Posted on 03/22/2012 6:27:59 PM PDT by true believer forever
Rick Santorum's latest attempt to use a Mitt Romney aide's "Etch-A-Sketch" remark against the Republican front-runner instead gave his rival a chance to fire back on Thursday, after Santorum seemed to say he'd rather see President Obama reelected than send Romney to the White House.
Speaking at an event in Texas, Santorum again made the case that Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom's comments Wednesday on CNN about a "reset" of the campaign if Romney clinched the nomination showed the former Massachusetts governor's efforts to appeal to conservatives were insincere.
"You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told a crowd in San Antonio, according to NBC News. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch-A-Sketch candidate of the future."
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
I'll take Romney for $500 Alex...
Anyone who thinks Obama and Romney are the same is smoking something that you need a Medical Marijuana Card to buy.
Obama is the worst President EVER. Carter is the second worst President EVER. If Mitt wins the Primary and the General and he is everything “Moderate” that we expect he might be, he would still only be the third worst President EVER.
I'll take number three over number one any day of the week if Mitt is the last man standing. Newt will be my guy until the fat lady sings in Tampa. As Mark Levin says, I would vote for a can of Orange Juice over Obama.
Did I answer your question? Oh yeah, I'll take my chances with Mitt picking the next two or three SCOTUS Nominees over the Commies Obama would pick in a heartbeat. We have a chance to influence Romney's choices. With Obama we don't.
That is the direct quote being reported in the press. If you got a different source you better post it Santorum is drowning fast.
Would love to see the video. It would clear this issue up real fast.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/22/santorum-might-as-well-have-obama-over-romney/
Yeah, I remember way back, when I saw statements like this, only Clinton was there instead of Obama.
Exactly how the heck is Romney different than Obama? Romney ran LEFT of Kennedy. Romney pooh-poohed Reagan. Romney still supports RomneyCare. Romney’s advisors advised Obama’s staff on ObamaCare. Romney supports manmade global warming, etc.
So Romney becomes President. How the heck do we control him?
Here's the facts: Romney will be the GOP nominee, and he will be a far sight better than obama. Santorum will go back to being substitute rino for Bill Bennett's rather autistic excuse for a talk show on Friday mornings when Bill just isn't up to showing up.
There. Now you don't have to try to stay up past your bedtime to see how it all turns out.
Well, thanks for answering my question. I kinda like what PAConservative1 has to say above. Note that everyone is logging on as a ‘conservative’.
2012 is going to be a liberal vs. a liberal. Sure, Slick Willard might be a little less offensive of a liberal than Hussein, but at the end of the day hes still a liberal. So if hypothetically conservatives try to drag him across the finish line, well have a liberal for 4 years. Then in 2016, the Dems will obviously nominate another liberal, so it would be liberal vs. liberal AGAIN.
Id rather have a liberal now and get a true conservative in 2016 then two liberals in a row, even if they do have an (R) next to their name!
390 posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:09:41 PM by PAConservative1
OK, than please tell me Romeny is different from Obama?
RomneyCare?
His belief in manmade Global Warming?
Nominating liberal judges?
Gay marriage?
Learn to read. Nowhere in that article does it say Santorum said “I’m going to vote for Obama.”
Keep campaigning for Obama. That just makes me want to vote against Obama more.
Okay, all good points, but how about this. I have been doing some deep political thinking, be prepared to be underwhelmed :)
I think a lot of people would agree with these 2 things:
1) If romney got in, he would at least, get the locomotive of the private sector back on the tracks. I think Donald Trump would keep him honest there... and there are thin spots there, I know, but in general, he would get the engine of the private sector going. 2) He would diddle with obamacare, start putting the brakes on, at least, not a repeal like, say, Newt, promised. but he would put some breaks on, and with a stalwart senate and house, might even do more...
Both of those are generally speaking...
but then, how about this:
Romney, if he wins, could be the best things that ever happened to the true GOP conservatives...
With all this talk about newt going to the convention, I started to do some reading about the last time that happened, and it seems Reagan ran a primary challenge to Gerald Ford. He didn't beat him, but he did make a pretty strong showing - not sure about the details of that, just getting familiar with that whole event.
