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Allen West Calls Trayvon Martin Shooting an ‘Outrage’ and Endorses Federal Investigation
The Blaze ^ | March 22, 2012 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Ever since his CPAC Keynote Address in 2010, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) has been one of the gold standards of modern American political conservatism. He has also been widely hailed as a political model for conservative African American politicians. And now, following recent revelations surrounding the highly suspicious shooting of Trayvon Martin, Rep. West has joined a growing bipartisan consensus calling for the case to be reopened, possibly even with Federal assistance. West’s statement, put out today by Talking Points Memo, resonates with controlled fury (emphasis added):

itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder. Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.

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To: SoFloFreeper
No matter how good intentioned he was, Zimmerman was the aggressor in this instance. Martin was walking along the pathway (maybe running because of the rain) chatting with his girlfriend, going to the apartment.

If Zimmerman had waited for the police by his truck or by the mailboxes, this incident would have never happened. Who shoved first, who punched first, who knows ... does it matter? Zimmerman panicked and the kid's dead.

351 posted on 03/23/2012 3:44:00 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Irenic

Yes, we are all just guessing. And more and more parents are chauffeuring kids on any whim.


352 posted on 03/23/2012 3:45:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Shethink13
Well, I missed that. Where is the evidence for that?

All the witnesses who called 911 stated the incident occured in the backyard ... both the grass and the pathway are mentioned. Check out the photo I posted, that pathway is for foot traffic only.

353 posted on 03/23/2012 3:49:56 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Irenic

I thought so. He survived the experienced and can laugh about it,...,now.


354 posted on 03/23/2012 3:51:25 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Zimmerman may or may not be guilty of manslaughter or murder or he may be innocent.This story may be a lot grayer than the fevered pitch media accounts of what happened. The first thing they need to do is stop creating the impression this was a little child by constantly showing his photo when he was 11 and stop talking about skittles. This was a 6’2” 17 year old high school football player.The police report said that Zimmerman’s back was wet and he was bleeding from the nose and back of head when he came on the scene and that he overheard Zimmerman tell the EMT that he was yelling for help but no one came to help..If there was a fight, who threw the first punch? If Zimmerman chased him, he should not have done so but that does not make him guilty of murder at that point. What would make him guilty of murder or negligent homicide is if he shot Martin while he was on his back being hit by Martin and was not reasonably in fear of imminent serious bodily harm or loss of life.This is something for a jury to sort out not the media or agenda driven folks like Al Sharpton.


355 posted on 03/23/2012 3:57:01 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: 9YearLurker

I suppose I am guilty of chauffeuring my kid on some whims. I didn’t usually find it unreasonable if it was raining and I wasn’t busy.

Looking back— I should have told kiddo about the good old days of walking 10 miles, up hill, in a snow storm, with no shoes, 20 lbs of books and a onion sammich for lunch. Just to get to school.

Why back in the day.... Bloody softy he is.

I guess more and more brothers are going to get Skittles for their little brothers on a whim, too.


356 posted on 03/23/2012 3:58:25 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Hey, it was probably smart self-interest on your part—he’ll likely take good care of you in your old age!


357 posted on 03/23/2012 4:03:30 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Not evidence of where the incident occurred. You claim that Zimmerman left his vehicle and pursued Martin. Where is the evidence for that? Do you know exactly where his vehicle was parked? We know he got out of his vehicle when Martin started to run. We know that Zimmerman stopped the chase when the dispatch told him he didn't need to. We know that Zimmerman said he didn't know where Martin was. After that, everything else is speculation. I know what you believe happened, but I'm asking what evidence do you have that Zimmerman continued the pursuit after the phone call to police?

It may very well be true, but I still say Martin would have had plenty of time to get to the apartment before Zimmerman could catch him.

358 posted on 03/23/2012 4:04:56 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: 9YearLurker

Shoot, he’s a brat but he’s my brat. :)


359 posted on 03/23/2012 4:08:45 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Shethink13

Saying, “ok” is not the same as agreeing to comply.

