Skip to comments.Jeb Bush: Make Rubio the VP nominee
Posted on 03/22/2012 8:24:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Yesterday's endorsement of Mitt Romney by former Florida governor Jeb Bush sent the implicit message that the time had come to wrap up the nomination process and begin focusing on the general election. Bush made that more explicit in an interview with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review’s Salena Zito --- and Bush had an idea how to make the ticket even stronger:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush says Republican front-runner Mitt Romney has earned the right to take on President Obama in November.
“It is time to get behind the nominee,” Bush told the Tribune-Review on Wednesday during a visit to Pittsburgh. “And it is time for the country to focus on the most important thing, which is to elect a president who will create a climate for high growth and job-creating abilities for our country.”
Does he want to be VP? No, but he knows the man for the job:
“Marco Rubio,” he said of the freshman Florida GOP senator, who served as a volunteer on Bush’s governor’s campaign. Bush described Rubio, 40, as “dynamic, joyful, disciplined and principled.”
“He is the best orator of American politics today, a good family man. He is not only a consistent conservative, but he has managed to find a way to communicate a conservative message full of hope and optimism,” Bush said.
No doubt, Rubio would be a popular choice for a running mate in the GOP. He routinely wins the polls here at Hot Air for the slot, for example. If Romney does win the nomination — and that seems just short of certain now — he’d need a popular figure like Rubio among conservatives, and I’m not sure there’s another choice that could help him consolidate the base as effectively.
However, I’m still not sold on this as an effective general-election choice. Rubio has not had any executive-branch experience yet, and has been in the Senate for a mere 14 months. He needs more time to garner broader experience before one can make the claim that he has a resumé that justifies him being one heartbeat away from the Presidency. (Yes, I know Obama only had two years in the Senate before beginning his run for the top spot. Look how well that’s working out.) As talented as Rubio is, he has a brilliant career ahead of him if he shows some patience and builds a record of more than just fabulous oratory. He needs a full term in the Senate with his name on significant legislation, then a term as governor in Florida. With that kind of record, Rubio might be unbeatable in any cycle. With four or eight years as VP after less than two in the Senate, Rubio could end up being a historical footnote.
Bobby Jindal makes more sense as a running mate in this cycle, or Nikki Haley, both of whom are governors outside of Washington with Southern draw. Jindal probably would be better in getting conservatives to coalesce behind him, and he has a real track record of political reform in his second term in the top spot in Louisiana.
Update: Fox asked Rick Perry about rumors of his being on the shortlist, and Perry says that rumor is all it is:
Texas governor versus VP? The balance on that one isnt even close, Perry said. I would suggest to you thats deep in the rumor category and I got a better gig where I am, thank you.
Perry would make a pretty good running mate, though, and would help Romney get conservative backing. I don’t see Perry in a #2 slot, however, and I doubt he sees himself there either.
we don’t need a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT CLARIFYING THE TERM NATURAL BORN today. The founding fathers had a clear understanding of the phrase, the US Supreme Court defined the phrase at least three times, the public and politicians in 1968 understood the phrase and no one denied that any citizen had standing to object to a candidates eligibility.
The two wings of the Government Party offer you the choice of a disorganized and self indulgent megalomaniac leftwing progressive, or the focused and self disciplined megalomaniac leftwing progressive. The organized one -will- accomplish more harm if elected.
Please! Please! please! A very big shout out to the conservative party and to the constitution party, Dont even ask her just put Sarah Palin on the ballot for your party. That would greatly increase turnout, decrease Romneys vote count and make the Democrats vote fraud more difficult. Considering the strength of those currently running, Palin should be a shoe in.
Besides the Bush’s representing the upper aristocracy of the USA and not the lower millions they would, even with excellent military service, give the USA to anyone who would serve their purposes of govenment. As to Jeb pushing for Rubio, I feel he might as well push for POTUSA open to all anchor babies no matter from where or when if he would be completely true to his version of eligibility. The idea of messing around with the original ‘natural born citizen’ wording of the Constitution, even the SC, is fraught with adverse consequences a la Obama. It has often bothered me that some assume that adding an amendment to the Constitution can actually change the wording of the original Constitution. Since we were given an apple i,e. Constitution words,so to speak, to live by can/should we change that apple for any other fruit?
