Skip to comments.Initial police report, Trayvon martin, George Zimmerman
Posted on 03/22/2012 6:26:34 PM PDT by marktwain
This is a link to a PDF file of the Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report (Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman)
(Excerpt) Read more at sanfordfl.gov ...
But the call log nails down the timeline, even if we have only her account of what he said and what she heard. If there's a trial, the jury will have to decide if she's believable, what to make of the timeline, and how it fits with other testimony.
“Zimmerman broke off the chase and headed back to his truck. Then the kid came back and attacked him.”
Do you have a source for this statement, other than Zimmerman? I thought that the neighbors heard the struggle in the back of their yards, which would not be the case if Zimmerman had gone back to his vehicle. Did Zimmerman break off the chase, or did Martin elude him? If a bad guy was chasing me, the element of surprise is something I would use to defend myself.
“It seems the Left is working double time to start a race riot and, yes, Freepers are buying it because they arent looking at the facts.”
I don’t like what the liberal media is doing, distorting this into a racial issue. But I am not going to defend Zimmerman’s actions. Zimmerman did everything a CCW holder is not supposed to do, and he is jeopardizing all the gains gun owners have made in recent years. From what I can tell, he violated many of the rules for Neighborhood Watch as well. He deserves a fair trial, but in the court of public opinion, I say throw him under the bus.
What legally did he do wrong?
I have read the whole thing and listened to all the calls.
There is no case here based on what is published. The only reasonable things left that should be investigated are how they ended up in the commons area behind the houses. And what was the shootee doing out there? Exercise? Fresh air? He was a guest and not a regular of the neighborhood.
the shooter went looking for him? Or was chased there?
There was obviously a physical confrontation and the man can be heard yelling for help before the gunshots. He has grass and on his back and is wet. He was down and on his back!
His previous call seems informative and his call history appears to prove he is a very aware citizen.
Looks like self defense to me. I don’t think they were making love in the grass unless the dead guys name is Help.
The ONLY other scenario I can conjure is that Zimmerman shot the kid out of rage and had the presence of mind to roll around in the grass and bloody himself up to make it look like a fight occurred. Otherwise, I agree with you Tenacious, this was pretty clear-cut self-defense and EXACTLY the reason for this state’s “Stand Your Ground” law.
“What legally did he do wrong?”
Zimmerman initiated a physical confrontation and then shot an unarmed man. Zimmerman is not LEO, he is not a licensed Security Guard, he was not on his own property, he did not observe a felony being committed. Zimmerman was engaged in an armed pursuit of someone who did nothing, at night, in the rain, and when the inevitable physical conflict ensued he shot the guy because he was getting his @$$ kicked. CCW holders are not allowed to initiate conflicts and then shoot people because they were afraid for their life. Zimmerman is not covered by the “Stand Your Ground” Law because he initiated all this. I believe that Martin was possibly covered by the Stand Your Ground because he was the one who was being pursued.
Hmmm? Suspicious = disposed to suspect something wrong
You don't recognize the individual. He/She seems interested in the houses. It's night time. There has been crime in the area.
I've called the police on some suspicious folks in my neighborhood following a couple of break ins. Turns out, one of the calls was some landscape workers taking a break at 7:30 PM on a Friday night. The other white guys were actually the burglars that broke into a house a few nights before. They were released because they had no evidence to hold them. They were "just looking at houses."
So, if you don't know what suspicious looks like, you sound predisposed to assume some sort of racism.
“Looks like self defense to me.”
I’d really be curious to know if the Zimmerman advocates are CCW holders or have ever taken a CCW class. From what I know, Zimmerman did everything wrong and should be held accountable.
6’-0” vs 6’-2” I musta made a mistake based on an earlier post and newspaper reporting.
The attached link shows the reference to 6’2”, and an embedded link includes a Fox news interview of the witness and 9-11 caller, indicating that Zimmerman was getting the shit kicked out of him on the ground.
Doesn’t exonorate Zimmerman, but maybe Jesse J and Zero best check out some reality before flying to Florida to join the Rev. Sharpton!
Your conclusion is filth.
Talking to someone, asking them about their business even if one is not neighborhood watch, is not only not a crime, it's not even offensive, as long as you have valid concerns.
Physically attacking someone is assault, and can get the attacker shot in self-defense, and no questions can be validly asked.
You reverse the two, and claim assault is a reasonable response to questioning. Just as bad, you lie about the questioning - because no evidence exists that any questions were ever asked.
You're all over these threads, race baiting and shoving Leftist speaking points wherever you can. You're a liar - about facts, and about reasoning. You're a paid shill, and and obvious one.
And you're lousy at your job.
