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Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
Fox Miami ^ | Friday, 23 Mar 2012 | Staff

Posted on 03/23/2012 8:56:45 PM PDT by Kazan

Edited on 03/23/2012 8:59:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.


(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxtampabay.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; obama; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trayvonshooting; trayvonwitness; zimmerman
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To: VanDeKoik
You forgot "Palin Breitbart Beck Gingrich" /sarc>

Cheers!

151 posted on 03/23/2012 10:37:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tcrlaf

They are playing safe because the whites are being blamed.


152 posted on 03/23/2012 10:38:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tcrlaf

“WHERE ARE THE HISPANIC DEM RACE PIMPS, and why aren’t they rushing to Zimmerman’s defense during this high-tech lynching by the Democrat/MSNBC KKK??”

####

Sitting back, smirking in satisfaction as the TraitorMedia and their fellow race pimping, “persons of color” fabricate and reframe this as a “WHITE on black” crime.


153 posted on 03/23/2012 10:38:49 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: mnehring
"That seems to be the unknown here. Did Zimmerman first attack Martin, ..."

Zimmerman said he lost sight of Martin, was returning to the truck and was attacked. That would fit this witnesses' account. At first Martins father claimed the voice yelling for help was not his son's. Allegedly he's now changed his mind.

It is clear the police had valid reasons for not arresting Zimmerman on that night. AFAIK they did not even hold him for questioning.

154 posted on 03/23/2012 10:39:50 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: calex59

“Sounds like self defense to me.”

Maybe. Unfortunately, the witness didn’t see who started it. If I punch you for no reason and then you proceed to kick my butt, I’ve sorta given up my right to “self defense.”


155 posted on 03/23/2012 10:40:09 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Malesherbes
Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian. He’s half-Hispanic. If Sharpton, Jackson, and Obama continued to make this racial, it gets complicated.

Yeah that's why even Holder is not doing a thing, they will bury this one and try again, closer to the election.

156 posted on 03/23/2012 10:41:21 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When will Obama call Trayvon's mom? He was quick to call Sandra Fluke.)
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Thank Obama for all this racial unity /s


157 posted on 03/23/2012 10:42:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: moehoward

Doesn’t matter what the father says now. The witness says it was Zimmerman yelling for help.


158 posted on 03/23/2012 10:43:07 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: JoeDetweiler
If I punch you for no reason and then you proceed to kick my butt, I’ve sorta given up my right to “self defense.”

That's a valid legal point. We''l see what the trial brings forth.

All I know is Trayvon is dead and Zimmermans going to jail, and White folks are being blamed for it.

159 posted on 03/23/2012 10:46:13 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: entropy12
"I will tune in to nightly news on ABC/CBS/NBC."

Never mind that, Shep on FOX has been the worst of all of them.

160 posted on 03/23/2012 10:46:13 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: I see my hands

No......facts are not racist. Facts are color blind.
The people who attempt to twist the facts to match
their agenda are the rascists. And for those who pay
attention and listen it’s not hard to figure out who
the racists are.


161 posted on 03/23/2012 10:49:46 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Sarah Barracuda
"Yeah I doubt he got suspended for FIVE days for badmouthing the teacher. "

Word around here was the suspension was for fighting.

162 posted on 03/23/2012 10:50:08 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Malesherbes
If Sharpton, Jackson, and Obama continued to make this racial, it gets complicated.

On the other hand, I kinda wonder if La Raza gives a tinker's damn about Peruvians -- especially if they're legal.

163 posted on 03/23/2012 10:50:17 PM PDT by okie01
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To: nvscanman
facts are not racist. Facts are color blind.

Amen!

and that's the the travesty here. On top of the other travesty's.

164 posted on 03/23/2012 10:51:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kazan
"The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to."

I wish they would stop repeating this falsehood.

165 posted on 03/23/2012 10:52:10 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Zhang Fei
"The reflex assumption is that a Neighborhood Watch guy won't go out of his way to look for trouble"

I'm not a neighborhood watch guy, but I would go out of my way. There comes a certain time when you just refuse to take it anymore. When I moved in to my neighborhood 12 years ago, vandalism was rampant... kids driving through lawns, over shrubbery... destroying anything they could.
After repairing my lawn 1/2 dozen times and replacing broken windows, etc.. I had absorbed all I was going to, the police didn't consider it important enough so...

I went on the offensive. I waited in my car... for hours on end until one of the little bastards would come through tearing up all hell. I chased them down, one by one over a period of months. I had a faster car and conviction, they never got away from me. And like Zimmerman, I always carry. Not for scaring stupid teenagers, but who knows what you will encounter even on a normal day.
After chasing them down one by one... and building more than a few snowmen near the road laced with concrete blocks, they came to the realization that the a-hole on the corner was just a little bit more crazy than they were and the BS stopped.

