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Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?
World Net Daily ^ | 3-23-12 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/23/2012 10:19:29 AM PDT by ReformationFan

Polygamy has had very little support in the U.S. since the Republican Party in 1854 declared it, along with slavery, one of the “twin relics of barbarism,” and Congress banned it in 1862. The Mormon church officially abandoned plural marriage in 1890.

But when the California Supreme Court ruled in 2010 in favor of homosexual marriage, one dissenting justice warned that it would not be illogical to expect that support for polygamy soon would follow.

In fact, a polygamous group in Utah just last month challenged a ban on the practice in court, and now a new WND/Wenzel Poll, conducted exclusively for WND by the public-opinion research and media consulting company Wenzel Strategies, indicates there is a surprisingly high level of support developing across the U.S.

A full 22 percent of the respondents say there is no legal justification for denying polygamy, based on the fact that legislation and judicial decisions have affirmed the validity of same-sex “marriage” for homosexuals.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; polyamory; polygamy; polygyny
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1 posted on 03/23/2012 10:19:39 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Followed by marriage to dogs, cats, sheep and cows.


2 posted on 03/23/2012 10:22:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“Followed by marriage to dogs, cats, sheep and cows.”

Nope — next will be marriage between adults and children. The floodgates are open now. The combination of “multi-culturism” and redefinition of marriage will make this a terrible possiblity.


3 posted on 03/23/2012 10:25:49 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: driftdiver
Followed by marriage to dogs, cats, sheep and cows.

How about vegetables? Can I marry my favorite garden plants? I am especially fond of one of my bean stalks.

4 posted on 03/23/2012 10:28:03 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ReformationFan

I couldn’t afford another wife so this is moot to me.


5 posted on 03/23/2012 10:28:58 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: ReformationFan

Maybe it’s popular because there’s something in it for everyone. The guy’s point of view is obvious. The woman’s—well she gets part of a guy, but if she’s doing it by choice rather than force, she gets to be in the household of a real stud. After all, that’s the way it works for many of our sports stars. Think of it as a “half a loaf” argument.


6 posted on 03/23/2012 10:30:02 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ReformationFan

Ann Coulter might get her wish.


7 posted on 03/23/2012 10:30:12 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (RIP Tea Party 2009-2012)
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To: ReformationFan
Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?

Because depravity is our nature.

8 posted on 03/23/2012 10:33:12 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ReformationFan

Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?
When God’s moral code is abandoned, there is no bottom to the depths of depravity so many find ‘cool’.


9 posted on 03/23/2012 10:36:03 AM PDT by STYRO (I do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: ReformationFan

Just an observation but a man who lives with five women or a woman who lives with five men or any combination or permutation one wants to consider is breaking no civil law. It seems odd to me that someone so inclined would court jail time just to get married when it’s clear that there is nothing about “marriage” they respect. I suppose it might be about civil benefits but any move in that direction would be an admission of violation of the law.


10 posted on 03/23/2012 10:40:35 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion x)
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To: ReformationFan
In so far as deviancy goes, thrusting your schlong into multiple women to whom you are actually married is less deviant than thrusting it into multiple women with whom you are not married.

And that, in turn, is less depraved than doing what the homos do. And which I refuse to provide more details about.

11 posted on 03/23/2012 10:40:39 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ReformationFan
Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?

Because they like to be nagged in Surround Sound

12 posted on 03/23/2012 10:45:19 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: ReformationFan

i figure if any man is dumb enough to put himself in a position to get nagged at in stereo, then he has only hisself to blame!

“harcourt fenton mudd!”


13 posted on 03/23/2012 10:49:00 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Longbow1969

how abotu kumquats?


14 posted on 03/23/2012 10:50:05 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: ReformationFan

Is it wrong of me to be less offended by polygamy than I am by same-sex marriages? At least polygamists can procreate, oft times prolifically.


15 posted on 03/23/2012 10:50:51 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Londo Molari

Yep. We musn’t leave out those who are “minor-attracted”. That’s the new word for it.


