Skip to comments.No, Senator Santorum, Obama and Romney arenít the same
Posted on 03/23/2012 6:11:26 AM PDT by RobinMasters
As someone who supports Rick Santorum for President, and who will caucus tomorrow in the next phase of Minnesotas political process as a delegate, I understand the need to replace Barack Obama in 2012 in order to right the American ship of state and address the serious problems that Obama has either created, amplified, or ignored over the last three years. I do, however, wonder whether Senator Santorum understands that need. Yesterday, as Allahpundit noted with excellent analysis, Santorum told a Louisiana audience that if Mitt Romney won the nomination, wed be better off sticking with what weve already got:
You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone whos just going to be a little different than the person in there. If youre going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future, Santorum told a crowd at USAA.
Er, no, we wouldnt be better off with Obama than with Romney, for many reasons. Before we get to those reasons, lets note that Newt Gingrich, at least, does get this right:
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“It’s about electing a CONSERVATIVE who will support conservative policies.”
We agree on that account; but who among the candidates do YOU consider a conservative? Because there’s no consensus on who’s the TRUE conservative, Romney’s been able to run about, buck-wild, pretending to be the solution to Obama.
You have got to be kidding! WHAT PARTY PLATFORM WITH ROMNEY???
Romney is no different than voting dem. He is the first Republican candidate that I can not even hold my nose to vote for. For the first time in my life I will not vote for a republican for president thanks to the loony rinos.
With Romney you lose.
I’m still not seeing a big difference. How much did Romney cut taxes in Mass. for instance?
I would have gladly supported anyone who ran in the primary except Romney, Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. I was for Newt most of the time but Perry became my second choice. Santorum is totally acceptable. I don’t disqualify someone because on maybe 10% of votes they got pulled in the wrong direction. He is willing to get out there and defend his principles, not simply cave in every time the going gets tough. That’s one of the most important criteria for being a president, to be a leader, not just a finger-in-the-wind follower.
I don’t care who is the “front runner.” What if it was Hillary Clinton? When would the candidate go to far to the left for you? Romney’s way far over the line for me based on his record as governor. He was socially and fiscally liberal. And on military and national security credibility, he’s shown no more prowess than Herman Cain did, and disturbingly even supported Obama’s domestic security initiative.
We weren’t even able to pull Bush, Sr. to the conservative side even after he promised not to raise taxes. We’d have better luck pushing Obama to be conservative because our party might actually fight for it. They’ll just be rubber-stamping everything Romney does as “team players,” not to mention many want a more liberal platform anyway so they can keep up their cocktail party cred.
"McCain was far more conservative than Romney."You're delusional. Go have a nice lie-down.
"Romney Hates America, too."No, you just have lost any perspective and are borderline on rationality.
The polls show that the most conservative voters are generally not voting for Romney. The "very conservatives" never do, the "somewhat conservatives" wobble, and the moderates and liberals are voting for him. The "somewhat conservatives" are our problem I guess. If they were voting against Romney he wouldn't win. The polls show they've gone wobbly because they believe that "only Romney can beat Obama." I haven't heard any conservative argue for Romney on ANY basis except electability. As for me, I neither agree that Romney is the most conservative nor the most electable, but these people seem to be buying the RINO media spin. The other problem is the Mormons are generally conservative, but they are voting as an almost 100% block for Romney and turning out in huge numbers (25% turnout in Nevada but they're 7% of the population). Without the block Mormon vote, Romney probably wouldn't be winning either.
You mention Rick Perry and I can’t help thinking that it is we conservatives who put us all in this fine pickle we find ourselves in.
We (though not me) lied about Rick Perry on Guardisil and we (though not me) lied about Rick Perry on border issues...
...and now we’ve got a choice between Howdy Doody Rick and Magic Underwear Willard.
We are so f*’d. And we did it to ourselves by not giving GOOD people a chance.
I think Obama and Romney are the same. Romney won’t get my vote in the General. Santorum and Newt will get my vote in the General. GOPe - beware of nominating an Obama clone in Romney. I am writing in either Sarah, Santorum, Cain, Bachmann or Newt. That is the biggest problem I face if Romney gets the nomination.....Who to write in????