But, if romney gets in, and he will need all republicans to do that, but if the conservatives start on January 21, 2013, to develop, organize, grow and put in a place a primary challenge to him immediately, they could get a pretty impressive, noncompromised plan in place.
In the meantime, Romney will have at least slowed things down, and the true patriots could get there ducks in a row, and there are some very pretty conservative ducks that could be lined up... and this time, do it right.
Anyway, from the caverns of my mind and corners of my heart, I came up with this... probably really dumb and naive... but I thought it might have some merit.
All I know is, the thought of a primary challenge to romney would motivate almost as much as Newt does.
To be clear: I believe Newt will win. He is going to the convention. He has what it takes...
time to come together and throw the bum out....
Mandate-UnCare, is nothing more than a Federal Labor Camp, CONCENTRATED right on the body.
Concentrated Camp.
I think like you say that the boy wonder in office now hates us and the country....Romney doesn’t hate us or the country....will cringe with him in office but I can at least sleep at night...
Perry and Herman Cain have had brain freezes, and most of the candidates, including Romney, have had gaffes, but not Rick, at least not until lately.
imo, Rick is working too hard, and should realize he can’t win the battle without getting enough sleep.
Here’s an interesting commentary and video on this subject:
“Would he really settle for Obama over Romney? I dont believe it. It is so absurd that I tend to think he got something mixed up in his head and it didnt come out the way he meant it. Because its just not true and Ive heard him say otherwise beforehand.”
excerpt http://www.therightscoop.com/rick-santorum-prefers-obama-over-mitt-romney/
Click above link if interested in more commentary, and to view video.
Well of course the media said Clinton was a centrist blah blah Yeah sure that monster put in hundreds if not thousands of liberal judges that are still doing damage to the U.S. and it also put 2 liberal supreme court justices on the Supreme Court, let illegals reach critical mass. this monster Clinton set the infrastructure for the decline we see now in the U.S.
And FDR we all know about it's socialist revolution.
I tell you all of these democrats are evil marxists enemies of America.
How about this. I have been doing some deep political thinking, be prepared to be underwhelmed :)
I think a lot of people would agree with these 2 things:
1) If romney got in, he would at least, get the locomotive of the private sector back on the tracks. I think Donald Trump would keep him honest there... and there are thin spots there, I know, but in general, he would get the engine of the private sector going. 2) He would diddle with obamacare, start putting the brakes on, at least, not a repeal like, say, Newt, promised. but he would put some breaks on, and with a stalwart senate and house, might even do more...
Both of those are generally speaking...
but then, how about this:
Romney, if he wins, could be the best things that ever happened to the true GOP conservatives...
With all this talk about newt going to the convention, I started to do some reading about the last time that happened, and it seems Reagan ran a primary challenge to Gerald Ford. He didn’t beat him, but he did make a pretty strong showing - not sure about the details of that, just getting familiar with that whole event.
But, if romney gets in, and he will need all republicans to do that, but if the conservatives start on January 21, 2013, to develop, organize, grow and put in a place a primary challenge to him immediately, they could get a pretty impressive, noncompromised plan in place.
In the meantime, Romney will have at least slowed things down, and the true patriots could get there ducks in a row, and there are some very pretty conservative ducks that could be lined up... and this time, do it right.
Anyway, from the caverns of my mind and corners of my heart, I came up with this... probably really dumb and naive... but I thought it might have some merit.
All I know is, the thought of a primary challenge to romney would motivate almost as much as Newt does.
To be clear: I believe Newt will win. He is going to the convention. He has what it takes...
It is called reading comprehension. I call his comment Treasonous to his Party if Mittens is the nominee.
He said we should stay with what we have(obammy) instead of taking a risk of what may net the EtchASketch Candidate(Mittens)
Santorum added: If theyre going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk of what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate for the future.
I think it’s obvious that I did not really mean everybody.
But it does seem to be the general sentiment around here.
