Skip to comments.Initial police report, Trayvon martin, George Zimmerman
Posted on 03/22/2012 6:26:34 PM PDT by marktwain
This is a link to a PDF file of the Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report (Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman)
(Excerpt) Read more at sanfordfl.gov ...
Show me where that’s in the reports.
There is so much irony in your Moynihan quote.
Martin was an invited guest of a resident and was there legally even though he did not reside there.
And, the very police documents linked herein have Martin at 6'0" not 6'3". And his FB nickname was slimm because he was skinny....
Tell us again about having the right to your own facts...you stated three of them and they were all wrong.
Looking at a street sign? Where did you find that? Show me.
The cops believed it.
I remember Election 2000 and how close we came.
A quote from one column (November 19, 2002) of Frum's I post often contains this (the quote is by Karenna Gore) and it's about the 2000 post-election day turmoil. It sure seemed to me that the Dems were ready to spark race riots -- which IMO the MSM would have demanded that Bush concede and bow to the "will of the people" (a phrase often included in MSM reports on the turmoil).
"He [Al Gore] said, 'We have to do what's best for the country, and it is not good for the country to have this kind of divisiveness.' And he was on the phone, really calling off the dogs. There were people who wanted to fan the
the flames of the racial issue and have real unrest. And he was on the phone asking them not to, because of what was best for the country not because of what was best for him politically. And that's really who he is."
That was my point genius....anybody can make stuff up...just like you did.
Everything we make up in this story, and everything, save the 911 calls and the police report, is made up, folks, if not by us than by the wannabe cop, everything then says more about us and our prejudices and wannabes than it says about the case.
And looking at the wannabe cop’s mug if he were in my neighbourhood carrying himself as he apparently did in Sanford, or if I were visiting that neighbourhood and saw him, I’d be inclined to consider him a suspicious character. (That’s full disclosure for ya!)
“Martin was an invited guest of a resident and was there legally even though he did not reside there.
And, the very police documents linked herein have Martin at 6’0” not 6’3”. And his FB nickname was slimm because he was skinny....”
Please continue your education of us poor dolts with the proof behind what you’re alleging here.
That's too funny. Everybody I knew nicknamed "slim" or "tiny" were huge.
You’re calling me a racist because I’ve changed my mind after reading the reports and listening to the 911 calls. Sorry, buddy, but I’m not. You throwing out the race card kinda makes me think you might be a troll.
Mr. Zimmerman by law doesn’t have “mind his own business” when it comes having burglaries happen in his neighborhood and then seeing suspicious-acting, unknown, people in his gated community.
Where did Mr. Zimmerman get the bloody nose? Where did he get the wet grass on the back side of his body? Both of those we observed and written down by the cops. Let’s go ahead and call them racist, too! Why was Mr. Zimmerman screaming for help?
Trayvon took off running away down the street from Mr. Zimmerman? From what I can see from the reports as soon as Mr. Zimmerman lost contact with Trayvon he hung up with 911 and headed back to his truck but never made it. Now how was it possible that Mr. Zimmerman found him? Or was it Trayvon found him? From what I can see Trayvon went around one of the condo buildings and doubled back. He jumped Mr. Zimmerman and attacked him. Trayvon had Mr. Zimmerman down on his back on the wet grass beating the snot out him while Mr. Zimmerman yelled for help. Did you listen to Mr. Zimmerman yelling for help on 911 call #3 or are you deaf? His screaming/yelling indicates to me he was in great distress to the point that his life was in danger. Was Mr. Zimmerman really attacking himself? Is there any indication of injuries sustained to Trayvon by Mr. Zimmerman? Would you please show us the reports of that if you think that’s what happened?
No slow one, throwing the word whitey around was the racist part, no one but you used it.
What specifically am I making up? You can accuse me all you want of making things up but you need to show evidence and justification for that. Only Leftists like to accuse and attack others without evidence.
Looking at a street sign? Where did you find that? Show me.
