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George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin What We Don't Know
Backwoods Home Magazine ^ | 3/24/12 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 03/24/2012 1:13:22 AM PDT by ebshumidors

The death almost a month ago of 17-year old Trayvon Martin at the hands of appointed neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman has become a cause célèbre that has even drawn the notice of our President, who notes that if he had a son he would probably look like Trayvon. I’m seeing some defending Zimmerman, and most demanding his head on a platter, and a whole lot of people who don’t understand how the justice system is geared to approach these things. As I’ve said earlier in this blog, in answer to reader query, we don’t know enough about what happened to rush to judgment yet, whether that judgment is justified self-defense, murder, or manslaughter. The police have made it clear that there is evidence that has not yet been made public, and may not be put forth until the Grand Jury examines the case next month. Some issues: The autopsy results, including toxicology screen, have not yet been released. If it turns out that the young man who died was fueled by drugs known to cause violent behavior, could that change our perceptions? That knowledge is not yet in our hands. (Reportedly, Zimmerman was not tested, and police indicate that he showed no signs of drug or alcohol impairment.) My advice to YOU if YOU’RE ever involved in a shooting: request to be taken to a hospital to have a blood sample and toxicology screen taken. A “negative for everything” result will prevent false allegations later that you were drunk or drugged-up when you pulled the trigger.

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To: TankerKC

Exactly. That is another Trayvon Martin.

There are some pics floating around purporting to be more contemporaneous ones of the now-deceased Trayvon Martin. I wish I had a validated source for those.


51 posted on 03/24/2012 6:34:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wolficatZ

Facts Facts Facts

All you have are facts.

ZIMMERMAN TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!

I got better.


52 posted on 03/24/2012 6:35:32 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Lancey Howard
What I can’t figure out is why this dude went out in the rain so he could walk to a 7-11 and get a bag of candy

0.03" between 5:30 and 7:30PM. That's not rain.

53 posted on 03/24/2012 6:40:29 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Freddd
Except of course he was on 5 day suspension from school, visiting his father so his father ‘could straighten him out’...

US schools these days, maybe he hugged someone. That's a suspension.

54 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: ebshumidors; spunkets
From the article:

"My advice? Let’s all “stand our ground,” not participate in the rush to judgment, and wait for the facts and the evidence to become available to us 300 million jurors in the Court of Public Opinion."

Way too late for that. All who subscribe and support racial tension, plus those who suffer from "white guilt," have already decided that Zimmerman must pay, and according to some of those I listed, he must pay with his life. Even some Freepers have jumped on that particular bandwagon, one (hello, Spunkets) even invented an entire scenario that was not supported by the witnesses, the tapes, or the police reports.

If spring is this bad, I really dread summer.

55 posted on 03/24/2012 7:12:05 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now that Perry's out, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Generic Republican Candidate")
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To: TigerClaws

No, Zimmerman was not on the phone when “attacked.” He had disconnected with the dispatcher and asked that the responding police officer call him when he arrived. No 911 recording from his phone during the actual fight exists, although you can hear him yelling for help and a shot on other people’s 911 calls.

Martin was on his phone while he was being followed (time confirmed by cell phone records.) According to the Martin family lawyer, (yes, this is hearsay) the girl Martin was talking to says that he said someone was following him, and that he was going to walk fast but not run, and then the phone call ended abruptly.

The question is not whether Zimmerman was losing in a fight with Martin. The question is who started that fight.

Of course the media and the left are milking this for all its worth but that doesn’t change the issues of whether Zimmerman started the fight and is legally culpable for Martin’s death, and whether the Sanford police did a proper, competent investigation into a homicide.


56 posted on 03/24/2012 7:24:14 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: ZULU
STOP DEFENDING ZIMMERMAN!!

Lynch the bastard, eh?

May I say that unless you were there you are as ignorant of the facts as your pal, Al Sharpton.

57 posted on 03/24/2012 7:24:25 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: ZULU
"STOP DEFENDING ZIMMERMAN!!!"

I think most of us are not really "defending" Zimmerman--we're just saying, let's take a realistic look at what evidence we have. So far, the evidence (witnesses, tapes, police reports) does not fully support the media's stories.