Gentlemen or women,
I have to tell you. Based on the media I have heard about this (before today), I also assumed Zimmerman to be a nut that went looking for trouble.
I have now listened to the 911 calls, read all the reports, the hisotry of the neighborhood, etc that I can find. My mind has now changed. Both of you have embellished some scenarios beyond what has been reported as fact.
If you stay objective and just read the facts and especially listen to all the 911 calls as well as the police reports, you might find yourself scratching your head about the outrage (unless your are for some reason predisposed to assume racism on the part of all white people).
Unless an otherwise logical person is predisposed to assume racism in this case, I see no way to consider this a hate issue or crime. Where in the hell is the media connecting dots that makes this case such an outrage? Is it that the 6’3” 200 lb 17 year old didn’t have a weapon?
Can we get back to objective logic here? I keep a close eye on my neighborhood too. Especially since my wife’s SUV was broken into and my next door neighbor’s house was burglarized in the middle of the day. I can see myself calling 911 (and I have). I would also try to keep tabs on what was going on if I felt the was a potential threat in my neighborhood. Does that make me racists? What if the subject I am suspicious is also black, hispanic, white or asian? Am I still racist?
Come on! Act like Freepers.
Your excusing of Martin's assault of Zimmerman is utterly unsupported.
Witnesses say Martin "initiated" the physical confrontation by attacking Zimmerman, apparently for looking at him while calling in a suspicious person to the police.
That Martin was unarmed when he was shot is simply Martin's (last) mistake.
You are a lying, race-baiting shill, with the logic of a moron.
When did Mr. Zimmerman initiate a physical confrontation with Trayvon?
“initiated a physical confrontation “
Wow, to go up and ask someone what they’re doing is “initiating a physical confrontation “!
NO! NO! NO!
The initiation of a physical confrontation occurred after that.
The fellow could have said ‘none of your business’ and walked on - in which case Z is at fault if he didn’t allow him to do so;
or he could have become violent in which case Z acted legally.
You don’t know which happened.
CCW holders are not required to be dumb and still.
What do you know and where did you learn it? Before 2:00 PM today, I had only known what I heard and read on the news. Today, I investigated on my own and listened to all the 911 calls, read the police reports (with witness statements), and some history of both parties.
I would encourage you to go do the same. After conducting my own investigation my opinion of Zimmerman changed. I'm not saying he wasn't a justice zealot. But I don't see where he ever crossed over to vigalante. And I see no evidence in this case or any other 911 call that he ever made that he is racists (He is latino btw).
I am a CCW holder. That doesn't excuse bad behavior or justify a single thing ever. But I admit to wondering if some would jump to defense in fear of legal retribution for the perception that is out there in the media.
“You are a lying, race-baiting shill, with the logic of a moron.”
I have never mentioned race in any of these discussions, except to denounce the MSM for making this about race. Zimmerman’s actions reflect poorly on all gun owners and all CCW holders and that is the my only interest in this.
Zimmerman is simply a cop wanna be that went too far.
I missed that juicy tidbit. Please point me to the witness statement or CSI report that led an investigator to this speculation. I apparently have not researched everything if this glaring fact is out there.
This is not about Jackson, Obama or Sharpton. A 17-year-old boy is dead and people are flying to defend the shooter and oppose the reality check of an investigation and grand jury.
If someone's terrier had gotten loose and Zimmerman had shot it, more people would be outraged. If Zimmerman had been Officer Zimmerman, more people would be outraged.
Instead, people are asking what possible excuse this boy had to be out of doors at seven o'clock in the evening. I find that outrageous.
That's not what people are asking. They are asking why this racists white guy isn't in jail awaiting trial, conviction and execution for planning the murder of this innocent black child.
And that's the problem.
1) A very aware (boarding on paranoid) citizen sees something suspicious (the guy did not "live" in the neighborhood, there has been crime, it's night time). 2) Calmly call the police and can't initially tell if the guy is white or black for sure. He only answers the 911 operator affirmatively when the black male approaches him. 3) He stops following the suspicious male when the male takes off running according to the 911 calls. 4) There is a physical confrontation moments later that finds Zimmerman with a bloody nose, cut on the back of his head and wet grass on his back. 5) Witnesses testify to the white guy yelling for help and getting beat up. 6) Media fills in all the blanks for viewers and listeners with speculation.
Hopefully this is my last post on the subject, there being no point in arguing when none of us has sufficient facts. But speaking of sufficient facts, there's a map up-thread that shows where the shooting occurred. Looks to me like Zimmerman would not have driven his truck back there, but went on foot. I would ask you to consider -- not explain to me, mind you, but just consider -- how that squares with your assertion that he stopped following Martin when Martin took off.