Your not thinking clearly. You Romney lovers kill me. You are blinded by his hair.
Write in Casanova Frankenstein for all the good it will do, then retire to somewhere private with a box of Kleenex and concentrate on your purity.
Mittwits have to be pretty hair brained to overlook the fact that he created Obamney care and is on record as stating that, to this day, he believes in the government mandate. Why would anybody in their right mind vote FOR a gun grabbing abortion loving, gay rights cheerleader?
If there isn't a viable 3rd party then just write in Sarah Palin in November. Don't throw your vote away on the Obamney twins.
It will not be long before Jim Robinson will have to make a decision... mine has been made. I will NEVER vote for romney for any reason and I have been upfront and vocal about that since the last election.
I am with you. Also, there is NO WAY that Jim Robinson is going to support Romney as President of the United States. He has way too much character and principles. The GOPe might just win this round but they will not win the battle. We cannot continue to let them make the decisions every single election.
Unfortunately, the “we” is now Republicans. We no longer have the luxury of a tailor-made Conservative. We have to build him/her once in office. The primary season was wasted in that effort because of all the insane space taken up by Herman Cain. The same is now true of Santorum. A joke. A diversion we couldn’t afford if we were to make great strides in the Republican party.
I have often told the story of the near defeat of Conservatives enemy #1, Harry Reid of Nevada. He won his seat by a meager 401 votes in 1998. How important was that? Almost ten thousand voters went to the trouble of voting “none of these candidates.” Had 402 of them voted to give the Republican a chance, Harry Reid wouldn’t have been around to create the anti-conservative movement he perfected. As it turned out, the Republican opponent went on to become a slime ball too in his personal life.
I’m just saying. The public is more informed now. We can afford to hold someone’s feet to the fire but we have to give that person a mandate....not let him win for sentimental reasons. I want to know now who running mates would be.
Man the Romney lovers are out today. I guess you think it is safe now huh? You are so transparent.
Obama scares the daylights out of me, and Romney does not.
They both scare me. Romney will not get rid of Obamacare. Romney will not pick judges that are conservative. Romney might not even extend the Bush Taxes. I don’t see anything positive about voting for Romney. If we get a conservative house and Senate, that will keep Obama from doing crazy things. Plus we also have the opportunity to write in a candidate....if we all do it. Look at Alaska, they had a successful write in candidate (not to our liking) but they did it. It is not unheard of.
Nah. Ricks choice is magic holy water.
That is offensive and not funny at all. Actually a disgusting comment.
I’m not a RINO. I don’t care about the “R” or the party title. I vote conservative no matter which party they’re in or not in. Your argument is that if I vote for a write-in candidate, Romney might not get elected. Why do you think I care? If Romney wins, the Tea Party loses and the urban elite establishment Rockefeller Republicans win. You don’t seem to understand that the Republican Congress won’t push Romney to the right. They are the ones who tried to push Bush to the left, by running away from Social Security reform for example. The President is the leader and there is no way the Congress controlled by his own party will oppose him on anything unless he becomes extremely unpopular, which admittedly, Romney probably eventually would as his one term as governor demonstrated.
So Herman Cain and Santorum are “insane” and “jokes?” No, Romney is the joke. He has no business being in the Republican party. Cain and Santorum would make fine conservative standard-bearers for the party. Cain was weak on foreign policy, that was his only problem. No conservative could possibly think Romney is better than Cain or Santorum, so what are you then?
Reid’s just a puppet, a weak guy hand-picked by the real liberal Senate leaders like Schumer to be a punching bag for the opposition while they pulled the strings from their comfortable position behind the scenes.
You're delusional. Go have a nice lie-down.
When did McCain support socialized medicine, taxpayer-funded abortion and homosexual marriage?
Which comment? Magic underwear, or magic holy water? Both?
My vote will not matter... Mississippi will go for the republican without a doubt... but I cannot vote for romney. My faith will not allow me to vote for a baby killing leftist.
I can’t imagine FR as a site ever backing Romney.