“Cant stand Rubio. And now Jebs given me more reason to not want him to be the VP.”
Rubio has been a Bush protege since the get go. I am sure he will eventually prove to be as valuable an asset for conservatives as Colin Powell.
RE:the US Supreme Court defined the phrase at least three times, the public and politicians in 1968 understood the phrase and no one denied that any citizen had standing to object to a candidates eligibility.
Well, if this is so, then someone should challenge the current occupant’s eligibility in the courts... (CRICKETS)
“Its a neverending RINO nightmare! I want OUT!”
You are out in every meaningful sense. Although they do want you to send in your money and cast your vote for their candidates. Welcome to the GOP plantation. It is a lot like the Democrat plantation, but is on the right hand fork in the road instead of the left.
RE: “Is Rubio an NBC?”
No. And Sen. Rubio himself knows it too.
When did Rubio acknowledge this? Do you have a link or a source for this?
Your whole post is a perfect summary. ‘Boob bait for Bubbas’ indeed.
“IMO Rubio will be lucky to get re-elected to the Senate, there are a lot former supporters that are turned off by him.”
Why? Just curious, as I have always read him as counterfeit.
“Romney Dynasty has roots to Mehican Hispanics, Rubio is Hispanic.”
Are you sure? I thought he was all pure ‘white and delightsome’, that the only reason for Mexico was to run their chicken ranch scheme free of law enforcement.
RE: Cant stand Rubio.
Wed like to know why...
So would I. I guess some here on FR just do NOT want anyone on any ticket that can beat the Kenyan and I wonder why.
RE: I guess some here on FR just do NOT want anyone on any ticket that can beat the Kenyan and I wonder why.
Many are looking for Mr or Ms. Perfect. Good luck with that.
Is the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave????
NO, he is NOT!!!!
Besides being able to talk to the pool boy without an interpreter?
He's been a US Senator for two freaking years! That's IT! AND, the track record of US Senators, a/k/a gasbags and crooks, being elevated to POTUS or VP isn't exactly encouraging.
My own intensely personal feeling is that in order to be a Natural Born Citizen, one must have been born in Hawaii of a foreign father. I am confident that I am correct because many many elected Republicans have told me exactly that ... or something very close to that. But you know if Alito, Scalia, Thomas and the boys are not too busy, maybe they could enlighten me.
True, neither of the Rubio parents was an American citizen at the time of little Marco's birth (BTW, Marco is an Italian handle, the espanol version is "Marcos") so it is possible that he is therefore an Italian Natural Born Citizen. And it is entirely possible that he was born in Hawaii. In fact, I'd actually prefer it. Floridian's have earned a reputation for not being very bright, and their weather is unbearable 9 months of the year, which doesn't help the state IQ any.
I say, better yet, why don't we just drop this whole annoying Constitutional thingie. The guy is here now, and that's good enough for the MSM, Barack Obama, and my Republican Congressman!
You’re wrong, but not for the reason you think you are. Scott Brown has been pretty strong on immigration bills. He voted against DREAM and told Obama he wouldnt vote for amnesty. However, Reagan signed the amnesty bill, which means that Reagan doesnt have as much in common with his FR identity as a lot of people think.
So if Rubio is open borders, then he has more in common with Reagan than Scott Brown.
I’m so tired of this BS. If FReepers spent 1/10th the time bashing the Muslim Marxist usurping the WH as they do bashing GOP candidates who even on their worst day aren’t a fraction as bad as that thing in the WH now, maybe, we might win this November.
I go to other forums, I read Twittter, etc and conservatives and Republcans are going after Hussein. Here, it’s bashing our own side 24/7. Makes me wonder how many are really O voters.
It ain’t gonna work - ROMNEY NEVER GETS MY VOTE!! Jeb, you and the GOP E has finally have shown your true colors. There is no crossing the aisle - there is no aisle as you are ONE!!
Pro Homo, Pro Abortion, Anti-traditional marriage, big gov’t socialistic Romneycare, appointing liberal judges, very weak on 2nd adm and pro-gun rights - same as the liberals.
Only those attracted/drawn to evil would ever vote for Mitt or be apart of the GOP E!
Rubio is not NBC, Rubio is a McCain stooge for the MB interventions and Rubio is as soft as da Bushes on Illegal Immigration. I don’t trust Rubio!
