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George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Neighbors describe watch leader blamed for teen's death
wptv ^ | 3/23/2012

Posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Current and former neighbors call George Zimmerman caring, passionate and polite, a regular guy they enjoyed being around...

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

"George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends," Robert Zimmerman wrote. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever."

(Excerpt) Read more at wptv.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: obamaagenda; race; trayvonmartin
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Rare piece of balanced journalism...the article talks about Zim's problems in the past but ALSO shows evidence to negate the "racist" label.
1 posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

He’s a “Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends.”

Has that become a get-out-jail-free card for wanton, cold-blooded murder?


2 posted on 03/23/2012 5:08:50 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SoFloFreeper

Of course this info won’t change anything for the leftists


3 posted on 03/23/2012 5:10:13 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“”Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.”

Betcha dollars to donuts this retired magistrate voted for hussein last time around. I wonder how much money he donated to the campaign and is that why holder hasn’t slapped the man in jail yet?


4 posted on 03/23/2012 5:11:17 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think this is about race. This is about whipping up the masses into a pre-election Occupy-like frenzy to make whitey feel bad about something they didn’t even do.

Again.


5 posted on 03/23/2012 5:13:16 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s almost like Richard Jewell, all over again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell


6 posted on 03/23/2012 5:13:37 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s funny how quick this story got legs then fell to its knees.

Zimmerman was originally described as a white man. This was supposed to be a white-on-black hate crime. Now he’s Hispanic?

Aww... what happened MSM? All the air come out of your balloon at the same time?

*pop*


7 posted on 03/23/2012 5:15:57 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Has that become a get-out-jail-free card for wanton, cold-blooded murder?

It is your opinion that it was murder.

It is the opinion of the police and many of us here that it was self defense, absent new evidence to the contrary.

8 posted on 03/23/2012 5:17:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

-——This is about whipping up the masses into a pre-election Occupy-like frenzy-——

It is also about cleansing the stain of urban, generally worthless, black culture from memory and replacing it with some unreal utopian granma like view of the real bad guy


9 posted on 03/23/2012 5:17:58 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

You have said it perfectly.


10 posted on 03/23/2012 5:18:31 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Has that become a get-out-jail-free card for wanton, cold-blooded murder?

Wow

I can't believe I'm reading stuff like this at FreeRepublic.

11 posted on 03/23/2012 5:26:46 AM PDT by csense
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yeah, just like Jewell, except that Jewell didn’t do anything while Zimmerman hunted down and killed someone.


12 posted on 03/23/2012 5:27:48 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"cold-blooded murder?"

I thought that the 6'3" hoodie had the perp on the ground b4 being shot.

13 posted on 03/23/2012 5:29:15 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SoothingDave

We should probably just do away with that antiquated old jury trial system.

It’s expensive. Gotta find a way to save money.

Let’s just adopt a new system: trial by Dave.


14 posted on 03/23/2012 5:31:00 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Paladin2

According to the Police Report, he was 6.0 feet, 160 pounds. Whether that is truly accurate or not, I don’t. Just reporting what is on record so far...


15 posted on 03/23/2012 5:33:36 AM PDT by csense
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is all part of the Left's strategy to burn the country to the ground next summer.

They think it will guarantee the Kenyan Fuhrer's reelection.

I think they are catastrophically mistaken.

16 posted on 03/23/2012 5:34:23 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to slaughter anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

>http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next<

From the Charleston Conservative Examiner:

1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.

Trayvon Martin was a towering 6’2” football player.


17 posted on 03/23/2012 5:35:26 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Whatever we do, it’s smarter than drawing analogies to completely different situations.

Your Jewell dog don’t hunt. Jewell didn’t do anything. Zimmerman shot someone to death.

See the difference?


18 posted on 03/23/2012 5:39:07 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

He’s just a wonderful person trying to put his violent past (fighting a cop - smacking his girl around) behind him and get an education.


