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Allen West Calls Trayvon Martin Shooting an ‘Outrage’ and Endorses Federal Investigation
The Blaze ^ | March 22, 2012 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Ever since his CPAC Keynote Address in 2010, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) has been one of the gold standards of modern American political conservatism. He has also been widely hailed as a political model for conservative African American politicians. And now, following recent revelations surrounding the highly suspicious shooting of Trayvon Martin, Rep. West has joined a growing bipartisan consensus calling for the case to be reopened, possibly even with Federal assistance. West’s statement, put out today by Talking Points Memo, resonates with controlled fury (emphasis added):

itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder. Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; allenwest; blackkk; election2014; election2016; florida; georgezimmerman; georgia; mytheosholt; niceshooting; normwolfinger; selfdefense; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin
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To: Eureka_Lead

The same as your proof that it was “self-defense”, from the culprit facing either an electric chair or a free walk.

But as I said elsewhere, I’m getting out of these threads after being threatened by a complaint to the management from a professional FR troll.


51 posted on 03/22/2012 9:43:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: editor-surveyor

6 feet and 160 lbs. You are not paying attention to the details in the police report.

Read the report again. 2nd page. It’s right there in black and white.


52 posted on 03/22/2012 9:44:01 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: kanawa

The police report and the 9-11 tapes, the links to which are both available on FR.

Here’s the police report link.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf


53 posted on 03/22/2012 9:44:39 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Free ThinkerNY

From what I have read and seen reported it sounds like it was investigated just fine. Trayvor didn’t like being followed by Zimmerman, wouldn’t talk to him ,and then followed Zimmerman and proceeded to beat the crap out of him, where Zimmerman was able to defend himself and shoot Trayvor, who was younger bigger and stronger than him.

Seems real clear.


54 posted on 03/22/2012 9:45:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: chris37

I’ll tell you what. Take your head out of the sand, and start paying attention to what information has been presented. I won’t take the time to do the job of fact checking that you should be doing on your own.


55 posted on 03/22/2012 9:47:24 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing
And Zimmerman started the confrontation.

On what to you base that assertion? Here is what the police said

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony.

If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?

Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.”

The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

56 posted on 03/22/2012 9:48:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: piytar

Which witness report is that? The one in which even the local police have stated there were no direct witnesses? How about the 911 logs in which Zimmerman was told police were on the way, and recommended to NOT make contact with the 17 year old (who, by the way, was walking home and NOT bothering anyone).


57 posted on 03/22/2012 9:49:57 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing

“Partial Report”

No arrest

Zimmerman treated for injuries.

You are a troll.


58 posted on 03/22/2012 9:50:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: AlmaKing

You must not have listened to the 911 tapes where a number of people witnessed the struggle including one who said it was on his porch.


59 posted on 03/22/2012 9:50:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: editor-surveyor

Kiss off. You’re just a moronic clown. Last comment to you, ever.


60 posted on 03/22/2012 9:50:53 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing

LOL. That report says Zimmerman was weightless. Apparently the reporting officer has a part-time gig at the fair guessing weights.


61 posted on 03/22/2012 9:51:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The story certainly is appalling to me. Col West’s response is very responsible and tempered for which he should be applauded. I agree with everything he said. He is as true an American Hero and statesman as we have seen in some time.
My objections to this situation and equally appalled at the actions by Al Sharpton and the like to start a vigilante committee. True there was neglect in the investigation at best and racism at worst, however, pressure was brought to bear in the proper way in order to get to the bottom of this horrible situation.


63 posted on 03/22/2012 9:54:23 PM PDT by bramps (Newt is the one)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The story certainly is appalling to me. Col West’s response is very responsible and tempered for which he should be applauded. I agree with everything he said. He is as true an American Hero and statesman as we have seen in some time.
My objections to this situation and equally appalled at the actions by Al Sharpton and the like to start a vigilante committee. True there was neglect in the investigation at best and racism at worst, however, pressure was brought to bear in the proper way in order to get to the bottom of this horrible situation.


64 posted on 03/22/2012 9:54:37 PM PDT by bramps (Newt is the one)
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To: Revolting cat!; editor-surveyor
You really can't be that ignorant. This isn't DU or Kos.

I might suggest that you apologize for that stupid post my FRiend. Think first, think again and then type having a clear thought process intact.

65 posted on 03/22/2012 9:55:00 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: kabar

I’ve gone through all the information including the 9-11 tapes. There are 6 witnesses listed in the police report, but no statements regarding details of the physical confrontation.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf

The police report states that Zimmerman had grass stains on his shirt and Martin was laying face down in the grass.

I didn’t say there wasn’t a struggle. I do assert that Zimmerman started the confrontation, and therefore the charge of Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter should have been pressed as was listed in the original police report.


66 posted on 03/22/2012 9:57:05 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Welcome to the Troll City. It’s an honor to be accused of trolling by the professional FR troll, I tell ya!


67 posted on 03/22/2012 9:57:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I’m getting that feeling!