WOW, pretty pathetic, very pathetic that our former head of the State of Florida, a former two term Governor does NOT know the Constitution’s Article II. Section 1. Clause 5.!
There is NO difference whather you are a democRAT or a pubbie, the Constitution is the same!!
It ALL looks like these leaches are doing this to cover up for Bari, Barry Soetoro, Soebarkah, Steve Dunham, Harrison J. Bounell and other aliases used with different SS### and faked SSS#, aka BHO to be eligible as p-Resident!!!
Do you hate everyone you don’t completely agree with?
Mark Levin says he is eligible and he’s a lot smarter than you.
This clashes with the “Western Strategy” that Romney will need to employ to beat Obama. Susana Martinez better fits that strategy.
“Is Rubio an NBC?”
Probably not but no matter if you agree or disagree it will be a poor idea to put him on the ticket. If he goes on the ticket as VP the lawsuits and controversy will start immediately and that is the last thing the GOP needs this year. Just put Alan West on the ticket if Fla is worrisome.
MY Republican party? What is YOUR party? My party right now is Independent and my vote will be ABO!!!! If you seriously think all the Republicans since Reagan were “progressives” you are delusional. Granted, they are NOT the conservatives we want, but they are not progressives.
Not only looking. They're committed to voting for Mr. or Ms. Perfect in November, regardless of who's on the ballot. Something about refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore when, this time, the greater promises to be more evil than anything we've ever seen.
I can't pretend to understand where they're coming from. But, if taking that stand will help bring about a brokered convention, I'm all for it. Count me in. "If the GOP doesn't nominate a conservative, I'm voting third-party!" There. I did it.
I won't dispute that most people you know think that. It may be. But that's not a valid definition. If parentage matters like Birthers think (it doesn't, but for the sake of argument...) then the parents have to be citizens. The alternative is that parentage doesn't matter at all. If you are born in the country then you are a NBC.
The notion that the parents must be legal residents comes from a misunderstanding of the "under the jurisdiction" clause. That clause means someone who is subject to our law, and illegal residents are just as subject to the law as legal ones. Diplomats and invading soldiers are not under the jurisdiction of our law, because diplomats have diplomatic immunity from the law, and invading armies are subject to the laws of war, not of civil law.
I don't hate Rubio. He seems an affable fellow. I just don't think he is a solid conservative or impressive leader, particularly on immigration. Susana Martinez is more reliable and impressive, IMHO.
I can buy that, but when you say you can’t stand someone, I interpret that as hatred.
Is Rubio an NBC?
Haven’t you heard, we don’t interpret natural born citizen to be anything other than someone not born by Caesarean Section...the meaning of the founders is so vague and ambiguous, and if we had to do the Constitution over again today, we would never write it like that...even our Justices of the supreme court would not write it like it is. They tell us that every time they say it says something other than what a sixth grader would say it says.
And a convention to change it is so passe, and we would argue too much, so we are going to ignore the Constitution from now on, and Congress’s oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution really is just an acknowledgement that they have the job, and it is really to defend the general idea of a Constitution as it would look if it were written today...need I go on?
so gee whiz, I don’t think anybody cares if Rubio is NBS.
When it says, “Congress shall make no law” it really doesn’t mean “no” law, it means you can make laws but only a little at a time. You can abridge free speech, as when Rush speaks out, or religion, to make Catholics pay for rubbers, or taking without compensation, as when they take land from an property owner for a developer to put up a mall, or bearing arms, except that you can’t bear arms in many places because they don’t want to...like Illinois.
What possible difference does it make if Rubio is NBC if we are looking to international authority for wars...and we borrow money from China to pay to lazy slugs who won’t work in this country, so that we can tax the crap out of the workers to spread the wealth...
Would a foreign born president wreck our laws any worse than the entire government is wrecking them now?
We can’t even force people to prove who they are to vote...and Rubio has to be NBC? IF the voters need not prove citizenship to vote, why should a candidate have to prove citizenship to run?
This whole election is a sham and no one is going to change the direction in which this country is headed, least of all Mitt Romney. The social fabric of our nation has been irreversibly rent, and we are never going back to the freedom that we once had. We can pretend that we still have a choice, but when you see no Congressmen or Senators complaining at all about the usurpation of their power, who will defend the Republic?