Oh yeah, are you guaranteeing that another four years of Obama will result in a Conservative Republican Victory in 2016? If you are wrong, and I think you are taking a 50/50 chance of being wrong, what's next, cooking up Jim Jones tried and true Kool Aid Recipe?
I’ll vote for Romney knowing that the result will eventually be the same as with Obama. The difference between Obama and Romney is that Obama actually wants our constitutional republic to collapse. With Romney, it would simply be a byproduct of his own brand of socialism.
As I’ve stated before on FR, Obama’s second Term would be remembered as the “Nothing to Lose” years. His first term is already worse than any of us would have ever imagined. Well, maybe not. Nothing that Commie wannabe does is surprising anymore.
—”He is right! I will never vote for Romney! Romney will lose big time to Hussein. No more Rinos.”
OK, so you won’t vote for Milt Rummy, but you would vote for Obama?
I’m asking you because it looks like those are your two choices. Not voting is not a choice. A conservative not voting is one less vote for against Obama. Do you understand that?
I liked Michelle Bachmann until she became kooky and I liked Clarence Thomas II (aka Herman Cain), until the media pulled a Clarence Thomas on him. So what’s left? Not vote for the Repub choice? That’s a vote for Oblamer.
Thanks for the reply. I am sure there will be a thread going Saturday to follow your primary in LA. Be sure to post about your precinct and turn out. Please ping me too.
I sure hope those who support Romney and Santorum will re-consider and realize that Newt is the strongest and most conservative. Newt is also the one the DEMS and the MSM do not want to face Obama in November!
I sure hope those who support Romney and Santorum will re-consider and realize that Newt is the strongest and most conservative. Newt is also the one the DEMS and the MSM do not want to face Obama in November!
Newt issued a statement that Santorum was “dead wrong” to say this.
Sorry, I’m one who believes that this Country would not survive another four years of Obama.
***Well, then you pay your money and ya makes yer choice.
Sure, the USA will still exist in name, but we as a people will be a hollow shell of what made our Country the greatest that ever existed in history.
***We already are, thanks to Libs AND RINOs.
Oh yeah, are you guaranteeing
***WTF? Who am I to guarantee anything?
that another four years of Obama will result in a Conservative Republican Victory in 2016?
***Classic false dilemma argument. Here’s a false dilemma argument for you: If most of Gingrich’s support would fall to Romney when he drops out, then what good is he?
If you are wrong, and I think you are taking a 50/50 chance of being wrong, what’s next, cooking up Jim Jones tried and true Kool Aid Recipe?
***If you are wrong, and I think you are taking a 70/30 chance of being wrong, what’s next, Newt begging for 5 states so he can make a difference on the convention ballot other than being a spoiler? Why is it that several Newt supporters have publicly asked him to drop out, even here on FR? It’s because he’s a spoiler; he isn’t in this to promote conservatism any more — he’s promoting Newt.
JUST SAY NO : To John McCain (and ANY “conservative” who endorses him)Great plan! It worked so well in 2008.we need to divert ALL of our time/money that would normally be spent on the presidential race to the CONGRESSIONAL RACES... and here is why.. we MUST take back congress to keep the HildaBEAST or Obama in check.. there are several obvious reasons for this.. but I would like to point out ONE important but not so obvious reason... and this should help ease the conscience of anyone who THINKS they are “supporting” Obama or the HildaBEAST by voting for him/her... not only will a lopsided “victory” actually be —> GLOWING defeat...<— the conservatives in congress will be EMPOWERED to aggressively oppose her administration because they will be able to say.. “Yes, I voted FOR you because the RNC candidate was unacceptable..” -— think about this way.. HOWEVER, IF we support McCain, and he actually is able to win (which I doubt) the conservatives in congress will feel OBLIGATED to support his agenda, and it WILL be the END of our TWO-PARTY SYSTEM... This is the MAIN reason why a THIRD-Party approach to 2008 is UNACCEPTABLE... IMHO..