We cannot say factually that Zimmerman gave up the chase.


360 posted on 03/23/2012 4:12:25 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: csense
Yes, there's that on the tape also, but the part you quoted from my post is when the Officer asks Zimmerman his address.

I think I'm not being clear. I am talking about the officer asking Zimmerman his home address. Zimmerman seems to be afraid to tell him because he doesn't know where Martin is (that's the he I'm referring to). That he may be afraid that Martin might get his address somehow and come after him. At least, that's how I heard it.

361 posted on 03/23/2012 4:15:57 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Irenic

Martin would have plenty of time, assuming he wasn’t lost at the time.

Probably what will hinge on intent is what can be shown as what happened just prior to the scuffle between the two.

If it can be shown that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, that would show Martin was still trying to retreat. This would make Zimmerman the likely aggressor, removing any claims of self defense. If,however, it can be shown that Martin had to doubleback, then it would support Zimmerman’s claim for self defense.


362 posted on 03/23/2012 4:25:49 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Shethink13

Yes, it’s clear now, and I agree. That’s how I understood it also.


363 posted on 03/23/2012 4:26:36 AM PDT by csense
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To: Jonty30
Saying, “ok” is not the same as agreeing to comply.

We cannot say factually that Zimmerman gave up the chase

You are reaching. You can clearly hear the wind as he starts to run in the phone. That's why the dispatcher asked him if he was pursuing. He's also out of breath as he speaks. After he says ok, the wind noise dies down and his speech becomes more normal. If he was still running you would have known that.

Now you might assume that after he hung up with the dispatcher he continued the chase, as AliceinWonderland claims, but that would be only speculation on your part.

When the dispatcher asks the address of where he's parked, he says there's no address he's at a walk-through. So, if he's parked at the walk-through, got out to start the chase, got down the walkway to where Martin ran, then stopped running, it is conceivable that as he walked back to his car he was confronted by Martin as he claims, in the walkway where the altercation occurred.

Not saying this is what happened. It could have been as you say. But the solid evidence that we have so far fits my scenario.

364 posted on 03/23/2012 4:28:25 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

You’re saying Zimmerman couldn’t stop, while talking to the operator, but resume the chase once he’s off the phone?


365 posted on 03/23/2012 4:32:56 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: editor-surveyor

>>The local authorities have done a masterful job of gathering the evidence in this case

Agreed, here it is:

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html

In addition to that, here are a couple of news reports from local stations before this became a racialist cause celebe. They seem much better than anything we are seeing now.

http://www.wesh.com/r-video/30696935/detail.html

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4

The news reports coming out now seem designed primarily to whip up a racialist frenzy, rather then throw light on the events.


366 posted on 03/23/2012 4:34:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Jonty30
You’re saying Zimmerman couldn’t stop, while talking to the operator, but resume the chase once he’s off the phone?

Not at all. I clearly stated it could have happened as you say. I merely point out that after the phone call ended, any activity one way or the other is speculation. But all speculation is not equal. Mine is consistent with the other factual evidence. Yours involves a deliberate deceit which comports with your prejudgment of Mr. Zimmerman's character. You've already judged him guilty therefore your version of the truth must match that, regardless of the surrounding circumstances.

367 posted on 03/23/2012 4:41:53 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Oztrich Boy
"Don't do that"

When engaged in selective editing, it is accepted practice to use ellipses.
Employment of same conveys to your audience that not only are you aware that you've redacted, but also that you're being honest with them about it.

Your selective editing above is quite different than the actual quote: "we don't need you to do that"

368 posted on 03/23/2012 4:50:44 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: Jonty30
If it can be shown that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, that would show Martin was still trying to retreat. This would make Zimmerman the likely aggressor, removing any claims of self defense. If,however, it can be shown that Martin had to doubleback, then it would support Zimmerman’s claim for self defense.

The initial contact is irrelevant unless you can show that the actions taken by Martin was an appropriate response. Considering that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and beating him about the head, which is what the evidence and eyewitness testimony show, your burden to show justification is pretty heavy.