At this point, the only things the media has gotten right is that one man is dead. The race of Zimmerman has been falsely reported as white, words on the 911 tapes have been mis-reported to paint Zimmerman as a racist white guy, and the media has carefully obscured many of the facts of the case that would seem to exonerate Zimmerman. This has to be some of the worst reporting I've ever seen.

In the US, it's usually customary to have the trial prior to the execution, not that this will stop the mob mentality we're witnessing. I think we're being set up for a summer of riots, and possibly for martial law so Obama can try out his nifty new EO.

And freepers are HELPING with this agenda? What ever happened to "let's investigate the facts before reaching conclusions?"

58 posted on 03/24/2012 7:46:37 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now that Perry's out, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Generic Republican Candidate")
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To: ZULU
Webster's could do a copy/paste on that post and use it as definitive for the entry 'epic irony'
59 posted on 03/24/2012 7:47:37 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: ZULU
He was not attacking Zimmerman

Is this your sworn eye witness testimony?

You,obviously were there and saw what happened, so why haven't I read your sworn testimony?

Oh , this is just another opinion interspersed within your other ignorant opinions.

You have no real knowledge of the facts and yet feel free to condemn Zimmerman, saying he never should have had a gun, and we shouldn't defend him and he is a threat to the world and on and on and on goes your ignorant opinion spewing.

You are not only ANGRY, YOU ARE STUCK ON STUPID.

60 posted on 03/24/2012 8:13:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: ZULU
Just let it play out in the courts, let justice proceed and STOP DEFENDING THIS GUY

Just let it play out in the courts, let justice proceed and STOP CONVICTING THIS GUY

There, fixed it.......

61 posted on 03/24/2012 8:21:34 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Okay. I’ll defend Zimmerman.

1. He was walking in a public place. Nothing illegal about walking behind someone.

2. He had a legal right to his gun.

3. There were robberies in his neighborhood. Someone who didn’t live there (trespass?) was walking through.

4. He called 911 but without telling the cops where to go when they arrived there’s no suspect if it turns out a robbery took place.

5. He lost sight of TM and headed back to his SUV.

6. TM confronted him and started hitting him.

7. TM broke his nose.

8. Zimmerman asked a witness for help and to call 911.

9. Zimmerman fired his gun in self defense due to threat of immediate bodily harm.

Okay?

What’s your case to prosecute him or even arrest Zimmerman?

Zimmerman can sue you personally for malicious prosecution so your career and wealth are 100% on the line making this decision.


62 posted on 03/24/2012 8:31:45 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
What’s your case to prosecute him or even arrest Zimmerman?

I don't have one, I'm in full support of Zimmerman at this point and always have been. You sure you're directing your comment to the right person?

63 posted on 03/24/2012 8:46:18 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: sthguard

Yes it does.


64 posted on 03/24/2012 8:55:08 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: John Valentine
Why not? It looks exactly like the pictures of Martin widely circulated in the press.

Time for a trip to the eye doctor. Those pics look nothing like Martin.

65 posted on 03/24/2012 8:55:33 AM PDT by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: Hardraade
That was possibly the most insane, racialist load of spew I have seen on FR.

Racist? Race isn't even mentioned in Zulu's post. I'm confused.

66 posted on 03/24/2012 9:01:10 AM PDT by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: rktman

You cant get a CHL with a domestic abuse conviction.


67 posted on 03/24/2012 9:09:26 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MizSterious

I agree.

“The facts, M’am, Nothing but the facts.” Detective Joe Friday.


68 posted on 03/24/2012 9:21:20 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: blam

Alteration of Zimmerman’s photo has already happened. A few media sites have made Zimmerman’s now famous photo black and white...so that he might look most white.

And, we seen the NY Slimes flailing to make up a new moniker: “white Hispanic”. Just image the brainstorming with the editor in greif when they found out “Zimmerman” wasn’t a white jew.

This story isn’t about race baiting, it’s about race chumming.


69 posted on 03/24/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: PowderMonkey

“There’s a reason drug testing isn’t universally conducted or required for law enforcement officers: false positive results”

Maybe you could tell that to the judges who convict people all the time because of drug tests. Or, folks who are convicted for DUI. Or the folks who get probation revoked because of drug tests etc...


