Skip to comments.George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Neighbors describe watch leader blamed for teen's death
Posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Current and former neighbors call George Zimmerman caring, passionate and polite, a regular guy they enjoyed being around...
"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."
"George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends," Robert Zimmerman wrote. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever."
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He’s a “Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends.”
Has that become a get-out-jail-free card for wanton, cold-blooded murder?
Of course this info won’t change anything for the leftists
“”Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.”
Betcha dollars to donuts this retired magistrate voted for hussein last time around. I wonder how much money he donated to the campaign and is that why holder hasn’t slapped the man in jail yet?
I don’t think this is about race. This is about whipping up the masses into a pre-election Occupy-like frenzy to make whitey feel bad about something they didn’t even do.
It’s almost like Richard Jewell, all over again:
It’s funny how quick this story got legs then fell to its knees.
Zimmerman was originally described as a white man. This was supposed to be a white-on-black hate crime. Now he’s Hispanic?
Aww... what happened MSM? All the air come out of your balloon at the same time?
It is your opinion that it was murder.
It is the opinion of the police and many of us here that it was self defense, absent new evidence to the contrary.
-——This is about whipping up the masses into a pre-election Occupy-like frenzy-——
It is also about cleansing the stain of urban, generally worthless, black culture from memory and replacing it with some unreal utopian granma like view of the real bad guy
You have said it perfectly.
I can't believe I'm reading stuff like this at FreeRepublic.
Yeah, just like Jewell, except that Jewell didn’t do anything while Zimmerman hunted down and killed someone.
I thought that the 6'3" hoodie had the perp on the ground b4 being shot.
We should probably just do away with that antiquated old jury trial system.
It’s expensive. Gotta find a way to save money.
Let’s just adopt a new system: trial by Dave.
According to the Police Report, he was 6.0 feet, 160 pounds. Whether that is truly accurate or not, I don’t. Just reporting what is on record so far...
They think it will guarantee the Kenyan Fuhrer's reelection.
I think they are catastrophically mistaken.
From the Charleston Conservative Examiner:
1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martins father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.
Trayvon Martin was a towering 62 football player.
Whatever we do, it’s smarter than drawing analogies to completely different situations.
Your Jewell dog don’t hunt. Jewell didn’t do anything. Zimmerman shot someone to death.
See the difference?
He’s just a wonderful person trying to put his violent past (fighting a cop - smacking his girl around) behind him and get an education.
There is something going on with this. This morning Jerry Rivers was on F & F blaming this more on the hoodie the young guy was wearing.
Could it be this Zimmerman person is Hispanic?
Something up with this.
wanton, cold-blooded murder
is what the Islamist did to the little girl.
Shooting someone out of desperation because you’re on the ground getting a beat down by a huge teenager is not “wanton, cold-blooded murder”.
Getting into the situation that led to the shooting was absolutely stooooopid, but it wasn’t “wanton, cold-blooded murder”.
Pretty quick to jump to conclusions without any knowledge of the facts, except some msm rants and a couple of women that told us what they think might have happened.
So you are going to be the objective one to "PROTECTOURFREEDOM" ?
You're exactly right. 0b0z0's Brown Shirts completed their training last year and are ready to hit the streets once a couple of bad polls confirm that 0b0z0s reelection is in doubt.
Watch for union thugs, flash mobs of "unknown race," black panthers and OWS who are protected by H0lders D0J to start the violence that would reelect 0b0z0 without an election.
It could well be that he was on drugs and that is why he was acting strange. My guess the liberals know something that hasn't been released yet and the hoped for race war case is going to fall apart.
Fast and Furious didn’t work, so the left chose this incident to replace it. They want your guns.
Zimmerman shot someone to death who was beating him and had a violent history.
We've got two versions of the story. The first coming race baiters and people who were not present. One which says this is cold blooded murder, because the shooter is a virulent racist. The second version comes from witnesses, the police and news outlets outside the community. That one says the shooter was being attacked by a person, some might say thug, with a history of violence and confrontation.
Looking at the story presented, the facts displayed so far and the sources, I know which I am more inclined to believe.
See how national outrage can be ginned up over a small incident which may quite likely be justified self-defense? Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin is not a unusual case, really, but the Elite are treating it in a special way. Why?
Remember last year when a lot of flash mobs appeared and robbed stores?
Remember the OWS crowds in many major cities? Peaceful, right?
Remember how the crowds in Athens tried to burn the city down? Not so peaceful, huh?
What happens if these tactics are combined? All of these tactics can be useful if the Power Elite need a crisis either leading up to a November election, or perhaps a crisis subsequent to a heart-breaking Nov election loss. The political manipulators need to make sure they know how the buttons can be pushed. They are testing the machine.
On July 25, a shooting takes place in NYC and a young black man loses his life.
National outrage begins to build. This is easy. Its a replay of Trayvon Martin. The talking heads know the script, and they will pump up the masses to be furious that such a thing could happen in America. By Aug 1 the outrage is sweeping the country.
People begin flocking to NYC. They occupy Central Park. Thousands of them. Its a peaceful protest, at least in the beginning, but there are a heck of a lot of angry people camping out in NYC. Again, this is easy. Major Bloomberg knows how to handle such a crowd. He did it last year. Food, water, port-a-potties, a light police presence. No big deal.
On Aug 8, groups of individuals wander away from Central Park. Not together. They travel separately. This is not even noticeable. Suddenly, a flash mob descends on a store on Bleeker St and robs it. Twenty people rush in, smash the glass, take stuff and vanish. Simultaneously, similar robberies take place in 10 other NYC locations. This is not hard to pull off. ACORN knows how to make this happen. Twitter, Facebook, other technologies can coordinate these activities and there is no way to block it.
