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Will Roberts be final nail in Bush's coffin?
The Examiner ^ | March 22, 2012 | Conn Carroll

Posted on 03/23/2012 3:51:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke

President Bush's list of domestic accomplishments is already pretty thin. No Child Left Behind is now universally despised among conservative activists. Medicare Part D epitomized Bush's big spending ways and arguably paved the way for Obamacare. And even Bush's tax cuts are looking to be pretty temporary in nature.

The one saving grace Bush still has on the domestic front is the Supreme Court. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Sam Alito have so far proved to be good reliable conservative votes. But all that may change after Obamacare hits the Supreme Court.

Almost everybody assumes that Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and Sam Alito will side with the National Federation of Independent Businesses and find Obamacare's individual mandate unconstitutional. Justice Anthony Kennedy is the consummate swing vote. But what about Roberts?

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Ah Dubya - the big government RINO gift that keeps on giving.
1 posted on 03/23/2012 3:51:15 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

Roberts is guaranteed to find Obamacare UNConstitutional. Guaranteed. This article is just trying to stir the pot. Everything hinges on Kennedy, NOT Roberts. Troll author is trolling.


2 posted on 03/23/2012 3:54:48 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: KantianBurke

0bama put Elena Kagan on the court because she’s really good at using parapsychology to brainwash people. Not joking.


3 posted on 03/23/2012 3:56:17 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: KantianBurke
his is not as crazy as it first sounds. Kennedy has voted to limit Congress' Commerce Clause power twice: once in U.S. v Lopez, and again in U.S. v Morrison. He also wrote a separate concurrence stressing the limited nature of his agreement with the government in U.S. v Comstock. “This is a discrete and narrow exercise of authority over a small class of persons already subject to the federal power,” Kennedy said in defense of Congress’ power to further detain inmates already in federal prisons. Roberts simply signed on to liberal Justice Stephen Breyer's majority opinion.

This is the thinnest of gruel to judge Roberts. He wasn't on the Court for Lopez or Morrison, and the net effect of Kennedy's concurrence in Comstock was to join the majority anyway.

Another low-quality screed typical of Examiner blogs.

4 posted on 03/23/2012 3:57:38 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: KantianBurke
Good grief. When you AGREE with libs on things like No Child Left Behind, or read my lips: "no new taxes", or lowering taxes on ALL people who actually PAY them, you get crucified.

By the liberals who proposed them in the first place.

IMHO, go for the gusto if you propose conservative measures. You'll be hated by all the right people, and still keep your base.

I'm STILL waiting for all of the million member marches against unilateral action in Lybia. And assassinating people we don't "like". And imposing Federal noses in State conflicts.

5 posted on 03/23/2012 3:58:35 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: KantianBurke

This article is very thin legal reasoning, and finding Roberts to be the “most likely” of the conservatives to uphold Obamacare. Not that he will. I believe they reference a prisoners’ rights case?

Each Justice wil do what they do, but criticizing Bush over this article is ridiculous. Roberts has been a solid conservative Justice.


6 posted on 03/23/2012 4:02:35 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Kennedy has our future economy in his hands. I hope this guy understands that. It is also patently UNCONSTITUTIONAL


7 posted on 03/23/2012 4:03:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

You are TOTALLY correct! 99.9% of the time it is about Kennedy. Talk about the most powerful man in the US. It is Justice Kennedy. 4-4 ties and he is the swing vote every time.


8 posted on 03/23/2012 4:04:04 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (God is watching America. He is judging America. He does not like what He is seeing.)
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To: KantianBurke
President Bush's list of domestic accomplishments is already pretty thin.

Thank God we had him as POTUS when we did!

9 posted on 03/23/2012 4:08:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: KantianBurke

I don’t see where the author offered any evidence to say Roberts might be on the wrong side of this (or any other) ruling.

Did you?


10 posted on 03/23/2012 4:11:11 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

Neuro Linguistic Programming or NLP...obama is a master too. There was a white paper written on obamas use of it.


11 posted on 03/23/2012 4:13:57 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: KantianBurke

Sen. Ted Kennedy was the architect behind “No Child Left Behind”, President Bush just signed it.


