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In Arlington, Jeb Bush says ‘stand your ground’ invalid in Trayvon Martin case
dallasnews.com ^ | March 23, 2012 | GROMER JEFFERS Jr.

Posted on 03/23/2012 3:32:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

ARLINGTON -- Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It’s doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

He was referring to reports that the 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin, was pursued by the volunteer and fatally shot in a scuffle.

“Anytime an innocent life is taken it's a tragedy,” Bush said. “You've got to let the process work."

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1 posted on 03/23/2012 3:32:20 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Zombies...

But what’s stupefying is that the GOPE bigwigs are throwing the ‘Hispanic voter’ under the bus as fast and hard as they can.


2 posted on 03/23/2012 3:41:49 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Guilty by all until proven Innocent in this one!
3 posted on 03/23/2012 3:43:01 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, at least wer’re seperating the wimps from the men.


4 posted on 03/23/2012 3:43:34 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Oy, tired eyes....we’re


5 posted on 03/23/2012 3:44:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“You've got to let the process work."

LOL!

All is over but the hanging already and THAT is letting the process work??

6 posted on 03/23/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“Stand your ground means stand your ground. It’s doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Martin while returning to his SUV to wait for the police. How does Jeb know that Zimmerman chased Martin after the phone call? Can he prove that Zimmerman is lying?

7 posted on 03/23/2012 3:46:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It’s doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”
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tsk tsk....


8 posted on 03/23/2012 3:46:44 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Jeb, there are these little things called witnesses and by all accounts there are NO witnesses to Zimmerman chasing Martin down and stopping him by force.

There are witnesses who saw Martin beating Zimmerman.

It’s called Stand Your Ground. Not Lay On The Ground and Take An Ass Whipping.


9 posted on 03/23/2012 3:47:51 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“Anytime an innocent life is taken it's a tragedy,” Bush said. “You've got to let the process work."

Sounds to me, Jeb, like YOU are pre-judging the case. Reports that Mr. Martin jumped on Mr. Zimmerman and was beating the holy hell out of him....what about that, Jeb?

I think Jeb is a good guy, and I think he was an outstanding governor for Florida. But this is a case where he obviously doesn't know all the facts.

Zimmerman might be guilty, but he might also be truly standing his ground.

I know one thing: Al Sharpton and his mobs aren't the ones to decide.

10 posted on 03/23/2012 3:48:49 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: mrsmith

If he had JUST sad, “This whole thing is a tragedy, but let’s not have a trial by media, let the due process of law work’ ‘ ‘ ‘”

We’d be lining up to dump Mittens and install Jeb. . .


11 posted on 03/23/2012 3:49:07 PM PDT by Salgak
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If some black kid started beating the crap out of him, it
would be a different story


12 posted on 03/23/2012 3:49:34 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They seem to have taken down this story.


13 posted on 03/23/2012 3:50:55 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How does Jeb Bush magically know what happened when no one else does? Was he there? Has he witnessed a trial that hasn’t happened yet?


14 posted on 03/23/2012 3:51:41 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Anyone But Romney)
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To: BinaryBoy

I would start off by assuming Bush didn’t even say these things and that might be related to the article being pulled.


15 posted on 03/23/2012 3:55:00 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Apparently Jeb Bush thinks that owning a gun means crawling into the fetal position with it.

This case is being investigated by every law enforcement agency known to man. Let the law work and hopefully justice will prevail.


16 posted on 03/23/2012 3:56:37 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You can ALWAYS count on a Bush to cave to political correctness.

Every
damn
time

They talk like conservatives, but when it comes time to back the talk, they go all RINO and embrace political correctness. I will never vote for another Bush prince or princess in my lifetime. Never. PC INO pukes.


17 posted on 03/23/2012 3:58:26 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Molon Labbie

Really? I haven’t been following this all that close so I have missed a good deal of information on this.

I thought Zimmerman followed and shot the guy.

I hadn’t heard he tried to leave and was assaulted.


18 posted on 03/23/2012 3:58:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Molon Labbie

Really? I haven’t been following this all that close so I have missed a good deal of information on this.

I thought Zimmerman followed and shot the guy.

I hadn’t heard he tried to leave and was assaulted.