70 posted on 03/24/2012 9:35:55 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: John Valentine

Those FB pictures are not the same kid that was shot in FL.

Ayoob updated that web page this morning and removed the pictures.


71 posted on 03/24/2012 9:55:42 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

He apparently did not have a criminal record, but he had been suspended for tardiness. From USAToday:

“However, he had recently been suspended from school for five days for tardiness, his English teacher, Michelle Kypriss, told the Orlando Sentinel.”

As I said, I’m not accusing either, but merely making the point that whatever either did previously, the law says we don’t consider the past when judging a particular case. What’s most important is what happened, or didn’t happen, on the night in question.


72 posted on 03/24/2012 9:56:41 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Thank you.


73 posted on 03/24/2012 10:02:32 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: FreedomPoster

74 posted on 03/24/2012 10:39:18 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Hardraade

“Bangin on your drums, are you?

That was possibly the most insane, racialist load of spew I have seen on FR. Go stand with the rest of the Panthers.”

Go back to Norway Hardade, Harold Godwinsson kicked your butt.

I’m not black, jerk. I’m white. I took that name because I liked the movie ZULU, admired Zulu courage and thought it sounded cool.

But it has been more than effective in smoking out the rare real racists around like you.

Stuff it. My gun rights are more than the rights of an apparent cowboy with no sense who gunned down some unarmed kid. He wasn’t a sheriff and should have been playing one. No retreat doctrine doesn’t make you wild Bill Hickok.


75 posted on 03/24/2012 11:00:35 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I think I said STOP DEFENDING THIS JERK. Let the courts handle it.

Are you blind?

If the facts play out as presented, Zimmerman will go down like a smoked Jap Zero, and I don’t want him taking the Castle Doctrine and Right to carry with him.


76 posted on 03/24/2012 11:02:45 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: chris37

Adding Chris 37 to the list of racist jerks.


77 posted on 03/24/2012 11:03:40 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Uhh, no. I said STOP DEFENDING HIM. If he was justified or guilty, leave it to the courts.

As I see it he gunned down an unarmed guy who was not committing a crime or threatening him. But the facts will out.

MEANWHILE if conservatives support a citizen gunning down an unarmed kid was apparently doing nothing, it makes US look bad, it makes the Castle Doctrine look bad, it makes the right to carry look bad and it threatens the Second Amendment.


78 posted on 03/24/2012 11:07:56 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: TigerClaws

5. He lost sight of TM and headed back to his SUV.

6. TM confronted him and started hitting him.

7. TM broke his nose.

8. Zimmerman asked a witness for help and to call 911.

9. Zimmerman fired his gun in self defense due to threat of immediate bodily harm.

Okay?

Incredible.

And where did you acquire these “facts”?


79 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:02 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: TankerKC

Thanks TakerKC. Race should be irrelevant.

Mr Hardraade (can’t even spell apparently, its Hardrada) is the racist and my nom-de-plume smoked him out.

Every time I kind of regret picking that name, incidents like this let me know it was unintentionally a wise choice.

I don’t want my guns sacrificed on the altar of Zimmerman’s stupidity.


80 posted on 03/24/2012 11:13:33 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: kearnyirish2
The whole trespassing question is being dodged as well; was the kid trespassing?

He was not. It has been clearly established, and is disputed by nobody, that Martin was an invited guest, staying with a resident of the neighborhood (his father's girlfriend.) He died less than 100 feet from that house.

81 posted on 03/24/2012 11:17:13 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: ZULU
Mr Hardraade (can’t even spell apparently, its Hardrada)

Evidently, you're even dumber than you let on.

The correct form is "Hardråde", but english-speakers lack the umlaut. So the workaround in your alphabet is "aa". There is no such thing as "Hardrada". Dumb is as dumb does, evidently.

83 posted on 03/24/2012 11:29:31 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Alice in Wonderland

I still think that one is a few years old. The team for his high school is the Lightning.


84 posted on 03/24/2012 11:43:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ZULU
The kid was unarmed. He was not attacking Zimmerman or threatening his property. Zimmerman was a hot dog cop-wannabe who never should have had a firearm.