JUST SAY NO : To a third PARTY.. (Republican Party is NOT dead — YET)
I feel that the solution to the McCain factor is for CONSERVATIVES TO SUPPORT THE HILDABEAST OR OBAMA !! — while at the same time PUSHING HARD to take back the House/Senate... what will happen is this.. we will send the message LOUD/CLEAR that our party is NOT DEAD — but in serious need of some TOUGH LOVE !!
What I would LOVE to see is a lopsided victory for the HildaBeast or Obama as we take over control of congress to keep said President in check..
I recall in one of the debates the candidates were asked if they supported SOPA. All but Rick said they did not support it in any form. Rick said he didn’t support it in it’s current form but did support the idea.
Rick also supports means testing for social security and has stated as much in the last few months.
Do you support either of these?
The world’s gone crazy. Prayer is in order. That’s about all that can save us now.
What a disaster this campaign has become.
Everyone says the same thing here, but then when Santorum says it, its terrible.
Everyone does say the same thing here, and it is terrible. How did FR become a cheerleading section for Obama? Disgusting!
Everybody here is now all of a sudden so outraged at Rick Santorum (who simply articulated what many folks have been saying here on FR for months about Romney being no better than Obama), yet I’m FAR more pissed off over the comments by Romney’s spokesman. He outright admitted what conservatives have suspected all along... that Mitt is only trying to sound conservative right now just to do whatever he needs to do to wrap up the Republican nomination and then the GOP establishment will “reset” him during the general election and have him campaign as a moderate.
I used to think there was a major difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.
I no longer think so.
And it makes me absolutely furious.
No one is going to scare me into voting for a man with a record to the left of Bill Clinton who lies, flop flops and uses the same sleazy tactics as the original Slick Willie.
Romney will destroy the Republican party and cause far more damage the either Bush did.
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Santorum is finished in the Republican party and with the Tea Party.
BS. If he does not get this nomination, he is next in line. And if you tell me I am crazy than look around. Everyone screamed for years....NO WAY Romney and he got it. NO WAY McCain and he got it. The system stinks but at least next round we will have an even better Rick Santorum.
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There’s no way the Republican Party would put Rick Santorum next in line for the presidential nomination in 2016 or 2020. He’s a social conservative and the GOP establishment wants nothing to do with that because they don’t think social conservatives are electable. I would be willing to bet the next candidates being groomed by the establishment as a future presidential nominee are (in no particular order):
Mitch Daniels
Tim Pawlenty
Jeb Bush
Disgusting, isn’t it?
Rick, say it aint so.
And, result in the most conservative Congress we have seen in our lifetimes.
Romney with, ultimately, a Democratic majority in Congress or a lame-duck Obama with growing conservative Republican majority? I'll take the latter.
But, a Romney Presidency wouldn't be. The Republican party and conservative movement will be in worse shape than after the Bush Presidency and all we'll have is Romneycare and a VAT tax to show for it.
Or you could find your second win, and sign on with Newt. He's going to the convention. And there's going to be a showdown. He'll do it, count on it. Just a suggestion.
Newt's campaign has made national phone banks available for contacting voters in Louisiana. It includes an online call access center, and a simple script to follow. This is one way to offset Romney, and Santorum's ground game in Louisiana.
If you are a Newt supporter, please consider doing national calls for Newt. He has been hit big time from all sides lately. I believe he will endure. Thank you very much.
http://www.newtsnetwork.com -- Click on MAKE THE CALL.
Even if you are shy, after the first few calls, you'll relax and even start to like it. There were 150,000 calls made into SC, and Newt later said the phones and the grassroots played a major role in his Carolina success. Please do what you can. One hour equals about 10 calls. If everyone who reads this, and who supports Newt, would make calls, and ask others to do so, also, we could make a huge difference before the voting starts.
And don't forget to donate, you can buy a Newt gallon for a $2.50 donation. The gallons are bringing more and more new people on board each day, who really can't afford more than $2.50 at a time.
Phone calls, gallons, signs in yards, they are all important and cheap and easy to do!
www.newt.org/donate
That sounds like something you're happy about...
No, what they don't like and what real conservatives don't like is that Romney is ONLY winning because he has money. If he didn't, he'd be a second-tier candidate no one remembers like Jon Huntsman.