For me, the question will be whether FR will tolerate people arguing that we should VOTE for Romney rather than stay home or vote for 3rd-party.
Here are the results of the exit polls from Illinois. Remember, of course, that political views are self-identified; someone can SAY they are conservative, and not be conservative. Still, it paints a different picture than you do:
Very Conservative : Santorum 48%, Romney 37% Somewhat Conservative: Romney 55%, Santorum 31% Moderate To Liberal : Romney 48%, Santorum 27%, Paul 17% Tea Party - Support : Romney 47%, Santorum 36% Tea Party - Neutral : Romney 47%, Santorum 36% Tea Party - Oppose : Romney 53%, Santorum 23%, Paul 17%For comparison, here's Mississippi:
Very Conservative : Rick 39%, Newt 35%, Mitt 22% Somewhat Conservative: Mitt 33%, Rick 31%, Newt 31% Moderate to Liberal : Mitt 38%, Newt 28%, Rick 26% Tea Party - Support : Rick 34%, Newt 34%, Mitt 27% Tea Party - Neutral : Mitt 35%, Rick 32%, Newt 27% Tea Party - Oppose : Mitt 37%, Rick 30%, Newt 21%I'd have to do more comparisons, but it seems in a very conservative state, Mitt still draws too much support from "very conservatives", and he "wins" the somewhate conservative, although split 3 ways. With only two candidates, or maybe it's just the "inevitability" sneaking in, he does way too well with both groups.
A LOT of attitudes would have to switch for Romney to crater among Tea party supporters or the very conservative and conservative voters. He is, for whatever reason, getting support across the political spectrum, including conservatives and tea party folks. That more than anything is keeping him in the front.
My comment “now is not the time to quit” was to those who still have upcoming primaries.....(I now know that does not include you)
I hate Romney, only because he’s the scum of the earth, you moron. However, the level to which I loathe Obama is such that I truly could bring the law upon myself discussing it in a public forum. Just because we don’t play your Onanistic write-in games doesn’t make any one a Mitt lover. Says a lot that that’s all you got, boy. See if you can see thru that.
I wanted Newt, but I will support Romney. Better him than Saint-orum’s big-government conservatism and certainly better Mitt than Barry Soetero.
Support Romney? I can’t do that. He will garner no support from me whatsoever. I might—might vote for him, that would be about the best I can do for Romney but otherwise he and the Party Apparatchiks are on their own. They got their candidate, now lets see them win after telling the conservatives to go to hell.
I hate Romney, only because hes the scum of the earth, you moron.
I don’t believe you. You are going to vote for him which means you agree with him on his platform. And you call me a moron. You want to destroy the country. Forget it.
News flash Einstein: You called me a Romney lover. I called you a moron. Even someone as disingenuous as yourself can easily figure out which of us got insulted worse.
You called me a Romney lover.
Bottom line. Are you voting for Romney? That is what I mean by Romney Lover. You cannot be a Romney hater and vote for him. That does not make sense. Maybe saying You like Romney would have been better, but it is the same. You support and agree with Romney which is why he is getting your vote. I will NEVER vote for a faux conservative as badly as Romney. He is plastic and fake.
Rick is NOT right. This is the same attitude that brought us Obama in 2008. Rick’s remark is even more strange given his support for Romney at the time.
Rick is NOT right. If Romney wins the nomination, expect Rick to endorse him.
I agree with you 100% about Jim... but I just was not going to presume to speak for him. Thanks for seeing the world as it is... too many rose colored lenses on FR these days.
Let’s just hope both of us don’t have to face this disaster. I guess there is still time.
Given your druthers - Rick or Newt? I'm Newt, for the record.
I don’t like either of them...but I’m tired of Rick’s holier than thou attitude...and he can’t keep his foot out of his mouth!
You missed a couple of my points by a country mile but it's okay. We just disagree and I don't attempt to persuade after most FReepers and the Tea Party rejected Governor Perry. It became clear to me that winning the presidency was of no importance. Neither Cain, Bachman, nor Santorum would succeed in that effort. I'll vote for whomever is in the Republican slot in the general election. Making a statement by not voting does nothing and insults our right to vote. It's very likely Romney has been battered beyond repair. Most people don't know or don't like Santorum. Newt = great statesman with baggage too heavy to carry. The presidency doesn't matter nearly as much as the congress and local elections. What am I? I'm a sensible, fiscal conservative who believes social issues are controlled through good parents and churches demanding the best thing for their kids at the local level. I believe the president is but a figurehead.