19 posted on 03/23/2012 5:41:22 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There is something going on with this. This morning Jerry Rivers was on F & F blaming this more on the hoodie the young guy was wearing.

Could it be this Zimmerman person is Hispanic?

Something up with this.


20 posted on 03/23/2012 5:48:12 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

wanton, cold-blooded murder
is what the Islamist did to the little girl.

Shooting someone out of desperation because you’re on the ground getting a beat down by a huge teenager is not “wanton, cold-blooded murder”.

Getting into the situation that led to the shooting was absolutely stooooopid, but it wasn’t “wanton, cold-blooded murder”.


21 posted on 03/23/2012 5:48:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Has that become a get-out-jail-free card for wanton, cold-blooded murder?

Pretty quick to jump to conclusions without any knowledge of the facts, except some msm rants and a couple of women that told us what they think might have happened.

So you are going to be the objective one to "PROTECTOURFREEDOM" ?

22 posted on 03/23/2012 5:54:09 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
I don’t think this is about race. This is about whipping up the masses into a pre-election Occupy-like frenzy to make whitey feel bad about something they didn’t even do.

You're exactly right. 0b0z0's Brown Shirts completed their training last year and are ready to hit the streets once a couple of bad polls confirm that 0b0z0’s reelection is in doubt.

Watch for union thugs, flash mobs of "unknown race," black panthers and OWS who are protected by H0lder’s D0J to start the violence that would reelect 0b0z0 without an election.

23 posted on 03/23/2012 5:56:51 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: G Larry
I saw a few blurbs on the news yesterday and the liberals are upset that they tested the blood of the hoodie.

It could well be that he was on drugs and that is why he was acting strange. My guess the liberals know something that hasn't been released yet and the hoped for race war case is going to fall apart.

24 posted on 03/23/2012 5:59:23 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Fast and Furious didn’t work, so the left chose this incident to replace it. They want your guns.


25 posted on 03/23/2012 5:59:30 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: All
I think, according what I've read, SoothingDave's statement should read:

Zimmerman shot someone to death who was beating him and had a violent history.

We've got two versions of the story. The first coming race baiters and people who were not present. One which says this is cold blooded murder, because the shooter is a virulent racist. The second version comes from witnesses, the police and news outlets outside the community. That one says the shooter was being attacked by a person, some might say thug, with a history of violence and confrontation.

Looking at the story presented, the facts displayed so far and the sources, I know which I am more inclined to believe.

26 posted on 03/23/2012 6:00:03 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: melancholy
Our enemies are practicing various tactics.

See how national outrage can be ginned up over a small incident which may quite likely be justified self-defense? Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin is not a unusual case, really, but the Elite are treating it in a special way. Why?

Remember last year when a lot of flash mobs appeared and robbed stores?
Remember the OWS crowds in many major cities? Peaceful, right?
Remember how the crowds in Athens tried to burn the city down? Not so peaceful, huh?

What happens if these tactics are combined? All of these tactics can be useful if the Power Elite need a crisis either leading up to a November election, or perhaps a crisis subsequent to a heart-breaking Nov election loss. The political manipulators need to make sure they know how the buttons can be pushed. They are testing the machine.

A Scenario:

On July 25, a shooting takes place in NYC and a young black man loses his life.

National outrage begins to build. This is easy. It’s a replay of Trayvon Martin. The talking heads know the script, and they will pump up the masses to be furious that such a thing could happen in America. By Aug 1 the outrage is sweeping the country.

People begin flocking to NYC. They occupy Central Park. Thousands of them. It’s a peaceful protest, at least in the beginning, but there are a heck of a lot of angry people camping out in NYC. Again, this is easy. Major Bloomberg knows how to handle such a crowd. He did it last year. Food, water, port-a-potties, a light police presence. No big deal.

On Aug 8, groups of individuals wander away from Central Park. Not together. They travel separately. This is not even noticeable. Suddenly, a flash mob descends on a store on Bleeker St and robs it. Twenty people rush in, smash the glass, take stuff and vanish. Simultaneously, similar robberies take place in 10 other NYC locations. This is not hard to pull off. ACORN knows how to make this happen. Twitter, Facebook, other technologies can coordinate these activities and there is no way to block it.