Like I have been saying, he ain't got the chops for the job...
What load of crap:
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Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)
Rated 100% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Rated 81% by NTU, indicating a "Taxpayer's Friend" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)
Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997) Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Conclusion:
Rick Santorum is a Hard-Core Conservative.
When Romney ends up being the nominee, will FR zot everyone?
(OKAY - Not sure how to respond to that. Obama isn't my choice)
Sure, the USA will still exist in name, but we as a people will be a hollow shell of what made our Country the greatest that ever existed in history.
***We already are, thanks to Libs AND RINOs.
(AGREED - I don't like RINOS either, but I hate Marxists)
Oh yeah, are you guaranteeing
***WTF? Who am I to guarantee anything?
(You came up with the idea that another four years of Obama would mean a Conservative Victory in 2016. Are you saying you don't stand behind your own rhetoric? I will substitute the word “believe” for “guarantee” if that helps)
that another four years of Obama will result in a Conservative Republican Victory in 2016?
***Classic false dilemma argument. Heres a false dilemma argument for you: If most of Gingrichs support would fall to Romney when he drops out, then what good is he?
(I didn't mean to provide a false premise. You stated the idea that 2016 would result in a Republican Victory after another four years of Obama, no? I will have to go back and reread your original post to see if I misunderstood)
If you are wrong, and I think you are taking a 50/50 chance of being wrong, whats next, cooking up Jim Jones tried and true Kool Aid Recipe?
***If you are wrong, and I think you are taking a 70/30 chance of being wrong, whats next, Newt begging for 5 states so he can make a difference on the convention ballot other than being a spoiler? Why is it that several Newt supporters have publicly asked him to drop out, even here on FR? Its because hes a spoiler; he isnt in this to promote conservatism any more hes promoting Newt.
(Sorry, I don't agree that Newt is a Spoiler. If you think he is just promoting Newt, I would ask to what end? Fame, fortune, pissing off Santorum supporters? Unfortunately Rick will implode since he has a nasty habit of tripping over his tongue and saying things that will come back to bite him in the butt should he become the Republican Nominee. I thought Romney was the gaffe king, now Santorum is giving him a run for his money. BTW - I don't agree with “several Newt supporters” who think he should drop out, I speak for myself. When the Primary season ends we will know what's in store for the Convention. Who will mix it up, Newt, Palin, Mittens, who knows?)
Oh boy I am gonna need the flame suit. The Social and Economic conservatives got split. Reagan was both. Same dang thing Huckabee screwed Thompson maybe even more than his lack of energy. For better or worse faith based Conservatives are voting for the man or woman that is more faith centric. This is the 2nd time it has been nothing but a spoiler from a macro view.
As I see it, the nation would easily survive four or even eight years of Romney in the whitehouse; it would not survive another four years of Obama. There would be no pieces left for anybody to try to pick up or put back together four years down the road. My first choice in the thing is Newt, but that starts to look like wishful thinking at this juncture.
Kevmo, just reread your statement (above) and upon reflection I read more into it than your words meant to convey. I still disagree that after another four years of Obama we will “get a true conservative in 2016”, but if that is your belief so be it. Obama is not just a Liberal, he is a tried and true Marxist masquerading as a typical modern Democrat.
My apologies for reading too much into your original post...
This is the same “conservative” who, in Michigan, asked Democrats to switch parties in the primary and vote for him.
I liked him at first, now I’ve lost most of my respect for him. I’m glad we have had this long primary.
We’re screwed. I can’t do anything about it but I can go to the next g_n show and buy more lead throwers. It’s gonna hit the fan sooner (Obama wins) or later (Romney wins).
Thanks to Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, and North Dakota for voting for this idiot over Newt.
Just absolutely stupid voters.
Yep but the Newters eat up any out-of-context Santorum quote the MSM dishes out and peppers it with insults like “Bible Boy” and “Saint Rick.”
I will NOT vote for Romney if Rick or Newt is not the nominee. I might even write in Ron Paul as a metaphorical FU to the GOP-E.
To do so would be to reward Mitt’s horrendous anti-conservative campaign.
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