Posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Ever since his CPAC Keynote Address in 2010, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) has been one of the gold standards of modern American political conservatism. He has also been widely hailed as a political model for conservative African American politicians. And now, following recent revelations surrounding the highly suspicious shooting of Trayvon Martin, Rep. West has joined a growing bipartisan consensus calling for the case to be reopened, possibly even with Federal assistance. West’s statement, put out today by Talking Points Memo, resonates with controlled fury (emphasis added):
itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder. Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.
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No, I wasn’t there as I have stated in another post, the same post in which I stated that I am guessing what happened because I wasn’t there, and because the media is only presenting it biased side of the story.
Why don’t you read it, or is your head in the sand?
I was simply paraphrasing form the pdf police report.
Furthermore, it’s quite obvious that the police believe his side of the story, or he would be in jail, wouldn’t he? Yes, yes he would.
And I don’t fear an outside investigation, but I’ll say right here and now that the Departmant of Black Justice can go **** itself, and so can the Black Panthers, and so can Al Sharpton, and so can Louis Farakan.
But I’m not going to tell you to do that, because you have simply bought into the media driven frenzy on this, and while it pisses me off, I can understand that.
What I am going to tell you is that the media and the government is purposely trying to turn this justified homicide into a hate crime murder, and it’s hoping for riots, and I suggest you wake up.
I'll try to be gentle here. When one stakes a position that is opposite to the postion of another, that is an argument. It is quite obvious from your initial post to me that you disagreed with my post #2. And, you made that argument through the use of sarcasm. Sarcasm is a weak argument as you have presented nothing beyond the sarcasm. Your obtuseness has required that you receive this lesson. Now that you're better educated, perhaps you'll find some way to mount a more constructive position. But, I won't be holding my breath.
Which means Martin was not looking for a confrontation, which only gives credence to that it was Zimmerman looking for the confrontation.
Whatever.
I didn't stake a position opposite to yours.
It is quite obvious from your initial post to me that you disagreed with my post #2.
I didn't disagree with it. There was nothing to disagree with in a statement of arrogant supposition such as yours. You can't educate someone until you receive one of your own. It doesn't appear that you will ever go down that road.
Because, police are infallible and never make mistakes, right? That would be the reason that numerous cases of wrongly convicted individuals released from prison years later exist. Prosecutors never make mistakes either, correct. That is why the Goldman and Brown families found justice in the conviction of O.J. Simpson - oh, wait! Never mind.
No, I've NOT bought into the media hype that is being fueled by the race-baiters. I'm asking questions about an incident where all the answers are not yet given. If it is the case that the 17 year old was the aggressor, then so be it. He brought fists to a gun fight. But, I feel it is important to know for sure whether Zimmerman initiated the aggressive behavior or not. Those who are attemmpting to, yet again, inject racism into this for political purposes can go to hell.
According to many of the Freepers, if they had an agitated man come up to them yelling at them, ordering them to tell him their name and the reason for their being out, in the middle of the night, they’d be perfectly secure in having a conversation with this gentleman.
Sick of the race pimps. As soon as Al Sharpton or the Black Panthers support one side I am immediately against it no matter the issue. Little Trayvon wasnt so innocent you should see his facebook page its still up, with photos of other thugs throwing up gangs signs etc. Im for the 2nd amendment, alot of people are getting sick and tired of the ways things are. I dont have to spell it out you all know what I mean. Tired of double standards and coddling.
My God you’re dense. There’s no hope here. Have a good life, if you’re able.
Generally, if someone is looking for a confrontation, the first thing they don't do, is call 911 to report an incident/call for help.
Regardless if he continued to locate or follow Martin, would not give Martin the right to attack/beat on Zimmerman. In the preliminary report it stated Zimmerman was treated at the scene and was bleeding from his nose and head.
Police operator (translated from cop speak) "Don't do that"
Zimmerman (frustrated) "These a***holes always get away" "Have the cops call me to find out where i am when they arrive"
Your post is a perfect example of how a story gets totally distorted from the truth.