I guess the point is, I could have easily ended up in the same position as Zimmerman as would just about anyone here... I don't think anyone reading this would consider what I did as outrageous, and would most likely do the same. It's hard to blame Zimmerman for having the stones and the conviction to try to make his neighborhood a better place and that is the very thing the frenzy is trying to use against him. In their opinion, he should have just looked the other way and left the area. By not doing so, they want him hung for doing what he considered right and his duty as a resident in the neighborhood.

166 posted on 03/23/2012 10:53:33 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: AlmaKing

Already answered that. Check posts 94 and 107.


168 posted on 03/23/2012 10:56:51 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: mylife

I just read another article which says there were 3 more witnesses and they spoke with the media today but I read one of the witness remarks and maybe I am reading it wrong
but first she call the victim a little boy and then in the article she says the boy was face down and was shot in the chest. If you are lying face down how would someone know the person is shot in the chest? here is an exerpt from the interview:

“One of the witnesses to the shooting also spoke to the media on Friday. Mary Cutcher says she was there the night of the shooting and does not believe Zimmerman was acting in self-defense.

“We were in the kitchen. I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off the crying stopped therefore it tells me it was not Zimmerman crying,” she said. “Immediately, we went out the sliding glass door and see Zimmerman over the body with his hands on the body.“

Cutcher said she first thought Zimmerman was applying CPR and putting pressure on Martin’s wounds. “Until later, when we realized he came off the body. We realized the boy was face down, his face was in the grass and his body was not in an upright position. He was shot in the chest and he was face down; therefore, he was not helping the kid.”

Here is the link:
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/news/state/031612-witness-in-teen-shooting_18589031


169 posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:31 PM PDT by funfan
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To: mylife

I just read another article which says there were 3 more witnesses and they spoke with the media today but I read one of the witness remarks and maybe I am reading it wrong
but first she call the victim a little boy and then in the article she says the boy was face down and was shot in the chest. If you are lying face down how would someone know the person is shot in the chest? here is an exerpt from the interview:

“One of the witnesses to the shooting also spoke to the media on Friday. Mary Cutcher says she was there the night of the shooting and does not believe Zimmerman was acting in self-defense.

“We were in the kitchen. I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off the crying stopped therefore it tells me it was not Zimmerman crying,” she said. “Immediately, we went out the sliding glass door and see Zimmerman over the body with his hands on the body.“

Cutcher said she first thought Zimmerman was applying CPR and putting pressure on Martin’s wounds. “Until later, when we realized he came off the body. We realized the boy was face down, his face was in the grass and his body was not in an upright position. He was shot in the chest and he was face down; therefore, he was not helping the kid.”

Here is the link:
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/news/state/031612-witness-in-teen-shooting_18589031


170 posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:46 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Kazan

My advice to black parents (not that anyone will hear me) is stop giving your children f###ed up names that make them feel weird or special. Open up your Bible and you’ll find lots of good names for your baby.

#2— Tell your kids not to wear hoodies and down low trousers
#3— tell your children to respect the police and not act like beligerent arseholes


171 posted on 03/23/2012 10:59:36 PM PDT by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: tubebender

Thanks


172 posted on 03/23/2012 11:00:56 PM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Kazan

bttt


173 posted on 03/23/2012 11:03:43 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: TexasSecede79366
Facts have no place in this event. It’s progressed way too far too fast for the truth to matter.

That was my first thought as well.

174 posted on 03/23/2012 11:05:10 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Squantos; dixiechick2000; ntnychik; little jeremiah
I worked in Unity Bank & Trust, 416 Warren Street, Roxbury, Mass, in 1970.

62 employees, sixty treating Joyce on the posting machine and myself with respect though we were the minority.

Every day the toughs, "Hey! Watchoo doon awn mah shtreet! Hey! Come back here! Awm talkin' to you!"

When Nita told Audrey "some crazy (deleted) tried to rob Mr. Sneed's bank" I thought back to the employees' meeting:

Mr. Sneed, six-two, two-and-a-quarter of karate and weight-lifting Shaft-meets-Superfly told us:

"Sneed don't take no (stuff) from nobody, walkin' or ridin' slippin' or slidin'"--

All about respect and backing it up.

I had a reason to be on the street in the daylight walking on the sidewalk dressed for work in the bank.

Yet someone darting through a gated community in a hoody at night has to put the beat down on a challenger--

Gangsterism is promoted by the POTUS and his beard.

Show whitey, be all up in his grille.

Too bad Trayvon didn't have a forty-car convoy and a hundred agents carrying.

The bullhorns of Sharpton and the mobs marching with candles and martyr portraits are of no use for the attitude adjustment Trayvon obviously didn't need in the Bush years.

All hail Obama the demagogue, dancing to power in custom pumps on the corpses of his duped punks.


175 posted on 03/23/2012 11:05:41 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Kazan

This witness will either: 1) disappear, 2) wake up to find he has a much larger bank account, as long as he takes a loooong undisclosed vacation, or 3) have his computer get confiscated by Holder’s FBI who will then discover a cache of child porn. By the time the rats get done with this guy he’ll never know what hit him. He is raining on their parade, big time.