What exactly is his or any candidate’s vision for the future? Where are going? What will we look like in 40 years? Without a common vision, there is no common effort.
We can’t even demand that the candidates are NBC.
I don’t care who the VP is. If Romney is the nominee, the ticket doesn’t get my vote.
I won’t sit in the back of the bus any more. Either the Tea Party drives it, or I find another ride.
I want to add, back in 2010 FR loved Rubio, he was the tea party candidate, we had to get ole establishment Charlie out. I donated several times, I campaigned for Rubio, from day one, when the Miami Herald said he had zero chance of beating Crist. I called him for bumper stickers and signs before they even had any. I was in from day one. He won, now he’s not good enough either. I guess we can pray for the ghost of Ronald Reagan to run.
I have no party... the republican party left me. I have donated over 100K to the republicans... went to Florida when gore tried to steal the election... manned phone banks... walked neighborhoods canvassing... never again.
Point well taken.
Let me be more explicit then:
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Well that settles it then. So I'll just ping him and let him know I think he is incorrect.
Me too, I've been complaining about the circular firing squad for a while now.
Sometimes I think we're our own worst enemy.
Hey, on this forum I’ve seen arguments made that Santorum, Romney, Rubio, Jindal, and McCain are ALL not qualified to be President. That sums up the sad state of conservatism these days.
Rubio is not qualified to be president. He’s a pretty face and nothing else. No experience whatsover to make anyone believe he could lead the country. The Cuban version of Obama if you ask me.
There is a raging controversy among constitutional scholars and others on this point, with many smart people on both sides.
My opinion is that we should not get into this by having a disputed VP candidate. It will sow doubt in the ranks of voters and undermine those on one side of the issue, who may be in the right.
We don’t need more controversial baggage in this fight. It will just provide more distraction from the real issues.
That may be......but he was not "Natural Born". The Constitution implies both parents must be Citizens of the Country at the time of the birth of the proposed Presidential contender. That's why the qualification factors for Presidents are different from Senators and Representatives. Here's what the Constitution says:
[Article II Section I] No person except a "natural born Citizen", or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The qualifying factor being....what I have underlined. The reason it says....Natural born citizen "OR" a citizen is simply because there is a great difference.
When the Constitution was adopted many qualified men who were being considered for the Presidency had been born of parents who were not citizens of the Country.....because the country had not existed yet. The framers knew this would eventually be sun setted (as time went on) because future presidential candidates would have no reason not to be children of citizens of this nation at the time of their birth. And.....that was the qualifier for the presidency (and not the House, the Senate nor the Supreme Court). You were not required to be a child of U.S. citizens at the time of your birth to hold these other offices. But to be called a "Natural Born Citizen" your parents must have been citizens as well.....at the time of your birth. The other elected (and appointed) offices of the Federal Government had no such requirement to be "Natural Born".
Now.....during the eighteenth century.....what did this term imply? What was its understanding among the populace? Here is what was written in 1758 by a Frenchmen, Emmerich de Vattel in his great work called "The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Laws". This work was read throughout the world and understood to be the common explanation for the term "Natural Born Citizen". Here is the defining paragraph:
[Book I, Chapter XIX, Section 212 "Citizens and Natives"]
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
For this very reason both Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal are neither one....."Natural Born Citizen". Their parents were not citizens at the time of their births.
This is also the reason the current occupant of the White House is not a "Natural Born Citizen". His father was a British subject at the time of his birth......and this is also the reason why his birth certificate controversy is such a waste of time. It makes no difference if he was born in Hawaii; Bozeman, Montana; Shangrila or the lobby of "Independance Hall in Philadelphia on the fourth of July with the Marine Corps band playing the National Anthem outside on the lawn. His father was not a citizen of this country and as such........he should have been vetted and disqualified. Unfortunately, no Republican had the cojones!
Now...........one more time for those in Rio Linda. You can be born in this country and be born a "Citizen"......but you are not considered a "Natural Born Citizen" unless both parents are citizens as well....at the time of your birth.
Sometimes I think we’re our own worst enemy.
We are. The DNC should just keep all their campaign donations, go on more lavish vacations, build new homes, etc. they needn’t worry. Republicans will do all of the work for them. Sometimes on FR I have to check and make sure I’m not on DU.
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