Zimmerman broke off the chase and headed back to his truck. Then the kid came back and attacked him”
The cops apparently found it valid. Lets be real here. If Zimmerman were black this wouldn’t even be a story and you wouldn’t care what happened. A month down the road and Zimmerman is not yet arrested. That means there is no credible evidence of anything other than self defense.
Its too bad bad azz wannabe Zimmerman is an idiot and too bad little (6’2” 200lb) bad azz wannabe Trevayn was an idiot. Thats really all there is to this story.
Sorry if I did not elaborate. I have a retired highway patrol officer as a source. I asked if measurements were made at the scene. He said, no, the officer just estimates them, measurements are taken later.
I think that 3 inches and 40 lbs could be well within estimation range.
We do not have anyone in the media saying anything other than 140 pounds, but it seems very low for a 6 foot 3 inch teenager. Could be, we just do not know. We do have several reports that Trayvon was 6 foot 3 inches tall.
As it appears that the parents have insisted that his school records be sealed, we may have to wait until the autopsy report to get definite measurements for his height and weight.
It appears important to me because it changes the way that you look at George Zimmerman's defense.
It also says a bit about the credibility of the Martin partisans.
I think we have a tragedy of errors here. We have all looked at people who appeared to be acting strange, only to find that they were doing something while talking on a cell phone. It appears that Trayvon Martin was on a cell phone with a hands free device while he was walking in the strange neighborhood.
It would explain a bit why Zimmerman thought he was acting peculiarly.
Now that the teen is dead and so much is on the line, will they release any activity as a minor that Trayvon might have been into?
Don’t know, but what I’ve learned form this is that if you are being attacked by a black criminal, you’re better off shooting yourself.
More recent photos, needs to go viral:
I look out the window and judge the person walking across the street as “suspicious”. Well, he’s visiting you a few houses up the street.
Martin was not a stranger in the neighbourhood, having visited before, at least once right before he walked to the convenience store from where he was returning. A rash of burglaries in the neighbourhood. 40 in the past year, I read (correct the number if you know better.) What does the above say about the quality of the “work” performed by the volunteer crime watch captain, also an unemployed car wash professional, and a 9 year student at a two year college, who as someone else pointed out had an earring in at least one ear, and could have been easily mistaken by Martin as a stalking faggot? (I’ve seen those, haven’t you? They are the ones who look suspicious, as you return with a bottle of iced tea to the house where you’re staying.
From his FB page, now scrubbed. Someone copied ‘em. There were a lot more.
.................This is not about Jackson, Obama or Sharpton. A 17-year-old boy is dead and people are flying to defend the shooter and oppose the reality check of an investigation and grand jury. .....................
Thanks for your reply!
Sorry, I haven’t seen a media outlet where “a boy is dead and people are flying to defend the shooter”. Seems to me that a rope has been placed over the oak tree with Zimmerman marching to the tree with a noose around his neck!
All I see is that the town is about to be torched ah-la Rodney, “can’t we jus all jit along??”
Flat Tv’s, surround stereo, lots o’good pickins. Wonder if there be lots of cold Heineken?
The police did not charge the shooter. They had all the information that all the internet detectives lack. I’ll just go with the police on this one.
Id love to know where zimmermans truck was parked. That would tell so much.
The body is a long ways from any intersections were a sign would be.
also the 911 tape the long 14 min one with the hysterical lady.
She says they were behind her house talking.
then there was a fight.
Also most people know how a fight can travel.
It can start over here and end way over there.
And the 911 call with the loudest yelling in it.
Like right before the shot there is a really loud banging. You can here the house shake. That seems like a turning point in the fight to me. When zimmerman has had enough and was going for backup.
Go to Wikipedia and find more on this case.
Acually if you listen to 911-3.
At .23 - .30 secs you hear the yellers voice brace for impact from an object.
And hear an object thrown or slammed onto them.
911-2 the guy said they where on his porch.
I think this was what changed the situation.
The VERY FIRST THING you hear.
Is the yeller say “I’m waiting”
That is the very first thing. Its almost cut off.
Then is the dispatchers introduction.
I see that Zimmerman gave people a chance to help him.
Nobody came and he was getting his face smashed in with objects.
Seams like a reasonable action to shot.
I believe they can, because the privacy interest has been extinguished. I don't think Trayvon's criminal history, or lack thereof, is relevant to the incident, FWIW. Of course, I'm curious about his past, and would like to have that information.
I answered my own question. about where zimmerman parked his truck.
He said it would be by the mailboxes.
If you have a map of the area.
You’d know the mailboxes are directly across the street from the apartment Trayvan died behind.
So Is that where he was parked when he got out of the truck the first time??
Could he have really been walking back to his truck??
And not have made it.
we’ll soon see.