Skip to comments.No, Senator Santorum, Obama and Romney arenít the same
Posted on 03/23/2012 6:11:26 AM PDT by RobinMasters
As someone who supports Rick Santorum for President, and who will caucus tomorrow in the next phase of Minnesotas political process as a delegate, I understand the need to replace Barack Obama in 2012 in order to right the American ship of state and address the serious problems that Obama has either created, amplified, or ignored over the last three years. I do, however, wonder whether Senator Santorum understands that need. Yesterday, as Allahpundit noted with excellent analysis, Santorum told a Louisiana audience that if Mitt Romney won the nomination, wed be better off sticking with what weve already got:
You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone whos just going to be a little different than the person in there. If youre going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future, Santorum told a crowd at USAA.
Er, no, we wouldnt be better off with Obama than with Romney, for many reasons. Before we get to those reasons, lets note that Newt Gingrich, at least, does get this right:
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I would expect no less of a headline from Drudge these days.
Rick has stepped into the dark side.
He needs to go away.
Romney - Obama = Both ineligible
Romney - Obama = Both for ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE
Romney - Obama = Both with Soros
Romney - Obama = Both for IAG
Romney - Obama = Both lie when necessary
Romney - Obama = Both attack Gov. Palin and her children.
Romney - Obama = Both ruined the economies of what they should not have
Romney - Obama = Both pi$$ed on a Constitution when they could.
It's almost comical to see the Newt crowd just gloat over this gaffe. They would rather a true liberal get the nod, than a man who has been bashed for years by the left as being too conservative. Admittedly, his conservative credentials aren't perfect, but he's the only one with a shot at derailing Romney and the Newtbots couldn't care less. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. At least Drudge, being totally in the tank for Romney has an excuse.
Rick may be right.
If Obama stays in office the fallout from his socialistic disaster can be laid at the feet of the Democrats.
If we elect Romney, (and he continues the socialistic policies) we will own the disaster.
Etch a Sketch just hit the campaign trail for the year because you know Obama will use it , too.
their stock price rose to a high 12.50..biggest rise ever in 30 years
but I do find this funny from the guy who mentioned them:
“”Etch A Sketch stock is up? Psst, I’ll mention Mr. Potato Head next. Buy Hasbro,” he tweeted with a link to a National Journal story about the stock jump.”
Both are strong abortion advocates, both favor strong gun control, both favor radical homosexual agenda... Romney has better hair, but that’s the only difference I can come up with.
We are on the brink folks.
This is not a game, we might not be able to undo this mess, in 4 years.
Newt was my favorite, but the only think Newt can do for us, at this point, is protect the Party Platform and help to push Romney to the right.
Did that help the anti-Communist Russians, in any way?
I do not trust Romney to be a true Conservative.
However, I do not believe that Romney is coldblooded tyrant.
I know that Obama IS a cold blooded tyrant.
First, he didn’t explicitly say “I’d vote for Obama over Romney”. What he was doing was saying what a lot of people here have said — that Romney might not be that big a contrast to Obama.
GIven that this isn’t a policy issue, or something where if you follow his words you’ll do the wrong thing (it was meant to stop people from voting for Romney, and that is the RIGHT thing), I don’t see what the point is of making a big deal out of the statement. He’s already pointed out that he won’t vote for Obama over Romney. As others have noted, he endorsed Romney in 2008 against Huckabee and McCain, so does it make sense he would vote for Obama over Romney now?
Still waiting to hear the difference
“The Communists own Stalin.
Did that help the anti-Communist Russians, in any way?”
Yes it did - eventually.
I do not trust Romney to be a true Conservative.
However, I do not believe that Romney is coldblooded tyrant.
It’s a moot point really, because Romney can’t beat Obama.
But if you don't want Romney, what choice is there?
Poll Date Sample MoE Romney Santorum Gingrich Paul Spread RCP Average 3/7 - 3/21 Romney : 36.3 Santorum: 28.7 : - 7.6% Gingrich: 15.6 : -20.7% Paul : 10.9 : -25.4%Santorum is closer to Romney than Gingrich is to Santorum. At least you can still beat Romney by adding Santorum and Gingrich together, although it is bothersome that they don't add up to 50%.
I do think Rick has gotten somewhat desperate lately, launching the Bain attack, this comment, bringing up the dog incident -- just like Gingrich got desparate in Florida.
Who knows how this would have played out if one or the other of them had been able to stay on-message?
I can recall 10 different major gaffes from Santorum in the last month alone. Since he suddenly became a front runner in the last 2 months, it is quite obvious that he seriously lacks the ability to be a great leader. His entire candidacy is a complete joke, and his followers keep on having to explain what he “really meant”, or what he was “actually saying”.
Santotum is in WAY over his head, as are his ignorant supporters. And this is why we are losing. All blame belongs to the source, (Santorum himself) not the press, or the Newt supporters.
Hey Morrisey! Bite me!