Unless you factor in the Croce definition.
So his photo convicts him of being a murderer?
There is nothing at all in any of the tapes that supports your fantasy about Martin surprising and attacking him.
You want to make that assertion ---- back it up with the transcript.
>> “You throwing out the race card kinda makes me think you might be a troll.” <<
The sun MIGHT rise in the east tomorrow morning too.
The Leftist media “reports” don’t count because they have an agenda. Show me in the 911 calls or the police reports.
More made up bilge, you do not know one word of that is true. The only thing you changed was getting crap beat out of him to snot, when he actually had no more damage than getting shoved down. LOL,
In Zimmerman’s first description he says “he might be black,” then, as it seems Trevon was getting closer to him, he said ‘he’s black.’ This didn’t begin with Zimmerman knowing the person who, in his estimation, was acting strangely was black; it was only a suspicion from what he could see initially, apparently from some distance. The killing may be a crime or not, I don’t know and am not about to judge, but it doesn’t sound racially motivated.
I think wannabe cop is the best description of Zimmerman.
I don’t believe that Zimmerman hunted this kid down and murdered him, and it is certainly possible that the kid attacked him. But when he called the police, Zimmerman was told to back off and let them do it. He was obviously not under any threat at that time and the police were on their way.
One of my kids is on the police force in a large Western city, and these “buffs” (wannabe cops who can’t pass the physical or psychological exams to get onto the force and often work as security guards or neighborhood watch people) are always lurking in the background.
I would think this could be manslaughter since I doubt that Zimmerman intended to kill the teenager. But there should be some charges.
Did I say that? Sorry, I must of lost my head.
What I said, was that his (Zimmerman’s) behaviour would be considered suspicious in my neighbourhood, which has a lot of young black and Latino males returning peacefully home from school.
Your Zimmerman has a police record, yes? The victim does not.
It’s pretty apparent, based on the 911 calls and the police reports, to me Trayvon attacked Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Zimmerman shot him in self defense. Show me otherwise.
Show me where I’m wrong. Just show me. Base it off of the 911 calls and the police reports please. Not just your “feelings.”
Listen to call #3. Who is screaming their head off for help? Trayvon? Where did Mr. Zimmerman’s bloody nose come from? How did he get the wet grass on the back side of his body?
Show me where I’m wrong.
I guess you missed the part where I referenced the police documents linked in this thread...I guess you didn't bother to check them out before spouting.
As for his FB page...that too is easy to find but I'll make it even easier for you...
Take a look at this monster...
You haven’t been following the story. The kid and his father were guests of the father’s girlfriend who lived in the neighborhood. So, yes, he had a right to be there.
The electronic lynching by the Leftist media has already started. You seem to look forward in him getting physically lynched by a Black(?) lynch mob. That’s the purest form of a democracy - the lynch mob - and is a very good reason why the Founding Fathers hated democracy.
You can't because you made it up...the tapes say no such thing.
So you approve of Trayvon attacking Mr. Zimmerman and beating him? Would you like to see more Black people beating Whitey?
“He was staying with people that lived there, he was a guest. And his size does not matter. And who people have over to their homes is still no one business but theirs. Was there a sign up somewhere that said check in with Zimmerman. As a clue for you they do not ask for id at a gated community. If it has guards, all they do is look at your car sticker. Dang.”
It’s intriguing to me that this seems so intensely personal to you. Are you the brother of Martin? Do you share a father? Are you the person who has a home where Martin was staying? Or are you just a homeless person with a laptop jonesing off somebody’s internet connection at the gated community? Your laptop is probably getting low on power by now. Do you have a john the generator?
The cops believed it.
And we on FR are all agreed that the police are always competent, always honest, always hard-working.
Look, I work EMS, so that’s medical not police, but to me Zimmerman has psychologically needy attention-seeker written all over him (more than forty 911 calls in a year.) Instead of being sick and needing an ambulance ride, he sees suspicious people and crimes about to happen.