12 posted on 03/23/2012 4:14:17 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Even if Roberts did not find ObamaCare unconstitutional so what? I do not accept the premise that a single SC case alone decides whether a SC justice is therefore good or bad. One has to look at their body of work.


13 posted on 03/23/2012 4:14:57 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: KantianBurke

George W. Bush hovers just above Jimmy Carter—well, maybe above Bill Clinton—as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history.


14 posted on 03/23/2012 4:18:41 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s the thing, isn’t it? If Kennedy sees this really like a tax, like the Social Security requirement or the Medicare requirement, then we be fooked. If he sees it as the government requiring individuals to buy a consumer service, then he may very well rule that it is unconstitutional.

Nobody knows how he will approach the mandate or how he will rule on this case. I’m terrified.

Either way, this isn’t the solution. The solution is forcing the GOP run Senate and president Romney to do their part helping the House to repeal the entire law completely. Then we can go to work on them on TSA, opening up ANWR to drilling, getting Keystone built and revising the Environmental Protection Act to take away fed EPA’s regulatory power. On and on. Yes, I’m asleep and dreaming.


15 posted on 03/23/2012 4:25:23 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: KantianBurke

Just for fun, let’s assume that the SCOTUS does NOT strike down ObamaCare, then what? WE know that ~2/3rds of Americans oppose it but, what will we do if the Court upholds it?

IMO, we will do nothing. Oh, sure, we will bluster and blather about how wrong it is but, at the end of the day, we’ll bend over and take it.

Because we LACK any REAL passion for freedom; because we LACK any REAL passion for liberty; or justice; or the Constitution.

We won’t march in the streets demanding its repeal. We won’t protest on the Capitol steps. We’ll just take it.

And, somewhere, 6 feet beneath our feet, all the patriots who stood up for freedom and liberty who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will be spinning in their graves. The things they fought and died for will be flushed down the drain without a whimper.

Why?


16 posted on 03/23/2012 4:27:02 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Page 32 of the American Bar Association magazine the article references says their poll of experts said 85% of them believe Obamacare will be upheld in full, individual mandate and everything. The poll says it will be a 6-3 decision. 64% in their poll said the case WON’T have a major impact on the presidential election.

I’m going to assume this is wishful thinking and liberal bias on the part of the “experts.”

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/supreme_court_preview/preview-healthcare.authcheckdam.pdf


17 posted on 03/23/2012 4:37:27 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: KantianBurke

More stupidity from people like you who hate GW Bush....The thing is not even in the courts yet you are blaming Bush for what MIGHT happen

Thin gruel to be sure.


18 posted on 03/23/2012 4:41:06 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Savage Beast

“George W. Bush hovers just above Jimmy Carter—well, maybe above Bill Clinton—as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history.”

Dear Friend, you are smoking crack.

And the rest of you trashing GW, Shut up.

He was better than,

Clinton
Bush 41
Carter
Ford
Nixon
Johnson
Kennedy
Maybe Eisenhower
Truman
FDR
,


19 posted on 03/23/2012 4:47:20 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Traveler59
Dumb ass, compassionate conservative, sellout President Bush just signed it

Which makes him just a complicit as that scumbag Teddy.

20 posted on 03/23/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: BreezyDog
And then there's the more subtle form of programming.. Wearing ONLY RED & BLACK to the 2008 Inaugural ball.. Even the children!:

The red & black flag of the 'Syndicalist' or 'National Socialist' movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

21 posted on 03/23/2012 4:58:35 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: TFMcGuire

yep .....agreed


22 posted on 03/23/2012 4:59:42 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Savage Beast

We know why you have brown eyes ......... full of crap


23 posted on 03/23/2012 4:59:42 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Ted Kennedy don't care, he's just hungry!

And his "legacy" will live on and on...

I wish I were a Kennedy or a Pelosi. Then everything I do would be taken seriously.

24 posted on 03/23/2012 5:01:17 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: Savage Beast
George W. Bush hovers just above Jimmy Carter—well, maybe above Bill Clinton—as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history.