Most people I've seen say they'll be showing up to vote for their Congressmen and writing in a President if there is no conservative choice available. I'm considering Newt/Palin or Newt/West myself. I definitely don't believe Newt has too much "baggage," certainly not compared to Obama. Most incumbent presidential elections are a referendum on the economy, so it was stupid for anyone to consider "electability" to such a degree. However, this is the first time we might lose even in a bad economy, because it's extremely unusual for the party to nominate a candidate who is both unlikable and way on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the party's base. Mitt from the beginning was the most unelectable candidate of the bunch except possibly for Gary Johnson.
Good parents and churches can't restore my legal right to stop my children from being aborted without my knowledge or consent. And they can't stop tax and legal benefits from being bestowed on homosexual couples as if their actions were equivalent to that of a married husband and wife.
“And they can’t stop tax and legal benefits from being bestowed on homosexual couples as if their actions were equivalent to that of a married husband and wife.”
Yes it can but the fight is long. We just attempted to recall our mayor for overturning the vote of the people who had voted not to give benefits. We had our petition overturned because those petitions were made available in churches. Our side appealed but all three judges ruled in favor of the mayor because of the petitions being in churches. It’s a fight that has to be fought. The ground rules have to be identified. We only have to know what to do like the other side does. Money is the key to everything. Without money, they can’t impose their will. As far as abortion goes, stopping it is never going to be a reality. Stopping the money to fund it with taxpayer dollars is the only thing we can do. Having only two social issues as a prerequisite for choosing a president narrows your choices because of the law. No candidate can say they’ll ignore the law.
I’m fine with my choices being narrowed. These issues matter because of a president’s power to appoint judges not to mention their role in approving legislation as well as direct executive orders such as the Mexico City policy.
And under a Santorum Presidency, Etch A Sketch would pay 0% taxes. Let’s hear it for manufacturing!
The fight is more important than voting “none of the above.” We have to beat them at their own game using money and the courts. Losing battles on the way to winning wars.
This from our local TV station NewsChannel 9 El Paso TX.
Texas’ Highest Court Denies Motion Against Cook
Updated: 47 minutes ago
There’s good news for El Paso Mayor John Cook. The Texas Supreme Court might not hear another appeal for a recall election until it’s too late.
Mayor Cook is scheduled to leave office in June of next year. Any recall would have to take place within a year of his departure, and that makes this June the deadline for The Supreme Court to hear the case. Recall organizers are running out of time to kick the mayor out of office.
Mayor Cook says the recall election would cost El Pasoans $1.3 million dollars.
He says that he isn’t against a recall if it’s conducted legally.
“If people want to recall an elected official and they get the requisite number of petitions that are gathered legally, then that’s their right. It’s in our charter. It’s in the state law,” said Cook.
Tom Brown with Word of Life Church led the recall effort after Mayor Cook and two city reps voted to reinstate healthcare benefits to unmarried partners of city employees.
After Friday’s ruling, Brown’s attorney Theresa Caballero said, “Courts have no business stopping elections. Period.”.
Caballero has a stern message for anyone who prevents the recall.
“Any judge who thinks they have the right to stop an election should be raked over the coals,” said Caballero.
Mayor Cook admits the effort to recall him has been stressful, but he wants his experience to teach his grandson an important life lesson.
“I said, you know Christian, I want you to learn a lesson from this that’s if you really believe in something, regardless of what the consequence is, you should stand up for what you think is right. Even if I had been recalled from office, I would have walked out of office proud that I stood up for what I thought was right,” said Cook.
Mayor Cook says he has almost $300,000 dollars in legal fees after fighting the recall effort. He plans to ask a judge to make Pastor Brown pay the bill. If a judge denies that request, he says he will accept any donation the public is willing to give.