Listen to his 911 call, his voice shaking with adrenaline, his frustration, anger, venom, his mood shifts. He sought out that confrontation.
Who took it to the physical level first, I do not know. What would you do if you were a 17 y.o. boy being followed, stalked, approached, by a visibly unbalanced man? Isn’t that how it must have seemed to Trayvon Martin?
Listen to Zimmerman shouting for help in the 911 call from the woman witness. His voice is deep, controlled, rhythmic. Not shrill, panicked, desperate. Not thinking he’s going to die. His injuries were trivial.
Zimmerman is morally culpable for provoking this confrontation. I would hold him civilly liable. Criminally liable? The police did a piss-poor investigation. Just because someone says self-defense doesn’t make it so. They didn’t test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. Didn’t get a crime reconstruction team there. If Martin had had a juvenile record, I would have expected them to release it in the early days to cover themselves. Now of course it would be politically inexpedient.
The day of the incident in late February was still standard time. Sunset was around 6:30 p.m. or a few minutes earlier.
Why? Because Al Sharpton said so?
“I dont believe that Zimmerman hunted this kid down and murdered him, and it is certainly possible that the kid attacked him. But when he called the police, Zimmerman was told to back off and let them do it. He was obviously not under any threat at that time and the police were on their way.”
Mr. Zimmerman was not commanded by 911 to break off following him. It was just a suggestion. Shortly thereafter Trayvon ran off and Mr. Zimmerman headed back to his truck.
Newbie, I do not think you will last through year two. I just oppose all ignorance and you are dishing a lot of it out.
Mr. Zimmerman lived in that gated community. Trayvon did not.
Mr. Zimmerman saw an unidentifiable and suspicious-acting man in the neighborhood where several recent burglaries had taken place. He was concerned that this guy might burgle a home so he did what any concerned citizen would do...keep an eye on him. Is there a law against that?
Then Trayvon ran off out of sight. I and most cops would consider that suspicious. If the cops were there and watched him run off like that they would have taken off after him in hot pursuit. Mr. Zimmerman did not.
Police report describes him as 6’ feet, not 6’2”.
Police report also lists him at 160 lbs. That’s not the big bad black football player that you have nightmares about.
So it was about 45 minutes after sunset. It’s dark by then usually with just the small, fading glow right before it is completely dark.
That would make Trayvon seem more suspicious to the Mr. Zimmerman.
During an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper on AC360, Taaffe said that a problem could have been avoided if Martin had been “up front and truthful” with Zimmerman.
Taaffe told NBC Miami that there had been eight burglaries within 15 months, which he said set the stage for Zimmerman’s heightened suspicion. He said safety, not race, was Zimmerman’s main concern.
“George is a congenial, admirable person,” he told the news outlet. “He had a passion and care for this neighborhood, to ensure the safety of everybody here.”
“Newbie, I do not think you will last through year two. I just oppose all ignorance and you are dishing a lot of it out.”
Sorry puppy. Number 1, I’m not a noobie.
Number 2, I just saw a report on one of your networks (CBS) stating that Zimmerman has not been arrested because there is evidence backing up his version of the story.
Keep trying though, newbie troll.
The media makes things up to or were you not aware of that?
A cursory review of Zimmerman’s 911 calls since 2004 indicates he reported many more white/hispanic male subjects to the police, than black.
Might be relevant to his state of mind.
I keep thinking of that opening scene in the movie “Crash”, ‘
One of the carjackers complains,
“You couldnt find a whiter, safer or better lit part of this city. But this white woman sees two black guys who look like UCLA students strolling down the sidewalk and her reaction is blind fear.
Right before they carjack a white couple.
But it would not make Martin or his actions any less innocent.
Still waiting for you to back up your fantasy playbook with actual documentation. But we know that you can't.
A recent picture of the kid which was given out at his memorial. I’m sure the MSM could find it if I can. But that picture doen’t fit with their agenda.