Posted on 03/22/2012 8:17:42 PM PDT by marktwain
Sorry, I expect you to go suck that egg, so I’m not playing ring around the racebaiting for you.
“It seems almost like outside forces are trying to Maumau our “Stand Your Ground” law....”
HOLDER in 1995:
“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.”
All th facts are not in... we can agree on nothing.
I merely made a point that the picture of the boy that is all over the media does not look like a 17 year old and I doubt it is...
This has become more of a story about national political correctness and race...rather than a “local” issue as it should have remained.
That’s exactly my point. These two bimbos are lying. They didn’t see anything except Zimmerman walking around afterwards. Perhaps he might have gotten down on his knees to check the kid’s pulse. But the idea of him being on top of the kid, sitting on his back and shooting him in the chest is ludicrous. Hopefully, the cops should be able to tell by the angle of the bullet who was where.
“Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
And you believe it. Why? “
Maybe he believes the statement because it’s backed up with the evidence found by the investigating officers, which apparently includes both physical evidence, testimony, and recordings from the 911 calls.
I guess your race baiting ignorance gives you license to just dismiss these little facts but lets be clear. You have NOTHING to support your position. The police have actual EVIDENCE.
Releasing the specifics of this information probably would have gone a long way in preventing the upcoming riots when Zimmerman is found not guilty.
I’m no neighborhood watchman but I have an idea of my neighbors, their cars and such. I would make it my business to pay attention to an unknown walking at dark in the rain in my neighborhood. And if that person threw up his hoodie when he realized I was watching him—I would become more alarmed. If he started to run, I would most definitely be calling the police.
If that is paranoid or odd—well then, I’m paranoid and odd.
There is another eyewitness that claims Martin was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was screaming for help.
My first supposition when this story broke was that this kid, Martin, was out that night to buy drugs and that that was the main reason he was scared about Zimmerman following him.
Why? Well, it’s Sanford for one. Drug candystore of Central Florida.
This kid was out on a mission to 7/11. In the rain. The closest 7/11 is almost two miles away. A round trip walk in the dark close to 4 miles. There is a neighborhood “corner store” that is a little closer but I think that they roll up the sidewalks early and shutter their doors and windows to avoid any early evening druggies looking to heist. A walk to either store provides lots of opportunities to buy drugs.
And then there is the week-long suspension from school that brought Martin to Anacostia on the St Johns to begin with. A week long suspension for being late to class. I find that hard to believe but it is Miami and they’ve about reached the end of their rope when it comes to tolerating misbehavior. Maybe Soldierdad can comment on that.
Hopefully the cops have been searching the complex area for drugs during their search for clues.
I can't speak to that school district's policy, or to that particular student's attendance record. I do know by experience that students can and are suspended for nonsense reasons. My sons (2) received three day suspensions for fighting while in high school. The "fight" occurred after school while they waited for their mother to pick them up. The "fight" consisted of the two of them arguing over, if I recall correctly, an article of clothing that one had borrowed from the other. There were no punches thrown. They did not posture towards each other. It was simply an argument between siblings. It was witnessed by a campus monitor, who called for the youth service officer, who took the two of them to the principal, and they were suspended. At one of the elementary schools I work at (different district) a second grade student was suspended for five days for bringing a butter knife to school. I read a story about a kindergarten student being suspended for five days for a drawing dipicting a hunting scene. There was a recent story about a father who was arrested because his daughter had drawn a picture of a gun. Do schools go overboard? Yes. Sometimes they do.
Hasn’t Zimmerman admitted that he shot and killed Trayton?
Yes, if George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin, he would have an incentive to lie. The facts are, though, that nothing in the physical evidence contradicts his statements.
What I find particularly telling is his unsolicited statement to the police, shortly after their arrival: I called for help, but nobody came.
This is collaborated by the tapes. The Martin partisans have been saying that it was Martin calling for help. It would take a sociopath genius to come up with the idea of saying that he was calling for help when it was the other guy.
People are innocent in this country until proved guilty. I do not see any proof that contradicts George Zimmermans statements.
I suspect that Trayvon Martin saw George Zimmerman following him, and was scared. But, instead of getting away, he saw a chance to attack someone he saw as a threat, and took it.
What I don’t get is why the police released the 911 call with Zimmerman’s home address in it.
I believe that this person’s property, possibly his life, is in danger.
Anyone with a PC can YouTube the 911 call and find this place now.
It's everything else that has people in an uproar.
From what I have read so far, Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot Trayvon. The initial police investigation was correct in not having enough to arrest him on and plenty to defend himself with under "stand your ground".
Sorry Trayvon, but you learned the hard way that you can't throw a beat down on someone just because they ask you what you are doing skulking about their gated community...
Police report from the scene says Zimmerman has a bloody nose and a wound in the back of his head.. This is consistent with it being Martin who was on top beating Zimmerman, rather than the reverse. There is also no report of Martin's body displaying any injuries other than the single shot which killed him.
In the linked article, Lamilla is describing that AFTER she hears the gunshot, she claims to see Zimmerman on his knees above Martin.
This is consistent with the following scenario: Martin is on top, beating Zimmerman (accounts for Zimmerman's broken nose and wound to back of head, probably from hitting the ground after being attacked). Zimmerman shoots Martin. Martin drops. Zimmerman starts to get up, first rising to his knees, which is the scene Lamilla describes.
It'd be very instructive to see a transcript of those interviews. Along with the investigation teams interview with Zimmerman at the PD station.
At least, it'd be a lot more instructive than rehashing the fire-hose stream of flame-war crap coming from most news media outlets.
There has never been any question that Zimmerman shot this guy ( note I did not say Kid—someone six feet tall is no child.)
I just wish the media would keep their uninformed opinions to themselves. I listened to A Cooper last night and his side comments were just horrible.
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It is even more consistent with this scenario....
Martin was walking to his dad's GF's house after buying candy at a local store (known truth).
Martin was unarmed (known truth).
Zimmerman followed Martin in his car (known truth). btw...how slow do you have to drive to stay behind somebody on foot? what do you think the person on foot thinks about the vehicle stalking him?
Zimmerman was armed (known truth).
Martin ran (known truth). btw...this is exactly what a teen or anybody being followed by an adult in a car should do.
Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin (known truth).
In all these known truths Zimmerman was the armed pursuer and Martin was the unarmed pursued -- and he tried to get away.
Given these known truths it is far more likely a scenario that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, continued his aggressive behavior, Martin defended himself from the grown man with a gun and got the upper hand.
Schools have gotten a lot of heat over the fact that black students are suspended and disciplined more than whites. This creates a big incentive to discipline white students for even the smallest infraction, while not suspending black students except for the most serious issues, in order to get their "numbers" good.
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