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George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Neighbors describe watch leader blamed for teen's death
wptv ^ | 3/23/2012

Posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Current and former neighbors call George Zimmerman caring, passionate and polite, a regular guy they enjoyed being around...

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

"George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends," Robert Zimmerman wrote. "He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: obamaagenda; race; trayvonmartin
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To: lastchance
If Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and they struggled as a result Zimmerman is partially responsible for provoking the attack.

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No, if Zimmerman, who was armed, tried to detain Martin then Zimmerman would be 100% responsible.

The SYG law would apply to Martin defending himself - not to the instigator.

51 posted on 03/23/2012 6:34:32 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Maybe it was self defense, maybe it wasn’t.

But for me, that’s for a jury to determine. For the police and the DA to let the shooter just walk - that’s the miscarriage of justice.

If the situation were more clearcut (say a home invasion scenario where homeowner kills invader(s) in self-defense) then sure, decline to prosecute, decline to arrest - nobody would raise an eyebrow (at least I wouldn’t).

But this situation is not that. That’s what grand juries and juries are for.

I’m not arguing guilt or innocence. I’m arguing the decision to circumvent the system that determines guilt or innocence.


52 posted on 03/23/2012 6:34:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SoothingDave

Is that why the “yout” was pounding the poop out of him?

We don’t know what happened.

We have 911 audio which documents zimmerman calling for help.

The picture in the media does not show this was a 6 foot 2 kid.

also zimmerman did call police also.

again we do not know. But rest assured the just appointed state wide prosecutor will provide the requested mob feeding.


53 posted on 03/23/2012 6:36:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SoothingDave

“That so many FReepers are quick to label any black person as a thug or a “hood rat” is a disgrace.”

i absolutely agree. Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin. In the 911 call Zimmerman says ‘he’s running away’. Zimmerman followed, probably scared the kid. If there were ‘blows’, the KID was defending himself. Zimmerman then shot him.

Zimmerman stalked this kid. Zimmerman is a ‘wannabe stud he-man hero’. The police were incompetent.

2nd degree murder charges should be filed against Zimmerman.


54 posted on 03/23/2012 6:36:54 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think that Zimmerman’s behavior precipitated the whole incident. A trial will sort all of that out. However,....

The media, particularly HLN network, is perfectly happy to declare Zimmerman guilty without a trial. The publicity wh—e show hosts there have declared that the Martin boy was “lynched with a gun.” They have interviewed folk talking about a recurrence of race riots like those in LA. They did nothing yesterday but fan flames for their own ratings.


55 posted on 03/23/2012 6:36:54 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well if his father says that, it must be true.


56 posted on 03/23/2012 6:37:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: SoothingDave

I agree and I have read the reports and I have listened to the tapes.

I won’t demonize Zimmerman. I think he truly was fed up with all the burglaries in his neighborhood and figured he could follow this Martin and somehow prevent him from leaving till the cops got there. The problem with that is he made the judgment that Martin was guilty without having any probable cause to do so.


57 posted on 03/23/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: wtc911

“The SYG law would apply to Martin defending himself - not to the instigator.”

ABSOLUTELY!


58 posted on 03/23/2012 6:39:01 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SoothingDave

Oh, absolutely - watch, and call 911.

Now, you don’t know that he “accosted” Martin, just that he was following him. Obviously an [avoidable] altercation occurred, and Zim putting himself in a position where he had to defend himself with deadly force was a very STUPID thing to do.

However, beating Zim on the ground was also a very STUPID thing for Martin to do.


59 posted on 03/23/2012 6:39:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

But what kept Zimmerman from simply watching the boy from a distance until he reached his destination? Why get out and confront? Zimmerman made mistakes that precipitated the incident.


60 posted on 03/23/2012 6:39:35 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: wtc911

I meant in terms of whether it was purely self defense. Yes it was to a degree self defense but in my opinion it does not rise to the level of a totally innocent person who takes action to keep themselves from being killed or harmed in an unprovoked attack.