68 posted on 03/22/2012 9:58:50 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

How did Zimmerman start the confrontation? Did Zimmerman throw the first punch?


69 posted on 03/22/2012 9:58:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MissouriConservative
From what I’ve heard, Zimmerman was attacked as he was going back to his truck by this “kid”.

And from what I've read, the "kid" had done nothing to warrant being followed, first in an SUV and then on foot, by Zimmerman, who ignored police dispatcher instructions that he should not pursue Martin.

What would your reaction be if you were simply walking home from the store and some stranger started stalking you and then chasing you on foot? The fact that Martin had reason to be concerned should be self-evident - he was killed. There's certainly room for questions in this case.
70 posted on 03/22/2012 9:58:58 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SoldierDad

Trayvon Martin was walking through a gated community which had experienced numerous thefts by black youths. Note: gated community = private property.

He was noticed by a member of the community watch, a Mr. Zimmerman, who pursued the 6’-3”, 200 lb. highschool football player, loudly asking why he was on the property and what he was doing. When he couldn’t get Tryvon to stop, he tried to return to his vehicle.

Two witnesses say they saw the assault on Mr. Zimmerman, a small, pudgy Hispanic male, by the much larger Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin has been described as sitting on Mr. Zimmerman’s chest, beating the smaller man’s face with his fists.

When the police FINALLY arrived, they found Mr. Zimmerman lying prone on the ground with a broken nose and bloody contusions to his head. Mr. Martin was dead, a bullet hole in his chest.

1. Mr.Zimmerman was where he belonged.
2. Mr.Martin was supposedly “passing through”.
3. Mr.Zimmerman was assaulted and severly injured, as two witnesses attest.
4. Mr.Martin ended up dead.

Was the shooting in self-defense? The police believe Mr.Zimmerman was where he belonged, as he lived in the gated community, and was assaulted with violent intent. The “Castle doctrine” fits.

No, I do not agree with Rep.West.

Note: all the above facts were garnered from threads posted yesterday on Free Republic. Amazingly, even the Boston Herald had an article on this incident.


71 posted on 03/22/2012 9:59:51 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SoldierDad
Walking home through a gated community. Zimmerman claims that he did not follow Martin and went back to his truck. It was then that allegedly Martin attacked him. Zimmerman had a blood nose, blood on the back of his head along with grass stains on his back.

Until we get more facts, how can anyone suggest that the attack was racially motivated or premeditated?

72 posted on 03/22/2012 10:01:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: edcoil

In LA, Mexicans shooting anyone is a normal day every since the Fast and Furious debacle.


73 posted on 03/22/2012 10:01:35 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think maybe Allen West has not been completely briefed on all of the circumstances of the event. There is a good self defense case with eye witnesses and a 911 call with Zimmerman screaming help. He’s not an appealing guy but there is probably not a case agains’t him or the cops would already have arrested him.


74 posted on 03/22/2012 10:03:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I’m amazed at the number of people here who appear to be afraid of there being an investigation into what happened.


75 posted on 03/22/2012 10:03:14 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing

If there are no witness statements what do you base your belief that Zimmerman started the fioght on? Just asking btw. There’s so much hearsay and crap flying around it’s hard to make sense of this.


76 posted on 03/22/2012 10:03:58 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: AlmaKing

He only becomes confused by facts.


77 posted on 03/22/2012 10:04:23 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Too bad. I think Congressman West is responding to the media coverage and the emotion of the moment.


79 posted on 03/22/2012 10:08:10 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: SoldierDad

I’m amazed at the number of people who believe everything the Leftist media and racebaiters say!


80 posted on 03/22/2012 10:10:45 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SatinDoll

All of those ‘facts’ you list don’t fit with the police report and follow up reports. In fact, I think everything you stated is false.

First, Martin was 6’ 160lbs, not the 6’3” 200lbs you list. See the police report below.

There is no statement by Zimmerman in the police report stating that Martin was on his chest. Zimmerman gave his statement to both officers at the time of the incident and did not state that. Zimmerman also did not tell either officer that he was being punched.

Martin was with his father visiting his father’s girlfriend who lived in the neighborhood, thus he had a legal right to be there.

Martin had no responsibility to stop for an unidenfiable individual who was trying to detain him.

The police report indicates that the responding officer had Zimmerman at gunpoint, then cuffed him and put him in his car.

The police report indicates that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose. I don’t know where you get ‘broken nose’ from. I see no witness statements to that effect.

The police list charges of Negligent Homicide and Manslaughter on their first report. Apparaently, the two responding officers did not think Mr. Zimmerman was quite so innocent.

The Castle Doctrine is irrelevant here because Ziummerman innitiated the confrontation.

Info compiled here:

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html


81 posted on 03/22/2012 10:11:07 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Zimmerman started it by exiting his vehicle and pursuing Martin.


82 posted on 03/22/2012 10:13:01 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Ok, I read the pdf, and no where did it state that Zimmerman was charged with any crime.