19 posted on 03/23/2012 3:59:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
It's back on the site at a different URL: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20120323-jeb-bush-stand-your-ground-law-shouldnt-apply-in-trayvon-martin-case.ece
20 posted on 03/23/2012 4:00:48 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Anyone But Romney)
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To: Reddy

This whole thing is bound to turn into a Rodney King scenario. The mob and the media have already tried and convicted Zimmerman without full knowledge of the police reports, and more importantly, something no one has seen, which is the in station interview.
Mark my words. Should this whole thing turn out to be a horrible situation gone bad, with no charging or conviction of Zimmerman, there will be riots that will make the Rodney King affair look like a Sunday school picnic.


21 posted on 03/23/2012 4:04:04 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Reagan’s biggest mistake


22 posted on 03/23/2012 4:04:37 PM PDT by Post5203 (Newter 0bama...The real Axis of Evil...Washington, New York City and Hollywood.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I understand what the left is trying to do with this case.

However, it’s just my guess that this risks getting seriously out of control. And the more this bizarre little case involving an hispanic and a black spins out of control, the more it is going to terrify whites and very possibly hispanics.

A racial incident is the last thing Obama needed, and his statement that his non existent son would “look like” the black participant is sure to offend one group or another. Americans do not want Obama to be a racial president and they do not want Obama to preside over racial troubles. They thought he was going to prevent all that.


23 posted on 03/23/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We are a nation of laws, not rule by mob!!! Evidently the Sanford police did not feel the arrest and murder charge was not the proper, lawful action to take, and, as such, Mr. Zimmerman was neither charged with murder or arrested at the crime scene. Time and investigation will reveal the facts of this tragic case. The Black racists, including the POTUS Obama should have let the law and process work its willbefore going into ovedrive Black racist rants and spewing hate. that race gig ain’t gonna work no more. Obama was a fool to enter into the fray, and he will come to regret it!!!

In the end, justice will prevail. Either Mr. Zimmerman will be proved guilty of murder, by a jury of his peers, or he will be proven innocent, defending himself from bodily harm and attack!!! For Obama, Sharpton, Farrakhan, etc. to rabble rouse, when hard facts are unknown, serves no useful purpose other then to provoke racial tensions, which America has simply had enough of!!!


24 posted on 03/23/2012 4:09:23 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy POTUS Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: rickomatic

And, you can bet those riots will be in mid-to-late October.

“Never fail to take advantage of a good crisis. . .” Seems we’ve heard that before. . .


25 posted on 03/23/2012 4:09:47 PM PDT by Salgak
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The fix is in... I guess we’ll just drag Zimmerman out and hang him high.


26 posted on 03/23/2012 4:10:13 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You know what I am tired of? People jumping all over Zimmerman because he didn’t obey the police dispatcher when she told him to stay in his vehicle.

The police default to “Let us handle it, you are not qualified nor able to handle this situation.”

That is INFURIATING to me. Calling 911 only expedites the police investigation AFTER the crime has been committed. Zimmer KNEW that the suspect would be long gone before the police showed up.

Thsi case is very murky. It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman got the bloody head wound and he grass on his back.


27 posted on 03/23/2012 4:12:30 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: BinaryBoy
Thanks for that!

I heard the 911 short version on Hannity's radio, then heard later Hugh Hewitt claiming the guy is guilty of stalking and murder.

I'm not sure how you do neighborhood watch without potentially following a suspect, must be Hugh's lawyer speak. Seems to me the fact of who called 911 aligns well with why the police didn't make an arrest.

The reason for my interest is flame fanning 101. Or did all this start because Jeniffer Granholm donned a hoodie in support?

28 posted on 03/23/2012 4:16:13 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“Anytime an innocent life is taken it's a tragedy,” Bush said. “You've got to let the process work."

You mean, like it worked for Terri Schiavo, Jeb?

29 posted on 03/23/2012 4:18:17 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: Salgak
I do think this is a strategy waiting for an event ala Rodney King but they may have picked the wrong event.

This is not urban LA or Detroit.

30 posted on 03/23/2012 4:21:18 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: Bryan24
You know what I am tired of? People jumping all over Zimmerman because he didn’t obey the police dispatcher when she told him to stay in his vehicle.

clearly he should have; and probably was trained to.