Tension grows in the city. The flash mobs cannot be linked to the Central Park crowd, but the authorities suddenly are thrown off script. What do they do? Crack down? On whom? Why? Wheres the evidence? Suddenly the mayor is in uncharted waters, the protesters are feeling victimized, the racial shooting is both hyped up and pushed off the front page things get ugly.
And then 3000 people start burning NYC. Just like in Athens. The peaceful protest gets real ugly overnight. They know how to do that. We dont know how to react to it.
Im saying that this script has been written. The moves have been practiced. The timing and the location may not be finalized, but I think this is typed up and stored on someones hard drive. And the hard drive is somewhere in the White House.
They can greenlight it prior to the election, or after the election, it all depends on how theyre feeling about Obamas chances. I say martial law will be imposed by Obama. The election may not matter.
As I remember the Jewell case the significant problem for him was that the press that had him tried and convicted before the facts were in.
Is that helpful?
Zimmerman shot someone to death after deciding to assault a teenager returning from a walk to the store.
That so many FReepers decide to defend someone who was looking for trouble is troubling. Zimmerman is not a hero of the 2nd Amendment. That so many FReepers are quick to label any black person as a thug or a "hood rat" is a disgrace.
And characterizing the "hispanic" Zimmerman as "white" in order to, as another poster stated, re-stir the pot of white guilt before the election.
No, it’s still a poor analogy. Again, Jewell didn’t do anything. No one lay dead because of his actions.
Is that helpful?
And also the Nation Guardmen at Kent State.
Do you believe everything the media tells you or have you taken the time to read the police reports and have listened to the 911 calls?
You’ve obviously only listened to the media and have not read the police reports or listened to the 911 calls. Time for you to stop drinking the Flavor-Aid and start using your own mind instead of blindly joining the mob mentality!
Answer me this: what caused Zimmerman such consternation upon seeing a person walking through his neighborhood?
Like many FReepers, he was sure that any black person, especially one with a hoodie on, must be a criminal. So he went out to confront the person and then ended up shooting him.
Sorry, I can’t defend any of that.
I'm not rushing to label anyone, but I have to say that the old White Guilt thing doesn't work on me.
If a large number of Americans think of blacks as thugs, I'd say that the behavior of a large number of blacks is a contributing factor. If black people would clean up their ghetto culture and actually try to assimilate into mainstream society, they might find far fewer people thinking of them as thugs.
That's not a comment about Trayvon Martin, but a general comment about America in 2012.
Jewel actually was credited with saving lives - because he found a bomb and alerted the police. He was first accused of a hoax and after being exonerated he sued the media for libel and slander. His atty was Lin Wood.
It’s ironic that those of us who feel Zimmerman was over-reaching are ‘rushing to judgement’ and those who believe Trayvon deserved to be shot ‘have all the facts’.
I think a more likely senario is Zimmerman began following the teen who resented being followed by a obviously to him bigoted person. He confronted him. So far, no problem, Zimmerman is within his rights to follow anyone on a public street he wished to since not being in law enforcement he can profile. Confronting someone following you is also not a threat either. Now is when the plot thickens. Did Zimmerman say something to in flame the teen? We will never know. Did the teen begin pummeling him, well, some alleged evidence points to that. If so, case closed as far as criminality.
Next up the civil case which will not go well for Zimmerman and perhaps the homeowners association who tacitly approved of his acting as an untrained square badge.
All IMHO of course.
The current situation is summarized below:
You haven’t taken the time to read the police reports or listen to the 911 calls have you?
Get a clue.
Your link doesn’t work.
I believe it was the incredible number of burglaries in his neighborhood in recent months. When is "enough"?
He’s a “white hispanic” by the media (whatever they are). That makes it okay to pile it on.
Your scenario is quite possible.
1- I don’t think NYC would be chosen because the NYPD would be extremely rough with violent rioters and looters.
2- They’ll never attack the West Village (Bleeker Street) because it’s their natural supporters neighborhood, h0m0s, that is.
PS. (2-) just kidding but it could still happen.
Do the 911 tapes reveal that Martin was engaged in some sort of crime that caused Zimmerman to intercede? Do they reveal that Zimmerman did not go out looking for trouble?
Hence, the neighborhood watch.
Note, the word is “watch,” not “accost.”
You obviously are just repeating the Leftist media’s lies and distortions and haven’t listened to the 911 calls or read the police reports.
You’ll believe anything the Left tells you which makes you a complete fool and an idiot.
There is no doubt a confrontation happened. But that does not always amount to a cause for self defense. If Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and they struggled as a result Zimmerman is partially responsible for provoking the attack.
Zimmerman knew the police were on the way. He had not witnessed any crime. He made the comment about “.. they always get away.” He had no reason to think he or anyone else was in personal danger. In my opinion he decided to pursue Martin and possibly try to hold him for the police. That was way beyond reasonable actions based on the facts he had at the time.
If Martin (and who will ever now) thought he was in danger from this large strange guy who was making unfounded accusation against him, then yeah Martin was right to defend himself.
By the way I have listened to the tapes with screaming. It sounds like a young man. I imagine both of them were screaming and since witnesses are easily lead and things happened very fast I would not rely on what witnesses heard to determine the truth.
The “stand and defend” law was not written to address situations such as this, and Zimmerman should be charged with homicide.
You can’t describe it to me? What have I said about the situation that is untrue? (Besides my judgment that it was murder.)