny Martin his rights? The "stand your ground" law says he was entitled to defend himself and had no need to retreat ~ yet, in fact, he had retreated. He'd done everything he could to escape an individual who gave every indication of wanting to harm him.
It's night. There's a cold rain. He's in a strange place ~ just a visitor. He walked over to the 7-11 to buy candy, and still had it on him as he returned to his father's girlfriend's place. He's unarmed.
Zimmerman is roaming around in a pickup in that gloom of night, packing heat, and looking for people he thinks are suspicious looking.
Martin was after skittles. Zimmerman was on the scent of man.
I really think I understand what's going on here and you don't.
My neighborhood watch would have brought charges against Zimmerman in fact. The whole point is to “watch”, not “act” and this dude was hunting.
The cops didn't take his gun. He presumably still has it.
So, yes, armed and dangerous.
The Sanford PD disagrees. Take it up with them.
Same for your claim that Martin was justified in beating Zimmerman under "stand your ground". He wasn't. "Stand your ground" means you have a legal right to be somewhere and that you are under direct threat. Once Zimmerman was walking away from him, as at least one witness reportedly stated, Martin had no right to jump him.
You lose again.
Neighborhood Watch has rules ~ the point is to “watch”.