369 posted on 03/23/2012 5:05:08 AM PDT by csense
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To: Irenic
The whole thing seems to have happened really fast. Zimmerman 1st call to the police at 7:11pm
Girlfriend calls Trayvon at 7:12 pm —that call lasted 4 minutes before Trayvon confronts Zimmerman about following him and Zimmerman responds what are you doing here—fight starts and phone goes dead.
And I believe the police report says they arrived at 7:17pm.

And where is the bit where Zimmerman is attacked by Martin coming from nowhere and hitting him?

Did he make this surprise attack while talking to his girl? Or after verbally confronting Zimmerman?

Neither case says much for Z-man's situational awareness.

And doesn't the supposed attack make the verbal questions a bit redundant? Did Z-man get hit, then ask "What are you doing here?"

Or did Z-man lie?

370 posted on 03/23/2012 5:37:38 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: FreedomPoster
designed primarily to whip up a racialist frenzy

This will be a summer to remember. Obama and the rats will get their race war.

371 posted on 03/23/2012 5:39:21 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Jonty30

So how did Mr. Zimmerman track down Trayvon in the dark when it’s pretty obvious Trayvon could easily outrun Mr. Zimmerman any day.


372 posted on 03/23/2012 5:43:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

You’re in some else’s neighborhood you don’t live in and are just visiting. You have a resident of that gated community who is keeping an eye on you because of the rash of burglaries in the neighborhood. Is there a law against that? Do you assume that the residents of that gated community have an evil intent because they are watching you especially because you might be acting a little suspicious?


373 posted on 03/23/2012 5:48:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

After Mr. Martin ran away he came back and attacked Mr. Zimmerman. Have you not figured that out from the 911 calls and the police reports?


374 posted on 03/23/2012 5:49:27 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
And where is the bit where Zimmerman is attacked by Martin coming from nowhere and hitting him?

Perhaps you have me confused with another, I have not claimed any such thing.

Did he make this surprise attack while talking to his girl? Or after verbally confronting Zimmerman?

I have never claimed a surprise attack. From the girlfriends statement of the conversation, it appears to me, that the first comment would have been initiated by Trayvon. I have not read any place where we can determine with any certainty who threw the first punch, shove...whatever. I suspect Trayvon did but I have no proof. We have no proof that Zimmerman threw the first, either.

Neither case says much for Z-man's situational awareness.

I suppose Zimmerman's situational awareness is important to you. I wasn't planning on grading him but you are welcome to. It appears to me this whole situation went down rather quickly, shockingly quick.The first call to police at 7:11 and the police are on the scene and Trayvon is dead by 7:17.

And doesn't the supposed attack make the verbal questions a bit redundant? Did Z-man get hit, then ask "What are you doing here?"

I don't understand how the verbal question is redundant, perhaps you can further enlighten me. I believe the facts show that the verbal happened first, who spoke first and then a fight ensued--who threw the first punch/shove, again...we don't know for certain. I think what was overheard by the girlfriend in that phone call gives a direction and timeline. If that is of no interest to you and you prefer to imagine your own scenario, have at it. I find it an important piece of information and I will take it into consideration no matter your opinion. Thank you.

Or did Z-man lie?

The Z-man? I don't know a Z-man. However, I do not know if Zimmerman lied and neither do you--that is a fact. Well, unless you are an official on this case and I should think you wouldn't be discussing this on an internet forum.

375 posted on 03/23/2012 6:10:12 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Shethink13
Zimmerman left his vehicle on the road and followed him on foot down the walkway.

Well, I missed that. Where is the evidence for that?

Check the aerial in #331. The incident occurred on the walkway behind 2831 Retreat View Circle, which is in the middle of a block of houses. It's as far away from the street as it's possible to get. (And I doubt there'd be any street signs to read there)

376 posted on 03/23/2012 6:10:18 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Irenic
Perhaps you have me confused with another, I have not claimed any such thing.

OK My bad. I acknowledge that you did not make the excuses for Zimmerman. But others have, and I was pointing out that in the complete timeline you posted there is just no way for the claimed actions by Zimmerman to have occurred.