In fact, it stated that the officers observed injuries to Zimmerman, and it also stated that Zimmerman stated that the sceams for help where his.

At this point I’m wondering if Trayon’s corpse showed any other trauma aside from the bullet wound...

Anyhow I appreciate the police reports that support Zimmerman’s version of events.

Thanks much.


83 posted on 03/22/2012 10:14:08 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SoldierDad

Just checked the pdf.

Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, he was assaulted and he defended himself according to the police.

Head in the sand? I think not.


84 posted on 03/22/2012 10:15:10 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: M1911A1

No, I think he’s reading the police report and follow up reports as you should before throwing West under the bus.

All info here:

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html


85 posted on 03/22/2012 10:15:19 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: kabar
Who here is claiming racially motivated or pre-meditated? As for the "facts" you've presented, there is much confusion in what is being reported. If this took place within a "gated" community, of which all gated communities I've seen have gates which require key cards or codes to open, what is the explaination of how this youth came to be there? If the youth was behaving suspiciously, where are the witnesses to said suspicious behavior? As for whether the youth was in a physical confrontation with Mr. Zimmerman, if I were being stalked by someone I would for damned sure confront them, especially given that I was not engaged in any illicit activity.

No where have I made a claim that Zimmerman is guilty of pre-meditated murder. I have questions regarding how this incident happened, and I believe it is prudent to have an investigation. If Zimmerman was indeed using self-defense, then an investigation should show that. Why the fear of having an investigation?

86 posted on 03/22/2012 10:15:45 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing

So Mr. Zimmmerman doesn’t have a right to get out and walk in his own gated community? Interesting.

Mr. Martin ran away from Mr. Zimmerman shortly after Mr. Zimmerman got out of his truck. Were you not aware of that?


87 posted on 03/22/2012 10:19:07 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: chris37

And, of course, you were there and witnessed the incident, right? No? Oh, then the officer who you claim wrote that Zimmerman defended himself was witness to the incident? No? Oh, then there are numerous witnesses to the incident from the begining of all that took place leading up to the shooting? No? Then, where do you or anyone else get off making facts where there are no facts. Why would you fear an outside investigation? Yes, head in sand.


88 posted on 03/22/2012 10:19:07 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AlmaKing
'First, Martin was 6’ 160lbs, not the 6’3” 200lbs you list. See the police report below.'

I obviously have my own opinion. But, that 6' 160lbs, is off the dead kids drivers license. That's how they knew who he was. He could have grown from when he was issued that card.

89 posted on 03/22/2012 10:21:12 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting are false and extremely misleading. Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.

This I believe!

If there is an Enemy its the MSM - quit fighting amongest yourselves.


91 posted on 03/22/2012 10:22:16 PM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Where have I advocated that Al Sharpton et al should be listened to and believed? In fact, I’ve not read any comment here which suggests that. I’ve only stated that I believe an independent investigation appears appropriate given that there are so many questions that have been raised. Are you saying that you fear an independent investigation? If so, why?


92 posted on 03/22/2012 10:23:32 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
And from what I've read, the "kid" had done nothing to warrant being followed, first in an SUV and then on foot, by Zimmerman, who ignored police dispatcher instructions that he should not pursue Martin.

That is not what the police said.

If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?

Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.”

The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

93 posted on 03/22/2012 10:25:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: SoldierDad
Dumb a$$! They are investigating. I am adamantly against a FEDERAL investigation. This is for the local and state to handle it. I think Al Racebaiter and others just called for violence yet no one (including you) are calling for a federal investigation. Mr West can go pound sand too. Its a local/state issue. Holder can go to hell. Anyone agreeing with a Holder investigation in this should be zotted immediately because this is NOT a nanny overpowering pro Holder site.

Just because you don't like how/rate/outcome of the ongoing investigation doesn't give the federal got jurisdiction into this unless your a race baiter and a troll. So go FO!

94 posted on 03/22/2012 10:27:15 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: kabar

What you’ve posted proves nothing more than after the fact details. There is nothing there which provides any facts that either Zimmerman or Martin started the incident. There has been no witness statements which have provided evidence of any kind prior to the reported fighting and the shot being heard. Zimmerman could easily have confronted Martin, and Martin could have engaged in “self-defense”. The fact that the guy with the gun won means nothing as to who the original aggressor is.


95 posted on 03/22/2012 10:27:57 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad

To me it sounds like you have swallowed the Leftist Flavor-Aid.

The Feds don’t need to stick their noses into a city/town matter that they have investigated already. If the state thinks that the police department acted improperly let them do the investigation.

Everything I have read plus what I heard on the 911 calls indicates to me that Mr. Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon because it was Trayvon was attacked first.


96 posted on 03/22/2012 10:27:57 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: piytar

Even a so-called black “conservative” can’t see passed the skin color.


97 posted on 03/22/2012 10:28:42 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It would appear that you’ve tried, convicted, and sentenced a dead 17 year old who is unable to give his side of what happened. That is sad.


98 posted on 03/22/2012 10:29:19 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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