Nah, I'd say he's much better than that. But certainly, the only way I'd rate him as a good President would be by comparing him to the bad ones. Objectively, on his own, he was not a good President. Few of his accomplishments mean much.

25 posted on 03/23/2012 5:10:45 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; KantianBurke

How much are you willing to bet that NONE at SCOTUS are changing anything. Remember they had a secret meeting with the usurper on January 14, 2009 which caused that none of the nine blackest robed on the bench will touch the NBC which Thomas told us clearly and which Sheriff Arpaio is persuing!!!

WHY do you think they dare to touch the obamaScare. He scolded at a SOTUA with loud applause from the chamber, hello???


26 posted on 03/23/2012 5:12:24 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: DustyMoment

I heard Laura Ingraham say she doesn’t think SCOTUS will overturn O-Care.


27 posted on 03/23/2012 5:14:01 PM PDT by surrey
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To: TFMcGuire
But that still makes him the 11th worst President in US history...

And I don't agree.

He was better than:

Clinton
Bush 41
Ford
Nixon
Johnson
Kennedy
Maybe Eisenhower
Truman
Franklin Roosevelt
Harding
Carter
(Not in that order)
28 posted on 03/23/2012 5:26:19 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: TFMcGuire
But that still makes him the 11th worst President in US history...

And I don't agree.

He was better than:

Clinton
Bush 41
Ford
Nixon
Johnson
Kennedy
Maybe Eisenhower
Truman
Franklin Roosevelt
Harding
Carter
(Not in that order)
29 posted on 03/23/2012 5:26:19 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: bert
...but my eyes are blue...

They see very clearly.

30 posted on 03/23/2012 5:27:59 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Be that as it may, there are 300 million odd Chevy Volts to sell ... how else?


31 posted on 03/23/2012 5:35:13 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"Few of his accomplishments mean much"

...and some of them mean a great deal:

REFUSED to enforce the Mexican Border--in DEFIANCE of his oath to uphold US law!

INCREASED illegal immigration!

INCREASED entitlements! ADDING to the financial burdon already staggering the American working man and woman!

INCREASED the size, scope, and appetite of the Frankenstein's Monster known as the Federal Government!

INTENTIONALLY ALIENATED his base support: hard working, law abiding American citizens!

SPENT more of the American Tax Payers' hard earned money than any President since Lyndon Johnson!

SET US UP for what we've got now!


32 posted on 03/23/2012 5:36:28 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: boop
Good grief. When you AGREE with libs on things like No Child Left Behind, or read my lips: "no new taxes", or lowering taxes on ALL people who actually PAY them, you get crucified.

By the liberals who proposed them in the first place.


I'm surprised any libs would be opposed to No Child Left Behind - generally they are in favor of anything that increases government control and/or oversight on what should be local or state matters.
33 posted on 03/23/2012 5:39:52 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Yes. This article and its author are full of crap.


34 posted on 03/23/2012 5:41:38 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: Traveler59
Sen. Ted Kennedy was the architect behind “No Child Left Behind”, President Bush just signed it.

I used to believe like you did, but some FReepers corrected me.

Within a few days of Bush taking office, he sent the NCLB plan off to Congress. It had been a part of his campaign (based loosely on Texas from his time as Governor), and his people had it ready to send off to Congress in search of sponsors within just a few days of taking office.

They quickly found their sponsors - John Boehner, George Miller, Teddy Kennedy, and Judd Gregg.

Another instance where Teddy Kennedy claims credit for something that was basically handed to him, in this case by the Bush campaign.

And you may find this interesting - As of two months ago, Bush is still defending it.
35 posted on 03/23/2012 5:46:34 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Savage Beast
George W. Bush hovers just above Jimmy Carter—well, maybe above Bill Clinton—as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history.

Carter was pretty incompetent. Bush on the other hand, managed to expand the power, size, and cost of the federal government more than any other President.

At least until Obama came along and decided to break some of those records.