So bottom line I agree with you. Zimmerman would not have had to defend himself if he had not confronted Martin.


61 posted on 03/23/2012 6:40:19 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Clara Lou

I’m with you, he shouldn’t have tried to detain him.

From the 911 call, it sounded like Martin was running for it, and Zim didn’t want the “burglar” to get away to come back another time.
Faster police response time would have also been a preventative situation.


62 posted on 03/23/2012 6:42:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: lastchance

Are you aware that shortly after Mr. Zimmerman got out of his truck Trayvon ran off into the darkness?


63 posted on 03/23/2012 6:43:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SoothingDave

how about the people who died because nobody listened to him?

(remember the networks paid money to jewel)


64 posted on 03/23/2012 6:44:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SoothingDave
...Zimmerman hunted down and killed someone.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Neighborhood Watch is supposed to... you know... keep an eye on suspicious folks casing your neighborhood.

You don't get to beat the hell out of someone just because they ask you why your are skulking around in the rain...

65 posted on 03/23/2012 6:44:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: SoothingDave

You haven’t read the police reports or listened to the 911 calls have you? Just answer the question.


66 posted on 03/23/2012 6:46:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SoothingDave

Since when is asking someone a question “accosting”?


67 posted on 03/23/2012 6:46:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: SoothingDave

if someone has a hoodie on over their head, how do you know the skin color of the person?

are their special hoodie penetrating glasses?

also this is FL, just how cold was it to require a hoddie?


68 posted on 03/23/2012 6:47:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Are you aware that shortly after Mr. Zimmerman got out of his truck Trayvon ran off into the darkness?

Then he must have been a criminal. He deserved to be shot.

69 posted on 03/23/2012 6:48:16 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Jack Hydrazine
shortly after Mr. Zimmerman got out of his truck Trayvon ran off into the darkness
So? It wasn't Mr. Neighborhood Watch's responsibility to go after him, as the dispatcher made known to him. In this country, we are supposed to be able to run off if we choose, unless guilty of a crime-- and this kid wasn't. (I would certainly run away if I were minding my own business and some guy was following me in a vehicle, and I'm an adult. That's what we advise our children to do when they feel themselves in danger from a stranger.)

Zimmerman made bad choices that resulted in someone's death.

70 posted on 03/23/2012 6:50:45 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Neighborhood Watch is supposed to... you know... keep an eye on suspicious folks casing your neighborhood.

You don't get to beat the hell out of someone just because they ask you why your are skulking around in the rain...

Here's that racism I was talking about. Assuming that a black person is "casing" and "skulking," based on what?

If Zimmerman decided to jump out of his car to "question" a blonde girl, would you defend that? Is blonde girl walking back from the store also "casing" and "skulking"?

Or does it depend on if she has a hooded sweatshirt on?

71 posted on 03/23/2012 6:50:45 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Base on what I read so far, the glaring problem Zimmerman faces is following Martin after the police operator told him not to and let the police do that when they arrive. Post 17 outlines witness seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman giving him a beating before Zimmerman while pinned to the ground was able to get his handgun out and shoot his beater. What happen between that time and the time Zimmerman shot Martin is going to determine his innocence or guilt?


72 posted on 03/23/2012 6:50:51 AM PDT by Fee
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To: longtermmemmory
if someone has a hoodie on over their head, how do you know the skin color of the person? are their special hoodie penetrating glasses? also this is FL, just how cold was it to require a hoddie?

They have faces and hands, do they not?

And I guess in your haste to criminalize outerwear you forgot that it was raining. Hoods and other headwear are useful to protect one's head in the rain.

74 posted on 03/23/2012 6:52:11 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: lastchance
If Martin (and who will ever now) thought he was in danger from this large strange guy who was making unfounded accusation against him, then yeah Martin was right to defend himself.

In the initial police report, Zimmerman is listed as 5-9, Martin is listed as 6-0.

75 posted on 03/23/2012 6:53:51 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rarestia

Better yet half Jewish.