Tension grows in the city. The flash mobs cannot be linked to the Central Park crowd, but the authorities suddenly are thrown off script. What do they do? Crack down? On whom? Why? Where’s the evidence? Suddenly the mayor is in uncharted waters, the protesters are feeling victimized, the racial shooting is both hyped up and pushed off the front page – things get ugly.

And then 3000 people start burning NYC. Just like in Athens. The peaceful protest gets real ugly overnight. They know how to do that. We don’t know how to react to it.

I’m saying that this script has been written. The moves have been practiced. The timing and the location may not be finalized, but I think this is typed up and stored on someone’s hard drive. And the hard drive is somewhere in the White House.

They can greenlight it prior to the election, or after the election, it all depends on how they’re feeling about Obama’s chances. I say martial law will be imposed by Obama. The election may not matter.

27 posted on 03/23/2012 6:02:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: SoothingDave

As I remember the Jewell case the significant problem for him was that the press that had him tried and convicted before the facts were in.
Is that helpful?


28 posted on 03/23/2012 6:03:25 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Turbo Pig
Or:

Zimmerman shot someone to death after deciding to assault a teenager returning from a walk to the store.

That so many FReepers decide to defend someone who was looking for trouble is troubling. Zimmerman is not a hero of the 2nd Amendment. That so many FReepers are quick to label any black person as a thug or a "hood rat" is a disgrace.

29 posted on 03/23/2012 6:04:47 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Turbo Pig
One which says this is cold blooded murder, because the shooter is a virulent racist

And characterizing the "hispanic" Zimmerman as "white" in order to, as another poster stated, re-stir the pot of white guilt before the election.

30 posted on 03/23/2012 6:05:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: BilLies

No, it’s still a poor analogy. Again, Jewell didn’t do anything. No one lay dead because of his actions.

Is that helpful?


31 posted on 03/23/2012 6:07:40 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: BilLies

And also the Nation Guardmen at Kent State.


32 posted on 03/23/2012 6:08:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: SoothingDave

Do you believe everything the media tells you or have you taken the time to read the police reports and have listened to the 911 calls?


33 posted on 03/23/2012 6:09:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SoothingDave

Hey Dave,
You’ve obviously only listened to the media and have not read the police reports or listened to the 911 calls. Time for you to stop drinking the Flavor-Aid and start using your own mind instead of blindly joining the mob mentality!


34 posted on 03/23/2012 6:12:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Answer me this: what caused Zimmerman such consternation upon seeing a person walking through his neighborhood?

Like many FReepers, he was sure that any black person, especially one with a hoodie on, must be a criminal. So he went out to confront the person and then ended up shooting him.

Sorry, I can’t defend any of that.


35 posted on 03/23/2012 6:14:41 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
That so many FReepers are quick to label any black person as a thug or a "hood rat" is a disgrace.

I'm not rushing to label anyone, but I have to say that the old White Guilt thing doesn't work on me.

If a large number of Americans think of blacks as thugs, I'd say that the behavior of a large number of blacks is a contributing factor. If black people would clean up their ghetto culture and actually try to assimilate into mainstream society, they might find far fewer people thinking of them as thugs.

That's not a comment about Trayvon Martin, but a general comment about America in 2012.

36 posted on 03/23/2012 6:15:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: SoothingDave

Jewel actually was credited with saving lives - because he found a bomb and alerted the police. He was first accused of a hoax and after being exonerated he sued the media for libel and slander. His atty was Lin Wood.

It’s ironic that those of us who feel Zimmerman was over-reaching are ‘rushing to judgement’ and those who believe Trayvon deserved to be shot ‘have all the facts’.