377 posted on 03/23/2012 6:22:46 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: jersey117

I hope you are wrong. I fear you might be right.


378 posted on 03/23/2012 6:37:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I agree and I’ll go further—West’s criticism of the local officials is just as bad as Obama’s attack on the Cambridge police that led to the beer summit.


379 posted on 03/23/2012 6:37:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Jack Hydrazine

First, it’s probably not that dark as there are probably street lights available and the kid had a grey hoodie, which would show reasonably well in the dark, under street lights.

Second, Zimmerman knew the gated community and the kid did not. The kid had only been there for a few days and probably didn’t know the layout of the community as well as Zimmerman. Also, and it’s only a guess, the kid was probably trying to find his way home at the time he was trying to get away from Zimmerman. This would allow Zimmerman to catch up to him, as Zimmerman’s focus was catching the kid and not getting away.


380 posted on 03/23/2012 6:43:33 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Are you aware that after Trayvon ran off into the darkness that Mr. Zimmerman ended his call to 911 and headed back to his truck? Only problem was Mr. Zimmerman didn’t make it back to his truck because Trayvon came back and attacked him.

If someone ambushed you in the dark, was on top of you punching you in the face, you’re screaming for help and no one will come out to help because they are all too scared to do so, what are you going to do? Sit there and just let it happen and possibly die in the process of the beating? Or are you going to defend yourself with the knife or gun you might be carrying?


381 posted on 03/23/2012 6:49:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jonty30

The place where the confrontation took place was between condo buildings a little ways away from the street where there probably was not that much lighting as on the street.


382 posted on 03/23/2012 6:53:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ZX12R

Seeing this story this morning, I have to say that I am pretty disappointed in Mr.West. I used to hold him in the highest regard concerning his holding a government political office, and his future in the republican party. However, his jumping on the bandwagon of drawing conclusions before the actual investigations are complete, is unfortunate. Especially since anyone that is being objective has to admit that there seems to be no real evidence to support either a criminal charge or an arrest, thus far. Thinking otherwise at this point reveals a personal bias, a political agenda, or a simple disregard for how the legal system works. His comments about an investigation don’t bother me, but his comments beyond that change my impression of him considerably.


383 posted on 03/23/2012 7:22:36 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

For those who can’t see past the race angle here on FR, West is a FL representative. He has to say something and all he’s saying is that justice must prevail. We conservatives need to stop being so kneejerk in response to stories like this.


384 posted on 03/23/2012 7:40:30 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: All

After listening to the voice yelling for help call, and Zimmerman’s statements that he was indeed calling out for help, I believe he was in severe stress, was being assaulted, and responded to save his life.

None of this will matter.

The media and the race baiters have already convicted him in the court of public opinion.

If Zimmerman faces charges, then NONE of us will be able to use the argument of self-defense with any degree of reliability.

If he is not charged and convicted, there may very well be race riots nation wide over this.


385 posted on 03/23/2012 8:02:12 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: SoldierDad
The physical evidence you put so much stock into is what exactly? The witness statements explain what exactly? NO ONE saw the initiation of the confrontation. The physical evidence that Zimmerman had a bloody nose does NOT preclude the possibility that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with the 17 year old.

The physical evidence is all that we have along with the 911 tapes. The physical evidence would include not only the injuries suffered by Zimmerman, but also, other evidence gleaned from Martin, e.g., blood, skin, condition of clothing, position on the ground, angle of entry/exit wound, forensics, etc. Those are all part of the physical evidence, which you and I don't have, but the police do. It was on this basis that they did not arrest Zimmerman.

It amazes me that the FACT the 17 year old was not doing anything wrong; had NOT been involved in the burglaries; that Zimmerman had been essentially stalking the 17 year old due to an unfounded suspicion isn’t being taken into consideration. Why is it not appropriate to even consider that Zimmerman used poor judgement? Are you suggesting that you would not, if being followed by someone, take steps to get that person to end their actions against you? Sorry, but I’m not willing to take Zimmerman’s word simply because the person he shot is unable to tell his side of the story. And, neither should anyone else.