I haven't heard a single detail about this story besides this. The kid was carrying a gun? He went after someone? He was told by a police dispatcher to sit tight? That stinks. Really stinks.

31 posted on 03/23/2012 4:21:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What’s the difference between Jeb prejudging this and Obammy prejudging the incident with the professor?

Absolutely nothing.

Equality of Ignorance.


32 posted on 03/23/2012 4:28:59 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Of course we are going to leave out the part that Trayvon was a 6’2” football player who knocked the smaller Zimmerman to the ground, was beating him and had Zimmerman screaming for help. That Zimmerman was bleeding from both his face and the back of his head, and that he had grass stains on the back of his shirt when the police rolled up.


33 posted on 03/23/2012 4:32:06 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Jeb Bush should really not make any comments on this situation. Unbelievable, proves that he, like so many others, are being emotional only. The Governor of Florida has already appointed a task force to be led by his Lt. Governor Carroll to hold hearings about the shooting and to make recommendations for changing state laws and procedures. What the heck are they doing this for-this is giving in to the protesters here in Florida about the shooting. They are suppose to be standing on he side of the rights of a citizen, the current law and for the local law enforcing it’s own jurisdiction.

What does Al Shapron and the others like him, know about Florida laws? People should wait to see all of the facts. Ok, the man may have went over board with his policing of the neighborhood and that needs to be investigated. There are reports of GZ being beat. the are reports that the kid was chased down- Get the facts from he investigation, can we? Jeb Bush is wrong and should stay out of this. GZ has his rights- let the facts come out not the things we are reading in the news. If the man is guilty the investigation will show that.

The White House said days ago it was a local matter-now, look what they are doing-DOJ FBI FDLE-State attorney investigators, A special prosecutor from the governor’s office- IF the Man is Innocent he will be Railroaded, my guess. I have to wait to know more. But these people are going in the wrong direction. GZ is Black/Latino. The media calling this a hate crime. Look at all of the money being spent and they by pass the local authority when Obama said it was a Local law enforcement matter. Proves all liberals Never will understand how the laws in which we have for our protection, works. It is innocent until proven guilty, okay- Not, let’s go with the public convicting a person. If the man is guilty, the facts will come out.

(This is why people like Santorum, Jeb Bush and others alike need not be in charge-the only one who has made sense was Newt saying let the investigation move forward)


34 posted on 03/23/2012 4:32:16 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

See post #33


35 posted on 03/23/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Salgak

Jeb looking to fill VP slot under RINO-Romney?

Just a thought.


36 posted on 03/23/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

“We are a nation of laws, not rule by mob!!! Evidently the Sanford police did not feel the arrest and murder charge was not the proper, lawful action to take, and, as such, Mr. Zimmerman was neither charged with murder or arrested at the crime scene. Time and investigation will reveal the facts of this tragic case. The Black racists, including the POTUS Obama should have let the law and process work its willbefore going into ovedrive Black racist rants and spewing hate. that race gig ain’t gonna work no more. Obama was a fool to enter into the fray, and he will come to regret it!!!”

Good post.


37 posted on 03/23/2012 4:39:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Vendome

According to the news reports, and 911 tapes, Martin wound up beating Zimmerman fairly badly. That injury to the back of the head is going to be golden for Zimmerman.

That can be shown to be serious physical injury or attempt and that may very well justify the deadly force usage all by it’s self, without any of the other factors such as age, size and athletic capability, as well as the readiness and willingness of others to assist Zimmerman as he repeatedly called for assistance.

What we should remember here too is that some of the 911 callers said this happened in their back yard. Backyard, where no one but you is supposed to be. So, in effect, Martin was trespassing on someone’s property and could have been legitimitally challenged by Zimmerman on what he was doing.


38 posted on 03/23/2012 4:39:48 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
-- Zimmerman might be guilty, but he might also be truly standing his ground. --

A third alternative is that he was acting is pure self defense, not having an opportunity to retreat from Martin.

"Stand your ground" applies when you have a choice between retreat and stand your ground, and choose to stand your ground rather than retreat.

39 posted on 03/23/2012 4:44:28 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Vendome
-- I hadn't heard he tried to leave and was assaulted. --

All the evidence [911 calls by him and by others] points to him "losing" Martin in the darkness, then returning to his truck. He was going to wait there until Police arrived.