76 posted on 03/23/2012 6:56:07 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Clara Lou

Mr. Zimmerman did not go after him when Trayvon fled into the darkness. Mr. Zimmerman headed back to his truck but did not make it because Trayvon turned around and jumped him. Mr. Zimmerman was on his back with Trayvon on his chest beating in his face. Witnesses saw this happen and told that to police.

If you were ambushed in the dark and had some thug on top of you beating in your face what would you do? Start sing “Kum Bay Ya”?


77 posted on 03/23/2012 6:56:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

So, you can’t tell me what is wrong with my facts? And you have to insult people?

That’s a strong argument.


78 posted on 03/23/2012 6:57:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Your “facts” are Leftist media based.

Just answer the question. Have you read the police reports or listened to the 911 calls? Why can’t you answer the question? Are you afraid to do so because it’ll prove just how much of a stooge you are for the lies the Leftist media propagates?

It is a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer to my question. I’m starting to think you are a Leftist troll.


79 posted on 03/23/2012 7:00:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Moonman62

From the photos at least Zimmerman looks to outweigh Martin.

I have to wonder why would somebody follow a person after knowing the police were on the way and when they claimed the person was acting strange because they thought he was on drugs? Wouldn’t most people figure the reasonable thing to do was to let the cops handle this person? Wouldn’t most people if they thought a person under the influence of drugs might have a weapon figure the reasonable thing to do was to stay away from that person?


80 posted on 03/23/2012 7:01:57 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I have not personally done so. But I have read enough to know that the facts are still in dispute. What has been revealed, coupled with the racist attitudes on display make it tough to defend Mr. Zimmerman.

Not everyone who disagrees with chasing down “suspicious” people and shooting people is a leftist troll. Get a grip on yourself.

This Zimmerman gives rational gun owners a bad name. That’s hardly a “leftist troll” complaint.


81 posted on 03/23/2012 7:03:54 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Since when did such behavior become a death penalty crime?

Zimmerman did not witness any criminal behavior by Martin. Looking around at houses in a neighborhood you are unfamiliar with is not outside the range of normal innocent behavior. Zimmerman certainly was not in any danger of harm or being killed when he called police to report Martin.


82 posted on 03/23/2012 7:06:40 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Clara Lou
Mr. Zimmerman headed back to his truck but did not make it because Trayvon turned around and jumped him.

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You keep spreading this fantasy without any evidence of any kind to support it.

When asked for the source of your fantasy you simply say "prove me wrong". IOW...prove that something isn't there (in the tapes).

Well, the proof is in the tapes themselves...they contain nothing that you state is there.

I read that Jack Hydrazine is a cross-dressing deadbeat who has been convicted of illegal relations with a goat....prove me wrong.

83 posted on 03/23/2012 7:06:54 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SoothingDave

There we go. Finally! You are just repeating the Left’s lies and distortions. Benjamin Franklin is quoted as saying something to the effect, “If you don’t read the news you are uninformed. If you read the news you are mis-informed.”

Before you go and regurgitate their crap go and read the police reports and listen to the 911 calls. Otherwise you just make yourself look like a fool, an idiot, and a moron.


84 posted on 03/23/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; SoothingDave
Answer the question, moron. Did you or did you not read the police reports and listen to the 911 calls?

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I listened - twice. You are outright lying about what is in them.

85 posted on 03/23/2012 7:09:53 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

I have read the police reports and listened to the 911 calls. The witnesses told police that Trayvon attacked him and fired in self defense. If the witnesses had seen it happen the other way around Mr. Zimmerman would be in jail.

Just shut up you Leftist troll.


86 posted on 03/23/2012 7:11:15 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: wtc911

No I am not you Leftist troll. You are also saying that Mr. Zimmerman is lying, the witnesses are lying, the police lying, and everyone who disagrees with you are lying and the only people telling the truth is the Leftist media and racebaiters!


87 posted on 03/23/2012 7:13:57 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

There are witnesses who contradict what Zimmerman told the police. I have listened to the 911 tapes and it sure as heck sounds like Martin howling, crying on the tapes.