176 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: mylife

A stalking case has to be built over a series multiple incidents. A person following another person does make a stalking case.


177 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:26 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: kanawa

The dispatcher said “that’s not necessary”

The dispatcher has no legal authority.
There’s is lots of culpability or observed culpability to go around.

What bothers me, is that in the end this whole fiasco will not end in more understanding.
It will end in more BS laws to stop this one off scenario from occurring again.

We’ll ignore the real problems and crack down on the populous at large.
Particularly white folks that werent even involved.

Everybody gets sued, only the lawyers get rich and Trayvon is still dead.

Gosh, if the Gov could just wreck everybodys life... Zimmermans.. the dispathers .. the responding officer.. the Sheriff.. the DA....

Why is Holder involved in this?


178 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

if pigs could fly the price of bacon would go up


179 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:37 PM PDT by MrDaddyLongLegs (You dont need any qualifications to be a Politician)
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To: AlmaKing

It ain’t too big but it is not overly skinny either. I boxed at 165 lbs after reacheng 6’3”. Unfortunately I am currently 228 and trying to get down to 212.


180 posted on 03/23/2012 11:07:51 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: chris37

Well, as I have said, this should be filtered through the courts, not political theater.


181 posted on 03/23/2012 11:10:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: NoLibZone
Your photo essay capsulizes the conscious cultural-racial erosion under Obama.
183 posted on 03/23/2012 11:11:22 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Kazan

we are all racists and we need to give money to Jesse Jackson

I read it in the news


184 posted on 03/23/2012 11:13:22 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: going hot

There is a lot to snicker about with that one. Does not and willfully will not understand the distinction between murder and homicide, either.


185 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:13 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Revolting cat!

Yes, semi literates almost always write, “and that as a interested party”

Your credibility just got flushed.


186 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:18 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: faucetman

Bookmarking


187 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:25 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I hope there was a good autopsy done of Trayvon back when.


188 posted on 03/23/2012 11:16:03 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: mylife
Now I found yet another article this was from March 16th and it has the same witness mary Kutcher but her story is a bit different. No mention of CPR or leaning over a body this whole thing just gets more wierd and suspicious and more embellished. here is an excerpt: "“This was not self-defense,” Cutcher says. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.” Cutcher was sitting beside an open window with her friend Selma Mora Lamilla, who says she also heard the cries, and ran outside to see Zimmerman standing over Martin’s body. “I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’ ” she tells the paper. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ” She continues, “I know what I heard. I heard a cry and a shot. If there was a fight, it did not happen here where the boy was shot. I would have heard it, as this all happened right outside my open window.” There is also another witness who gives his or her account http://theflowlive.com/archives/32292
189 posted on 03/23/2012 11:17:01 PM PDT by funfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Kazan

Now this changes the whole scenario, doesn’t it Sharpton/Jesse/Bari???


190 posted on 03/23/2012 11:18:15 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: chris37

I don’t believe that Zimmerman was let go without a grand jury trial.

And apparently that is what we are told is happening.
Whats also happening is Eric Holder has been invited to rule on Fla “stand your ground law”

And thats plain wrong.
The Feds have no place ruling on state law like “stand your ground law”
IMHO Zimmerman may have crossed the line on that law, but all I have is hear say.
I need facts

It’s also wrong that Obama is politicizing this, as well as our candidatesand the MSM

FLA is being usurped for political theater by the Fed Gov.


191 posted on 03/23/2012 11:18:57 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Too late for that.

This gennii is out of the bottle.

There should be no doubt as to what’s going on here.

Our media is sick, all of them.

I wonder if Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity will provide M.r Zimmerman a paid security detail now that they have ran his name through the mud and, called him a racist, and cried about this dead thug all for the benefit of their respective shows.

Nothing is what it seems in this country any longer, and quite frankly, I think I’d feel safer and more free living in Russia.


192 posted on 03/23/2012 11:19:44 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: funfan

Too late. Eyewitness accounts weeks later are worthless. The contemporaneous accounts support self defense.


193 posted on 03/23/2012 11:19:44 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: chris37

Yes, and that needs to be built in court as much as I hate court, it eats a lynch mob.


194 posted on 03/23/2012 11:21:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Here is a direct link to the news report of Feb. 27

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4


195 posted on 03/23/2012 11:23:31 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: chris37

Do we have a source identified for those?

I’d love to rub some people’s noses in those pics, but I need some sort of verification that those are, indeed Trayvon.


196 posted on 03/23/2012 11:27:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: chris37
Sean Hannity

I'm really PO'd at Hannity for his handling of this.

197 posted on 03/23/2012 11:27:59 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Kazan

This is a teachable moment. The media and the President have acted stupidly.


198 posted on 03/23/2012 11:28:44 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: chris37

hannity sucks.

For all his attempts to be fair he is a kiss ass.


199 posted on 03/23/2012 11:28:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

But they add to the dog and pony show that is the media.


200 posted on 03/23/2012 11:30:42 PM PDT by funfan
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