First, you are correct that Zimmerman pursues Martin when he starts to run. The dispatcher asked if he was pursuing and Zimmerman replies yes. Dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman replies OKAY.
The statement about a**holes getting away was made BEFORE Martin started running, not during the 20-30 seconds Zimmerman pursued him.
Worst of all is your complete distortion of Zimmerman's request for the police to call him to tell them where to meet him. The dispatcher was discussing where Zimmerman should meet the police when they arrive and asked Zimmerman's address. Zimmerman hesistated saying he DIDN'T KNOW where Martin was and was afraid to give out his address so he asked to have the police call his phone.
Now my question to you is - are you just repeating what you heard without actually listening to the actual call yourself or are you deliberately distorting the facts to support an agenda?
I am dense? You’re the one who contradicted post #2 completely. LOL
Generally, if someone is looking for a confrontation, the first thing they don't do, is call 911 to report an incident/call for help.
Regardless if he continued to locate or follow Martin, would not give Martin the right to attack/beat on Zimmerman. In the preliminary report it stated Zimmerman was treated at the scene and was bleeding from his nose and head.
#170 was the incorrect quote, not by you, my mistake.
I don’t think it was racially motivated. I think Zimmerman just didn’t practice good sense and proper security measures.
Apparently this is the case. Some appear to either forget, or ingnore, or be inconsiderate of the fact that when one legally carries a firearm there comes great responsibility. To allow a situation, in which there was no need to escalate it to the level of a confrontation in the first place, to deteriorate to the point where he felt the need to use his firearm was, at the least, ill-advised.
By the way, this is what I meant by “weasel phrases”. Please don’t think I mean to call you a weasel, or even to imply you’re doing it on purpose. This way of speaking clouds thinking and obscures fact finding:
“As I stated, there’s conflicting information. What is accurate and what is not needs to be determined.”
By whom? Who is this impartial person you want to do an investigation? And why in this case? Are there other police investigations you think should be re-investigated by this impartial person?
“If I initiate a confrontation with another person, who begins to beat me, do I not bear responsibility at any level for what happens?”
What do you mean by initiate a confrontation? Words? Following someone? Are there types of responsibility that aren’t criminal? Could someone make a decision that, in retrospect wasn’t the best, but that isn’t illegal?
“Is that what happened in this case? Would it not be prudent to keep the discussion to the issue instead of contriving an apple to compare to an orange?”
Nice try. YOU said:
“If I initiate a confrontation with another person, who begins to beat me, do I not bear responsibility at any level for what happens?”
I was responding to YOUR hypothetical event, and using YOUR hypothetical event to ask what you meant by “initiating a confrontation” and giving an example of how your term could be applied in a way that obviously did not warrant a violent response.
“...the media and the government is purposely trying to turn this justified homicide into a hate crime murder”
This is so apparent to some of us, and it is frustrating that others who know full well what the media does every day refuse to see it.
I guaran-damn-tee you if any mistake was made in this case it would have been found or it’s gonna be found.
Furthermore, just because one party is dead and cannot tesitify to what happened does not mean the other party is lying. if that was the case, then no homicide would ever be justifiable, and certainly some of them are.
But again, I don’t fear or resent the details of the case being gone over 1,000 times. I do resent the Department of Black Justice getting involved. I resent that very much.
I don’t hope for young people to be shot dead, and I am pretty certain that Zimmerman doesn’t hope for young people to be shot dead, and I’m totally certain the cops don’t hope for such, and they don’t excuse such.
The fact that this man hasn’t been arrested by this point SPEAKS LOUDER THAN ANY OF THESE ****ING RACE PIMPS, SoldierDad.
I, for one, am not for destroying an innocent man’s life on the alter of race, I’m just not going to do it, to Hell with that. :(
Alas, Martin was not up to snuff on his situational awareness and self-defense skills. Perhaps, if he had been, he'd be still alive, and the village would be short an idiot, shot by his own gun!
Col. West for VP!
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