I can find no witness statements that Zimmerman was jumped.


88 posted on 03/23/2012 7:15:02 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: G Larry

Your summary was helpful.

Thanks.


89 posted on 03/23/2012 7:18:42 AM PDT by super7man
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To: lastchance

The dead kid was seen on top of the shooter, beating him!

I don’t believe the “shot him running away” crap.


90 posted on 03/23/2012 7:22:41 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
No. You are lying. The tapes and reports are around for all to read. None of them state that Martin surprised and attacked Zimmerman...that is all you.

Want to show you're not lying...show the transcripts or reports that you claim to have read and that support your version...should be easy to do.

91 posted on 03/23/2012 7:26:54 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SoothingDave
What have I said about the situation that is untrue?

How about the outright slander that ... "Like many FReepers, he was sure that any black person, especially one with a hoodie on, must be a criminal."

92 posted on 03/23/2012 7:27:11 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: G Larry

I know that but there (as far as I can find) not witness who states that Martin jumped Zimmerman.


93 posted on 03/23/2012 7:27:16 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Dudoight

“Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin”

Wrong.

I’ve seen this asserted many times and it’s just not right. If it’s not too much trouble do you think it would be helpful not to spread misleading information?


94 posted on 03/23/2012 7:28:21 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; freeangel; Cowgirl of Justice; Cringing Negativism Network; rarestia; ...

Young black men killing each other is the most common way for a young black man to die.

Whites killing blacks is rare.

Hispanics killing black men is rare.

Black men killing black men is common.

The MSM doesn’t care about the slaughter in black communities with blacks killing blacks - because it’s NOT politically useful. The MSM turns black feelings of inferiority into rage - black groups into out-of-control vigilantes. The result is higher black voter turnout.

The ‘press’ knows what they’re doing. It’s not an accident - - they ARE aware - watch this and see..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


95 posted on 03/23/2012 7:30:41 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
A) "I have read the police reports and listened to the 911 calls. The witnesses told police that Trayvon attacked him and fired in self defense."

B) "Shut up you leftist troll."

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A) I read the reports and listened yo the tapes too. You are lying.

B) Want to shut me up? Show the witness tapes/statements that say that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

96 posted on 03/23/2012 7:31:21 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: lastchance
Zimmerman...figured he could follow this Martin and somehow prevent him from leaving till the cops got there. The problem with that is he made the judgment that Martin was guilty without having any probable cause to do so.

The problem with this theory is that Zimmerman had time to detain Trayvon Martin, if that was his intent, while he was observing him. Instead, he maintained his observational distance and was on the phone with Police.

97 posted on 03/23/2012 7:35:44 AM PDT by csense
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Let’s seewhat the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) of Florida has to say. “The alleged action of a ‘self-appointed neighborhood watchman’ last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” NSA Executive Director Sheriff Aaron D. Kennard, said in the press statement. “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”

When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

“In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket,” Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens’ Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. “Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon.”

Despite this, Zimmerman admitted that he had fired a weapon on the night of the incident. In addition, the non-emergency call Zimmerman placed on February 26 before the shooting revealed he had been pursuing Martin by car before accosting the youth on foot — all direct violations of Neighborhood Watch policies.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization.php?page=1


98 posted on 03/23/2012 7:37:50 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Servant of the Cross

Truth is a defense against slander. I didn’t say all FReepers, but there are too many to count that are obviously driven by racist beliefs.

Why the rush to defame the dead man?

Why is he referred to as a thug and a hood-rat? Why is his clothing an automatic reason to suspect him?

Don’t you have eyes?


99 posted on 03/23/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: csense

It’s news to me that a neighborhood watch person has any authority to ‘detain’ anybody. I’m all for letting this case go to court, assuming there is an indictment, and withold NAACP conviction. WHY this bozo thought it was proper to do anything other than calling in the cops for cop work I can’t fathom. It’s called neighborhood WATCH, not neighborhood SHOOT.


100 posted on 03/23/2012 7:40:50 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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