And lest we forget, many FReepers were publicly arguing against Bush's efforts to expand the power, size, and cost of the federal government. They rightfully argued that someday a liberal would be in the White House and would use and abuse that power and size, and even expand it. Nobody guessed that liberal would be somebody like Obama or that it would be the very next administration.
36 posted on 03/23/2012 5:52:17 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
You mean like this?:


37 posted on 03/23/2012 6:09:32 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: af_vet_rr
Someone once said: "Would you like it if a POTUS of the OTHER party had such power?"

I'm in favor of "tapping" phone calls from our enemies that are calling people in America. I'm NOT in favor of arresting citizens for no reason, though.

But the libs are apparently OK with that. If Bush were to do that, there'd be hell to pay.

And you'd never hear the end of that on the evening news. With Obama? Way beyond anything any evil republican ever did. MSM: Crickets.

38 posted on 03/23/2012 7:27:58 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: KantianBurke

Can’t wait til the final nails of Obama’s coffin are hammered in.


39 posted on 03/23/2012 7:28:27 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Savage Beast

Uh, maybe I should have been clearer. My meaning was that few of his accomplishments mean much in a positive way.

It is very sad (and very bad for the American people) that Bush squandered the opportunity to be an historic President.

When he was elected I prayed that he was a genuine conservative. He fell pretty short of that.He had the opportunity to push this country in a positive direction to a degree that may have rivaled Reagan. He pissed that away. And demonstrated an astounding lack of leadership for the right side of the political spectrum. The only time I recall he threw his weight round with the Republicans in congress was when he tried to ram through amnesty. Some things are deal breakers for me. That was one of them. Unforgivable.


40 posted on 03/23/2012 7:29:04 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: KantianBurke
“no child left behind” is universally hated by TEACHERS UNIONS... that alone tels me there is something good about it

while I don't like big government ANY-thing, that is not their problem with it - they love big government. The thing they hate is the ACCOUNTABILITY

Teachers are held accountable for failing schools (well, at least more than they were before) and that is the part they hate

41 posted on 03/23/2012 7:32:50 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: KantianBurke

remember - W tried to put Meirs on the SC and his wife called us woman haters for being pissed off!


42 posted on 03/23/2012 7:34:05 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

That is freaking creepy!


43 posted on 03/23/2012 7:50:49 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

0bama put Elena Kagan on the court because she’s really good at using parapsychology to brainwash people. Not joking.

How many judges would allow a person who wrote the briefs for the defense attorney to sit on the jury of that case??
what in the hell is going on!!


44 posted on 03/23/2012 7:59:12 PM PDT by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: PIF

LOL!


45 posted on 03/23/2012 10:20:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: TFMcGuire

Boy what a list! How is this nation still here?


46 posted on 03/23/2012 10:31:20 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: surrey

They don’t have to overturn it, just state that the individual mandates are unconstitutional, and that will kill it.


47 posted on 03/23/2012 10:33:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: JediJones

I pray they are wrong. It is a sad day when the legal community has become so ignorant of the US constitution that they no longer can see the unconstitutional forest for the trees. With the passing of generations and the university brainwashing, I can see where the ABA would think Obamacare is just peachy keenie.

Anyway, the fight is in the Senate and White House. We have to push Majority leader McConnell and president Romney to overturn Obamacare. The fight will be there.

We are going to have to have to literally put the fear of God in them that we will make good our threats if they fail to overturn Obamacare.

I will promise you this. If the GOP has the White House and Senate and House and refuses to repeal Obamacare, then I assure you I will never vote for the GOP ever again. I will quit supporting them. I will only vote 3rd party conservatives or write ins.


48 posted on 03/23/2012 11:58:02 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Sorry to say, but the GOP has forgotten how to act like a winner even when controlling every branch of government. Worse, I don’t think we need worry what they will do this time as they have already squandered any chance we may have had to defeat the international left (Obama) in this election.


49 posted on 03/24/2012 4:53:38 AM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: af_vet_rr; ChildOfThe60s

George W. Bush is the opposite of Harry S. Truman.


50 posted on 03/24/2012 6:21:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you're pretty much done for." ~Mark Steyn)
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