37 posted on 03/23/2012 6:16:13 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newtrition - soul food for a starving America.)
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To: SoothingDave

I think a more likely senario is Zimmerman began following the teen who resented being followed by a obviously to him bigoted person. He confronted him. So far, no problem, Zimmerman is within his rights to follow anyone on a public street he wished to since not being in law enforcement he can profile. Confronting someone following you is also not a threat either. Now is when the plot thickens. Did Zimmerman say something to in flame the teen? We will never know. Did the teen begin pummeling him, well, some alleged evidence points to that. If so, case closed as far as criminality.

Next up the civil case which will not go well for Zimmerman and perhaps the homeowners association who tacitly approved of his acting as an untrained square badge.

All IMHO of course.


38 posted on 03/23/2012 6:16:47 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Turbo Pig
In Albany NY a milestone (don't know if it's the final) has been reached re police shooting a Negro. The immediate response from the Negro community was outrage and the new Police Chief sought to pacify the community within two or three days of the killing by addressing the Negros and other interested parties at a community meeting. The investigation had just begun and he was shouted down because he did not have all the answers that would satisfy the attendees. Local TV and press recorded the meeting which did not go well for the Chief of Police.

The current situation is summarized below:

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legal-end-to-lethal-case-3427330.php

39 posted on 03/23/2012 6:17:10 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: SoothingDave

You haven’t taken the time to read the police reports or listen to the 911 calls have you?


40 posted on 03/23/2012 6:17:29 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SoothingDave

Get a clue.

http://www.tinyurl.com/sandford-2012


41 posted on 03/23/2012 6:19:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Your link doesn’t work.


42 posted on 03/23/2012 6:23:48 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
what caused Zimmerman such consternation upon seeing a person walking through his neighborhood?

I believe it was the incredible number of burglaries in his neighborhood in recent months. When is "enough"?

43 posted on 03/23/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

He’s a “white hispanic” by the media (whatever they are). That makes it okay to pile it on.


44 posted on 03/23/2012 6:25:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ClearCase_guy

Your scenario is quite possible.

1- I don’t think NYC would be chosen because the NYPD would be extremely rough with violent rioters and looters.

2- They’ll never attack the West Village (Bleeker Street) because it’s their natural supporters’ neighborhood, h0m0s, that is.

PS. (2-) just kidding but it could still happen.


45 posted on 03/23/2012 6:27:25 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Do the 911 tapes reveal that Martin was engaged in some sort of crime that caused Zimmerman to intercede? Do they reveal that Zimmerman did not go out looking for trouble?


46 posted on 03/23/2012 6:28:17 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: MrB

Hence, the neighborhood watch.

Note, the word is “watch,” not “accost.”


47 posted on 03/23/2012 6:30:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

You obviously are just repeating the Leftist media’s lies and distortions and haven’t listened to the 911 calls or read the police reports.

You’ll believe anything the Left tells you which makes you a complete fool and an idiot.


48 posted on 03/23/2012 6:31:42 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: G Larry

There is no doubt a confrontation happened. But that does not always amount to a cause for self defense. If Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and they struggled as a result Zimmerman is partially responsible for provoking the attack.

Zimmerman knew the police were on the way. He had not witnessed any crime. He made the comment about “.. they always get away.” He had no reason to think he or anyone else was in personal danger. In my opinion he decided to pursue Martin and possibly try to hold him for the police. That was way beyond reasonable actions based on the facts he had at the time.

If Martin (and who will ever now) thought he was in danger from this large strange guy who was making unfounded accusation against him, then yeah Martin was right to defend himself.

By the way I have listened to the tapes with screaming. It sounds like a young man. I imagine both of them were screaming and since witnesses are easily lead and things happened very fast I would not rely on what witnesses heard to determine the truth.

The “stand and defend” law was not written to address situations such as this, and Zimmerman should be charged with homicide.


49 posted on 03/23/2012 6:32:12 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You can’t describe it to me? What have I said about the situation that is untrue? (Besides my judgment that it was murder.)


50 posted on 03/23/2012 6:34:09 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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