16 posted on 03/23/2012 10:51:31 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: ReformationFan

Polygamy only makes since in the new world order. If gays and lesbians can marry that creates an imbalance in the gender numbers which opens up the possibility of the free floaters to be added on to the family unit. And that ignores the necessity of the gay or lesbian couples needing to add on a breeder to their family unit if they want to have kids without adopting, using sperm donor or surrogate.


17 posted on 03/23/2012 10:52:45 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: camle

18 posted on 03/23/2012 10:54:17 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle
how abotu kumquats?

Sure. I hope I didn't sound like I was discriminating against anything in the fruit family. I am certainly fond of small fruit bearing trees and do consider them worthy of marriage to humans.

19 posted on 03/23/2012 10:57:00 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ReformationFan

Just remember...

BIGAMY: Having one wife too many.
MONOGAMY: Same thing.

;)

Also, multiple wives means multiple mothers-in-law.


20 posted on 03/23/2012 10:57:15 AM PDT by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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To: ReformationFan

The mere thought of a twin dose of mother-in-law like I have now is enough to make sure the marriage would never be consummated, without some duct tape and popsicle sticks that is...


21 posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:23 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Truth is a Weapon
"If gays and lesbians can marry that creates an imbalance in the gender numbers which opens up the possibility of the free floaters to be added on to the family unit. "

Pfft, homo marriage is a tiny drop in a huge bucket called selective abortion being practiced in places around the world now.

When places start getting to 60/40 gender inequality like is happening in India and China the incredible social pressure cooker they have created for themselves is gonna blow, and it isn't going to be pretty when it does.

22 posted on 03/23/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ReformationFan
Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?

That's easy. They are of the opinion that it's no one else's business what consenting adults do with each other.

And, if it wasn't for the fact that governments meddle in everything nowadays, including redistributing wealth based on marriage status, I might be persuaded to agree with that sentiment.

23 posted on 03/23/2012 11:05:24 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Ole Okie
I couldn’t afford another wife so this is moot to me.

I once knew a Pakistani Muslim who explained to me at length that Islam allowed men to have up to four wives, and all of the various historical reasons for that.

Then he rolled his eyes at me and said "Of course, a man would have to be totally insane to actually try it!"

24 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:48 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cowman
Surround Sound Nagging 7.1TM includes your mother, wives, mothers-in-law, aunts, aunts-in-law, sisters, sisters-in-law, grandmothers, grandmothers-in-law, and many, many more!
25 posted on 03/23/2012 11:07:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Ole Okie
I couldn’t afford another wife so this is moot to me.

A very wise man once said, "A man who has not had two wives has never had two wives"!
26 posted on 03/23/2012 11:12:53 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Newt loves mine!)
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To: ReformationFan; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; Godzilla; MHGinTN; narses; ...
Polygamy has had very little support in the U.S. since the Republican Party in 1854 declared it, along with slavery, one of the “twin relics of barbarism,” and Congress banned it in 1862. The Mormon church officially abandoned plural marriage in 1890. ... In fact, a polygamous group in Utah just last month challenged a ban on the practice in court.

POLYGAMY IS A HIDEOUS PRACTICE

Male teens are frequently dumped on the streets of places like Salt Lake City by polygamous Mormon sects because there aren't enough females to go around. Over 400 abandoned young men are kept by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in one school in Salt Lake City alone. When they graduate from high school, they are unceremoniously discarded back onto the streets. You can read more about this HERE.

Perhaps worse is the fate awaiting the girls. They are taken from their homes as teens (some as young as 14 or 15) and given as wives to men in their 50's to essentially serve as breed stock in order to call home spirit babies. You can read more about this HERE and HERE.

Polygamy is an embarrassment to modern Mormonism, in part because of:

  1. The terrible effect polygamy has on people.

  2. The teaching polygamy was essential to progress to the highest levels of godhood and this practice would never end.

    For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory. (D&C 132:4,21)
  3. The obvious contradiction caused by condemnation of polygamy in other Mormon scripture.

    Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. (BoM Jacob 2:24)
  4. The exposition of Mormonism's prophet, Joseph Smith, as a serial statutory rapist (eleven of Smith's wives were between ages 14 and 20), a swinger (11 of Smith's wives were married and cohabiting with their husbands, while married to Smith), and a liar (Smith repeatedly denied he engaged in polygamy).

  5. The exposition of the Mormon Church as liars and vacillators as they denied-affirmed and prohibited-commanded-prohibited polygamy.

  6. The Mormon Church abandoned polygamy only after the U.S. Government disincorporated the Church and ordered its property seized. This raises the troubling trilemma of whether: (a) Mormonism's god was stupid and/or wrong when he proclaimed polygamy was everlasting, or (b) Joseph Smith was a false prophet when he received this revelation, or (c) the Church's current leaders are false prophets by placing material gain and political expediency ahead of divine revelation.

You should note that polygamy was never abandoned by the Utah Mormon Church. They agreed to stop practicing it among the living in 1890; they stopped secretly entering into polygamous marriages in 1923; they stopped prosecuting persons who enter into polygamous marriages in 1952; they openly teach that polygamy will be practiced in the afterlife; dozens of breakaway Mormon sects openly practice polygamy at this very time. You can read more about the history of Mormonism and polygamy HERE.

Finally, it may be interesting to NOTE Bishop Mitt Romney's great-great grandfather, Parley Pratt, was a notorious polygamist with 12 wives. Pratt was eventually gunned down in Arkansas by a man angry at Parley for stealing his wife and trying to abduct his children.

27 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:06 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obozo is to competent as an Etch-A-Sketch is to art)
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To: ReformationFan

I can’t even get one. What the hell would I do with two?


28 posted on 03/23/2012 11:25:06 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: driftdiver

I want to marry my Jackass.

I have a thing for long faces....


29 posted on 03/23/2012 11:39:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Longbow1969
Jack already has someone wanting to marry his bacon
30 posted on 03/23/2012 11:43:57 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: Zakeet

IF a “revelation” had been given to the so-called prophet at the time, then D&C section 132 should have been removed from their canon.

That it hasn’t and is still part of mormon scripture, everything the mormon church claims about “renouncing polygamy” is suspect.


31 posted on 03/23/2012 11:45:21 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ReformationFan
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time...They therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure and which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." -- Charles Carroll, U.S. Senator and signer of the Declaration of Independence

"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." -- John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 1763

“Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.” -- George Washington

"My principle is to do whatever is right and leave the consequences to Him who has the disposal of them." -- Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1813

"Peace, prosperity, liberty and morals have an intimate connection." -- Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1813

“There remains the one standard that has not yet been universally used, namely, the choosing of candidates on moral grounds. A nation always gets the kind of politicians it deserves. When our moral standards are different, our legislation will be different. As long as the decent people refuse to believe that morality must manifest itself in every sphere of human activity, including the political, they will not meet the challenge of Marxism. Contemporary history proves that modern political leaders, devoid of a moral inspiration and relying solely on a mass basis (might makes right), proves ineffectual in time of crisis." -- Fulton Sheen, “COMMUNISM and the CONSCIENCE of the WEST” -1948


32 posted on 03/23/2012 11:54:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Without virtue, happiness cannot be. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: vetvetdoug
"What the hell would I do with two?"

The same as you would do with one ... retire to the nearest public house when they start to talk!

33 posted on 03/23/2012 12:01:40 PM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Vendome
"I want to marry my Jackass."

Sorry, I don't think the First Lady will share.

34 posted on 03/23/2012 12:03:51 PM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I once knew a Pakistani Muslim who explained to me at length that Islam allowed men to have up to four wives, and all of the various historical reasons for that. Then he rolled his eyes at me and said "Of course, a man would have to be totally insane to actually try it!"

I knew only two in Saudi Arabia that had two or more wives. One was Saudi in their Air Force and the other was an American Muslim. The stipulation is that they cannot live in the same house and you have to provide equally for all. No wild orgies I'm afraid.

If you buy one a Mercedes you have to buy one for the other wives too.