The media has had this information from the start.

40 posted on 03/23/2012 4:47:34 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Salgak

A responsible, mature statement like that would sure go a long way for the politician that made it.

But I’d like to hear one of these ‘hispanic voters are the key to victory’ GOPE pols turn on the race-pimping drivel FOR Zimmerman LOL!

“We must show the world that an Hispanic man is, at last, treated fairly by our justice system! That they are no longer second class citizens with less rights...”

The media’s heads would explode.


41 posted on 03/23/2012 4:49:01 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: kabar

I saw Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America on Megan Kelly today. They were discussing this case. I think he said that THERE WERE WITNESSES who told police that Martin had initiated the fight, and that is why the police initially handled it the way the did.

Did anyone else see it? I came in on the last part of it, but that is the gist of his comments I think.


42 posted on 03/23/2012 4:51:09 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: rickomatic
-- The mob and the media have already tried and convicted Zimmerman without full knowledge of the police reports ... --

The mob doesn't have full knowledge, because the mob has been informed by the media. But the media had the information from the start.

-- Should this whole thing turn out to be a horrible situation gone bad, with no charging or conviction of Zimmerman, there will be riots that will make the Rodney King affair look like a Sunday school picnic. --

Assuming arguendo that Zimmerman had terminated his foot pursuit, and some moments later (say 30 to 90 seconds) was attacked, and getting a beating. That certainly fits "horrible situation gone bad." Do you think Zimmerman should be charged and convicted if he was the one attacked?

43 posted on 03/23/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TEXOKIE

That didn’t keep Jeb Bush, Santourum and Gingrich from siding with the black kid.


44 posted on 03/23/2012 4:54:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Bryan24
-- You know what I am tired of? People jumping all over Zimmerman because he didn't obey the police dispatcher when she told him to stay in his vehicle. --

My understanding is that he was on foot while on the line with 911, and said he was following a suspicious person. The dispatcher said "you don't have to do that," or something to that effect, and that "the police are on their way." My understanding is that at that moment, Zimmerman turned around and was returning to his truck. He'd given up "the chase."

-- It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman got the bloody head wound and he grass on his back. --

My understanding is that eyewitnesses other than Zimmerman have him taking a beating while he's on his back. Not sure how the back of his head got bloodied.

45 posted on 03/23/2012 4:57:39 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Molon Labbie

Now it makes sense. I had heard a 911 recording where one of them is screaming for help. it sounds terrible and I thought the kid had been shot. Well no. The tape continues and I’m thinking that poor kid is lying on the ground bleeding to death....and then, then I hear a gun shot and I think “Weird. Doesn’t sound right”.

Now it makes sense. Zimmerman was yelling for help, maybe as he was being assaulted and then took his only reasonable choice to end the threat.

We’ll have to see how this unfolds.


46 posted on 03/23/2012 5:03:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Molon Labbie

Of course if this how the police saw it as well then I now understand why he wasn’t charged on the 1st place.


47 posted on 03/23/2012 5:04:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

FWIW, IMHO, I think this is or at least should be, less controversial than when Joe Horn shot those two burglars in Pasadena Texas.

Black Pampers tried a protest in that neighborhood and got run out on a rail.

I am having a hard time visualizing Zimmerman initially assaulting big kid Martin. There is no evidence that he flourished Martin, (I bet G/F would have heard that) and being on your back with two bleeding wounds on your cabeza is a bad spot to be.

I know what I would have done.


48 posted on 03/23/2012 5:19:39 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is there a full account of what happened somewhere?

Thanks.


49 posted on 03/23/2012 5:23:39 PM PDT by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: taxcontrol

So if someone chased you in the middle of the night, what would you assume? That he was going to assault you is the correct answer if you have half a brain. It just so happens the person who was chasing got the shit kicked out of him by someone who did nothing wrong. Then the rent-a-cop decided he will shoot in “self-defence”.
He deserves blame, it can be argued that it was self defence, however he directly created the situation where he required the self defence so some of the blame for the outcome should be placed on him.
Zimmerman is just an idiot.


50 posted on 03/23/2012 5:28:58 PM PDT by hannibaal
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