Who listens to you anyways?
Santorum is absolutely correct.
Romney in the WH will solidify the GOP-E.
Obama in the WH means we take the Senate and add to the House and importantly we destroy the ‘E’ in GOP-E and replace it with ‘TP’ to achieve GOP-TP.
It is more important to clean out our betrayers, our Benedict Arnolds, our democrat infiltrators FIRST and then move against the demonrats. And not to worry about Obullsh*t, he will be neutered with GOP-TP control of Congress.
I was a Santorum supporter in spite of his support for Specter, etc. He did well in debates and is the most conservative of the candidates. But this statement is so far out that it will only cost him support and reveal he is not ready to take on Obama. What a shame.
Criticizing the candidates’ FReeper supporters is unproductive.
The discussion should be based on the candidates, their experience, their policy proposals and ability to communicate a conservative message.
If we ignore the color of their skin and try to delve into their character, we are left wondering what the difference is between Romney and Obama. Both have no core convictions. Both will say anything to get elected. Both will do whatever they want the Constitution be damned.
The only differences I really see other than pigmentation are one has ears that stick out and one plays basketball and golf to excess.
"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."
[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]
Alex Beam: In truth, Ronald Reagan
and Mitt Romney have as much in common
as Cardinal OMalley and Conan OBrien.
Deservedly or not, Reagan earned a reputation for constancy.
Once he turned against communism, he opposed it big-time.
. And our former governor? Inconstancy, thy name is Mitt!
A womans right to choose? Yes! No! Yes!
Are we in Massachusetts? Yes! Are we in Iowa? No!
Are we on TV? Whatever!
Can anybody name the two candidate that socialized medicine in there jurisdictions when they had a chance?
True... obama is a muslim.
“It’s almost comical to see the Newt crowd just gloat over this gaffe.”
That’s childish! This isn’t a game. We’re not electing anyone to the all-star team. It’s about who we think is best suited to defeat Obama and the democrats. To say were for or against some candidate because of some intemperate remark made in a political context is ridiculous. In unguarded moments, they’ve all done it. I’m not a Romney supporter but I thinker Obama’s a bigger threat right now.
Must be nice to have your own personal webpage promoting your candidacy, eh Mitt.
Drudge has jumped the shark into loss of credibility
I would urge and request the voters in tomorrow’s Louisiana POTUS primary to vote for any candidate other then Rick Santorum!!! The words uttered by Santorum are uncalled for and unacceptable. Barack Hussein Obama is a serial liar, an America hater, an adoree of the anti-American “Muslim Brotherhood, a follower of America haters, Wright, Jones, Ayers, Alinsky, Jarrett, Holder, Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson, etc., etc. I would vote for a blind monkey, with one hand tied behind his back, before I would cast a ballot for Obama. Rick Santorum in not only toast, he is burnt toast. For goodness sakes, Obama is the absolute worst President our country has ever had. How Santorum could have uttered the words he said has to make one wonder if Mr. Santorum has all his marbles.
Romney is right in bed with Obama on economic policy as well. His left-wing record on economics follows. Here is all the evidence you need that he’s the next John Corzine, i.e. a liberal high-finance businessman who’s incompetent on government fiscal policy and cannot be trusted...
* Socialized medicine under Romneycare, his staff went on to help design Obamacare
* Taxpayer-funded abortion through Planned Parenthood
* Raised taxes/fees to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in Massachusetts, including 400% hike in the gas tax
* Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 in job creation under his tenure as governor
* Wants taxes to be higher on people making $200,000 or more; even Obama only wants them higher on $250,000 or more
* The Wall Street Journal said his tax plan is timid and similar to Obamas
* Said the poor are doing just fine by being stuck in the safety net and he isnt concerned with them
* Refused to speak out in favor of John Kasichs efforts in Ohio to curb union abuses
* Said the minimum wage should be indexed to inflation, a classic bleeding heart liberal job-killing policy
* Believes in the class warfare mantra that creates policies to help some classes but not others
For Rick to be right then Rush must be wrong because even he has been stating for months that any Republican candidate is better then Obama.
If we don’t put decent candidates in the House and Senate to back him up at a local and federal level then it wont matter because the Repub Pres is not going to make the necessary changes anyways.
And I’d say the socialist disaster has been happening for many many years with uncontrollable spending. There has been shared responsibility in never ending it.
Santorum is a loose cannon. A disgrace. His delusions of granduer have seized his ability to reason. He had dreams of being the first Italian-American immigrant son and Catholic to grab the reins of politics. Instead of playing with the knobs of an etch a sketch before a distinguished group like USAA in San Antonio, he should be sitting in a corner playing with his navel. Newt has been drowned out because of Santorum. The ongoing debate between Romney and Newt was important. Thanks to people like Mark Levin, Santorum has been made into some special answer to Conservative questions. He was not the answer, my friend! There. I said it! Drop out, Rick. Let the primary dust settle so we can get about the business of winning this election. Take your petty silliness to some other arena like a kitchen table. I understood the point Romney’s aide was making with the etch a sketch analogy. It was a stupid comparison but I got it. Candidates have always talked about running toward the right in primaries and ending up in the center for generals.