You could always tell the men with two wives because they had double houses that were mirror images of each other. You did not see too many of these though.

35 posted on 03/23/2012 12:31:46 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Sybeck1

Pro-Abortion Basturd (sic) Rmoney 2002 YouTube video

Willard McBush WANTS polygamy in the afterlife. It makes him no different from practicing it NOW.

36 posted on 03/23/2012 12:34:30 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: USAF80
The stipulation is that they cannot live in the same house and you have to provide equally for all. No wild orgies I'm afraid.

Didn't OBL have three or four wives living in that house when they shot him?
37 posted on 03/23/2012 1:22:16 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zakeet
Pratt was eventually gunned down in Arkansas by a man angry at Parley for stealing his wife and trying to abduct his children.

Shot in the neck in Arkansas by Hector McLean, after McLean stabbed him with a Bowie knife. That's after Pratt convinced McLean's wife, Elenor, to leave McLean and their three children in San Francisco, and to go with Pratt to Salt Lake City, where she became Pratt's 12th wife.

McLean traced her (and sometimes Pratt) to New Orleans, then Houston, then Fort Gibson, Arkansas, near Van Buren. McLean and two friends (James Cornell and Amasa Howell) caught up with Parley Pratt outside of Van Buren, near Alma, Arkansas, and killed Pratt there.

But I digress. Elenor fled to Salt Lake City to tell of Pratt's murder in Arkansas. I guess it was a murder, technically. Some historians believe vengeance against Arkansas - from whence the Fancher party hailed - was a factor in the Mountain Meadows Massacre a few months later.

38 posted on 03/23/2012 2:22:01 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: kevkrom

Also, multiple wives means multiple mothers-in-law

not if you marry sisters...

ugh...

t


39 posted on 03/23/2012 2:36:35 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Scoutmaster
trying to abduct his children.

Left that out, didn't I? I don't know that Pratt did. Elenor McLean certainly tried to get her children eventually. Elenor McLean left the children in San Francisco when she initially ran off with Pratt (I guess I should say Parley Pratt, given the prominence of both Parley Pratt and Orson Pratt in the early Mormon church). Hector McLean sent the children to relatives in New Orleans. Elenor claimed she had left Parley Pratt and Mormonism and was allowed to visit by the relatives. She took the children and Pratt joined her as they headed to Houston. Without doing some reading, I don't remember if she was still in Houston when Parley Pratt was killed, or was with Pratt in Arkansas. Perhaps the latter, because she returned to Salt Lake City immediately after Parley Pratt's death.

40 posted on 03/23/2012 2:41:26 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: ReformationFan
Cool with it? I'm not just cool with it, I'm cold with it. Ice cold!

What is so hard for people to understand about 1MAN 1WOMAN?!?

41 posted on 03/23/2012 2:41:37 PM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: driftdiver
Why Are So Many Cool With Polygamy?

UHhh...

They're MUSLIM??

42 posted on 03/23/2012 2:50:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ReformationFan
SIN is a reproach to ANY nation.
43 posted on 03/23/2012 2:51:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muir_redwoods
Just an observation but a man who lives with five women or a woman who lives with five men or any combination or permutation one wants to consider is breaking no civil law.

Sorry; but that is INCORRECT.

44 posted on 03/23/2012 2:53:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bruinator

The advertising agency that came up with the jack in Box Marry Bacon campaign are geniuses. Great timing.


45 posted on 03/23/2012 2:55:15 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Vigilanteman
Not according to the Book; Vman... James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
46 posted on 03/23/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
Why so many?

because they KNOW something we don't!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

47 posted on 03/23/2012 2:57:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cowman
How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?

Guns (and the immunity from harm if they use them)

48 posted on 03/23/2012 2:58:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: OrangeHoof
At least polygamists can procreate, oft times prolifically.

Ol' Joe must have been shooting blanks!!!


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

49 posted on 03/23/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SZonian
That it hasn’t and is still part of mormon scripture, everything the mormon church claims about “renouncing polygamy” is suspect.

Ya THINK??


 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


50 posted on 03/23/2012 3:03:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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