You are making a lot of assumptions, e.g., Martin was not doing anything wrong. If you believe the contemperaneous description from Zimmerman on the 911 tape, Martin was acting suspiciously in a gated community that had suffered a recent rash of crime. Why was Martin there? Why did he run away and then. according to Zimmerman, attack him? Any investigation would determine the chronology, the physical circumstances, geography, etc. In the final analysis, you can only rely on facts not conjecture.

I sat on a jury that convicted someone of murder and we recommended a 30 year, no parole sentence. It certainly opened my eyes to how murder investigations are conducted and the proof that is needed. You can't convict someone just because you don't accept their word. Our system protects the individual placing the burden on the state to prove that someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

You seem to be caught up in this manufactured hysteria and rush to judgment. Sharpton, Martin's parents, and some in the MSM are calling for Zimmerman's arrest and conviction. Our system of justice does not work that way nor should it. What do you want to happen beyond the investigation, much of it already completed? Under FL law, Zimmerman had a concealed weapons permit and he was acting in self-defense. So far, there have been no facts to say that he is guilty of a crime. Will you accept that verdict or do you want him to pay some sort of price beyond that which he is already suffering along with his family.

I view this as a tragedy, but I am not calling for Zimmerman's arrest and conviction. Given your comments, it is painfully obvious that you have already made up your mind as to Zimmermman's guilt. Fortunately, our justice system doesn't work that way. I will accept Zimmerman's guilt or innocence based on the facts and evidence, nothing else.

386 posted on 03/23/2012 8:18:01 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Irenic
According to this report, Martin had non-violent behavioral issues in school and on the day he was shot, had been suspended for ten days for "being in an unauthorized area [on school property] according to his father."

Perhaps Martin was not in the best of moods that day given the earlier suspension from school.

387 posted on 03/23/2012 8:30:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Jonty30
Zimmerman wasn't on neighborhood watch duty. He had just returned from an errand and saw Martin acting suspiciously. He called the police for assistance. He denies that he followed Martin and said he was returning to his truck when Martin attacked him. He killed Martin in self-defense. The physical evidence and witness testimonies seem to support that assertion.

It is easy to say that Zimmerman didn't practice good sense in hindsight, but unless you have some other information the police don't, then it is understandable why the police could not arrest him.

388 posted on 03/23/2012 8:38:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cynwoody

I did listen to the 911 tape, and I don’t give a sh*t what you think.

Zimmerman had a right to watch his neighborhood unmolested by a neighborhood thug.

Martin got justice is what Martin got.

Ask the police.


389 posted on 03/23/2012 8:39:18 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

You are speculating. I don’t have a map of the gated community to determine the veracity of Zimmerman’s statement. Fortunately, the police do have such knowledge and based on the physical evidence and testimony, they felt that they could not arrest Zimmerman. Those are the facts.


390 posted on 03/23/2012 8:45:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alice in Wonderland
But he sure found him, didn't he? Zimmerman left his vehicle on the road and followed him on foot down the walkway.

Actually we do not know if Zimmerman found him or if Zimmerman was found by Martin. Way to many questions still unanswered.

The report of the call with the girlfriend came from the lawyer for the Martin family but I think he had phone record to support.

391 posted on 03/23/2012 9:01:16 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: SoldierDad; chris37; Molon Labbie; Jack Hydrazine

“”Reports I’ve heard indicated that the firearm was NOT taken and processed. If true, there’s a problem. If not true, then that needs to be dispelled. There is conflicting information.””
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The only one making conflicting statements and spreading false rumors is you.

The preliminary report was posted here a *dozen* times on this very thread slick.

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http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf

See page 4 of 4.

If you stop being so damn hysterical, and read what is right in front of your face, you see it clearly stated the weapon was “Collected and placed into evidence”.

If fact, you strike me as possibly being racist against Zimmerman.