Yep, this is the John Kerry windsurfing moment of 2012. Romney is now more unelectable than ever. As far as I saw, Drudge never even mentioned the Etch-A-Sketch gaffe on the top of his page. It only appeared lower down later in the day with a defensive headline saying it wasn't that bad, or something. It's stunning how many supposed Republicans swallow Drudge's sludge. I thought after years of dealing with the MSM they'd be better at detecting liberal bias in the media. Rick was simply voicing what he thought the average voter would think, he wasn't advocating voting for Obama over Romney. Just like with ABC, Drudge is working in coordination with the MSM directly to sabotage conservative Republicans, in this case by cooking up a bogus headline that doesn't represent what the candidate actually said.
I don't like Romney but I am sick of Rick!
Here are the choices...
White version of fubo with an r after his name.
The bushes fourth term.
Nut job through and through.
Pissed off former conservative revolution leader, smarter and more savvy than the rest combined.
Did I miss anything?
Obamacare was robo-signed by Congress, and is therefore illegal.
Obamacare was 2700 pages long, but is still being written, but not by Congress: witness the forced contraception coverage recently.
Obamacare has caused The Catholic Spring.
Obamacare reduces competition, and therefore is illegal by the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law.
Obamacare is designed to be a US Federal Government monopoly, with no competition.
Obamacare also is illegal according to the US Constitution, because it violates our freedom of choice.
Will THE NINE SUPREMES notice any of these three violations? I seriously doubt it.
Impeached Bill Clinton proved that the US President is above US Federal Law, so anything that the President wants he gets, regardless of the Federal Laws that he has violated.
If Romney is the RNC’s Nominee, Obama”care” will be taken off the table as a campaign topic.
BTW, no wonder the Liberal Agenda Media, LAM, and Obama wants the “divisive” Republican Primary Campaign to end and anoint Romney - - - .
PUKE ALERT. Romney is a self-serving socialist who neither understands nor cares about this country nor its traditional values. He's more similar to Bill Clinton, John Corzine and Barack Obama than any other Republican candidate we have. I gladly supported John McCain over him, despite McCain not being my first choice. McCain was far more conservative than Romney. What makes Romney worse than Obama for sure is that he would be redefining the brand of the Republican party, which the Tea Party has been trying to redefine as a conservative party. Romney would stop that movement dead in its tracks and possibly kill it forever if he wins. Unless you thought New Coke was a good idea, it's not a good idea to vote for Romney.
When you have an opponent, Romney, and his RINO media cohorts willing to lie and misquote everything the conservative candidates say, you do have that problem, yes. This is the guy who destroyed Newt's candidacy by lying, saying he "resigned in disgrace." For you to come around blame the victim when he tries to defend himself is very unfair and is exactly what Romney is trying to accomplish.
LibLieSlayer, I understand your sentiments. Romney is a very flawed candidate when it comes to representing consertive principles. But I would vote for my cat over obama in the general if she were the candidate.
We are not there, yet.
The chorus right now is to end the primary, and hand it to Romney, essentially. There is still an ongoing primary. Now is not the time to quit, IMO.
Nah. Rick’s choice is magic holy water.
NO IT ISN'T. If it was, you should be drafting Hillary. It's about electing a CONSERVATIVE who will support conservative policies. Romney is a liar so all we can do is go by his track record in Massachusetts, where he was a huge liberal and the most extreme definition of a RINO that you can find. Therefore, there is virtually no difference between electing Obama or Romney, except by electing Romney you can help destroy the Republican brand name. Sort of like if you took over a famous winery and decided to put Kool-Aid into the bottles instead.
Your points cover about 98% of all politicians in this country....maybe the universe. We have serious business at hand. We have to win the government back at every level. To pose as a person who cares and then degrade the front runner on our side reminds me of the “none of the above” voters. We have to win and make our side heard. Newt should have been heard more but Santorum took center stage thanks to the media. Now they have him playing with an etch a sketch. We can make our leaders...even if it’s Romney. We can mold them. We can grow them....but we can’t make them grow up. Santorum acts like a kid.
We had a ready-made advocate for Conservatives in Rick Perry but he was rejected by some of the same hate-Romney crowd. He was rejected by FReepers. He was an icon for conservatism both in his political life and personal life. Romney is not Corzine. I don’t like jumping on the train or getting in the boat or whatever cute little slogan out there. We’re in the trenches now. Anyone but Obama.
Who's "we?" If there's not a conservative on the ballot, me as a conservative won't have anything to fight for. I didn't get involved in the Hillary vs. Obama primary and won't get involved in Romney vs. Obama either. I'll be happy to show up and vote for conservatives in Congress though.
Take That! sez Rick