392 posted on 03/23/2012 9:33:24 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoldierDad

Any suspension is indicative of bad behavior. Most people complete the entire educational process with zero detentions, suspensions or expulsions. There was always a small group of miscreants that were chronically serving detention. A smaller group experienced a suspension. A very small number were expelled. The fact of the suspension puts Trayvon in that minority of students who require more serious disciplinary action than a verbal warning from a teacher in the classrrom.


393 posted on 03/23/2012 9:38:39 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Shethink13

Considering that Martin’s body was found in the backyard of 2831 Retreat View Circle, what evidence do you have that Zimmerman obeyed police instructions, remained with his truck, and did not follow Martin?

In Mr. Zimmerman’s call to 911 he states that his location is past the clubhouse, past the mailboxes, that he is parked by the cut-thru (walkway). He also states that Martin was walking towards him, towards the back entrance of the complex, then Martin disappeared from view (on the walkway behind the houses). We do NOT know that Zimmerman stopped the chase. Rather, the opposite likely happened.

After first agreeing to meet the police at the mailboxes, Zimmerman amended that, requesting that the responding officer call him for an exact location. That would not have been necessary if he intended to remain with his vehicle and indicated that he intended to leave his vehicle parked on the street and follow Martin on foot.

Are you contending that Martin is to blame because he didn’t get back to the apartment quickly enough?


394 posted on 03/23/2012 9:42:32 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Very disappointed in Col. West for jumping to conclusions in this case.
395 posted on 03/23/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by McGruff (Newt Gingrich, the closest thing we've got to Sarah Palin.)
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To: dragnet2

Don’t know why this was directed to me but nonetheless I know a lil bit about evidence collection and I assure everyone that the firearm was seized and will not be released for a LONG time, as in years.

Considering the notoriety of the case, Zimmerman will not want it back and it will wind up melted down or part of an artificial reef.


396 posted on 03/23/2012 9:50:29 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
what evidence do you have that Zimmerman obeyed police instructions, remained with his truck, and did not follow Martin?

That was not some lawful police instruction/command, but a cubicle worker/dispatcher, employed by the city or possibly a private entity, who wasn't even on the scene.

397 posted on 03/23/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: chris37; cynwoody
Zimmerman had a right to watch his neighborhood unmolested by a neighborhood thug.

When you reinterpret what actually is by what you think it ought to be, you're heading for a world of hurt. Most people have learned that lesson by the time they got out of the terrible twos.

Zimmerman had a right to watch his neighborhood. Period. He deliberately went beyond the bounds, violated the guidelines of Neighborhood Watch, disobeyed the instructions of the 911 personnel, precipitated a violent encounter with someone (not a thug as you say to try to legitimize your faulty characterization of the facts) who had every reason to fear for his life from a stranger aggressively following him at night, and every right to elude the pursuing stranger and, when accosted by him, to defend himself. But you seem to be intent on defending the indefensible, so it's not surprising you "don't give a sh*t" what anyone says. Something to think about though is that Zimmerman was unconcerned about being recorded by 911 saying things like the a-holes are always getting away with it and referring to "them" as "f-cking coons." This points directly to his state of mind and it wasn't a good one.

Furthermore, when misery pimps try to highjack this incident for their own political ends, the correct response is to draw attention to their opportunism, not to make the completely illogical conclusion that the facts of the case must be 180 degrees different than what they are complaining about because you don't like their misuse of the situation.
398 posted on 03/23/2012 10:03:47 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Molon Labbie; SoldierDad
I assure everyone that the firearm was seized and will not be released for a LONG time, as in years.

It was Mr. SoldierDad who questioned if this was done, even though the preliminary report, which was posted on this thread a dozen times, clearly indicated this.

In fact, anyone even suggesting or implying this was not done in a case such as this, are intentionally spreading false rumors IMO.

Anyone capable of critical thought would know this was always done in cases such as this.

BTW, your moniker was accidentally posted along with a few others. My apologies.

399 posted on 03/23/2012 10:04:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

No worries.


400 posted on 03/23/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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