You are leaping and bounding to all kinds of conclusions. We have enough facts - not dependent on Zimmerman's word - to have some understanding about his state of mind and his actions.

When the operator suggested that "we don't need you to (follow)" Zimmerman said "okay" and clearly stopped following. He remained on the phone for nearly two more minutes, during which he said he could no longer see Martin and did not know where "this kid" was. He nervously declined to give his own address in case Martin was still nearby and could overhear.

If Zimmerman wanted a confrontation, why wouldn't he just roll down his window and confront Martin when he first spotted him? Why wouldn't he yell, "Get back here, you punk!"? Because he didn't do those things.

You say Martin "was not attacking Zimmerman," but we don't actually know who started the fight. We do know, by the account offered by Martin's girlfriend (who has no motive to make Zimmerman look better,) that Martin started the conversation. And we know from multiple witness accounts that it somehow turned into a fistfight. We also know that Zimmerman asked for help - yelled for it - before firing that shot.

I honestly don't understand why so many seem to buy into the characterization of Zimmerman as some kind of vigilante, when everything we know about that night says that he was not.

I support the Second Amendment and the right to carry and the castle doctrine, but defending Zimmerman is wrong. Just let it play out in the courts, let justice proceed and STOP DEFENDING THIS GUY. He’s a threat to US and the Second Amendment through his apparently irresponsible behavior.

When did being a watchful neighbor become "irresponsible," much less a terrible threat to the nation?

He may have showed poor judgment trying to spot Martin again to report his location to the cops, but I could see myself doing that. And Martin showed poor judgment deciding to confront the guy he thought was following him instead of just going home - but I could see myself doing that, too.

I can put myself in either one of their shoes and see myself doing the exact same things they did - up to a point. It is a terrible human tragedy that they both chose not to simply explain to each other who they were and why they were there.

It is entirely possible to believe Zimmerman is not a criminal, but still believe Martin was an innocent victim. It is also possible to believe that Zimmerman may have committed a crime, but that there is no evidence to prove it. That's not "defending this guy," it's seeking the truth, and hoping for justice - even if justice means no charges are filed.

But I am afraid that too many people, who have neither the facts, nor the inclination to learn the facts, have already politicized and publicized this to the point where there is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is going to end up in jail.

85 posted on 03/24/2012 11:45:21 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: ZULU

It is you who is the racist, sir.


86 posted on 03/24/2012 11:52:36 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ZULU
no. I said STOP DEFENDING HIM

Then you ought to likewise STOP CONDEMNING HIM!

87 posted on 03/24/2012 11:54:22 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: TigerClaws
Okay. I’ll defend Zimmerman.

I agree that there is a rush to judgment against Zimmerman, most of it quite irresponsible, but I still think it is important to correct a few facts:

1. He was walking in a public place. Nothing illegal about walking behind someone.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman was following, and certainly no evidence that he was "pursuing" Martin. I think it is almost certain that after hanging up the phone he walked behind the houses to try to spot him. That's an assumption, but one I make based on the fact that the shooting occurred behind the houses. But your point stands: Zimmerman's actions were legal, and not unreasonable, although one could certainly argue it was poor judgment to go looking for Martin.

2. He had a legal right to his gun.

3. There were robberies in his neighborhood. Someone who didn’t live there (trespass?) was walking through.

There definitely was no trespass. Martin was also well within his rights and acting legally. He was a guest of a resident. He died less than 100 feet from the house where he was staying.

4. He called 911 but without telling the cops where to go when they arrived there’s no suspect if it turns out a robbery took place.

He did not call 911. He called the Sanford Police non-emergency number because there was no crime and no emergency, just a suspicious person.

5. He lost sight of TM and headed back to his SUV.

We don't know for sure that he was headed back to his car. We have one characterization of his statement, not Zimmerman's own words on this. We definitely do know that he lost sight of Martin, though, because he stated this on his recorded call to the police. What people overlook is that after agreeing to stop following Martin, Zimmerman remained on the phone for almost two more minutes, during which he said he no longer could see "this kid" and did not know where he was.

6. TM confronted him and started hitting him.

We do not know who started the hitting. We do, however, have the account of Martin's girlfriend that it was Martin who started the conversation:

TM: Why are you following me?
GZ: What are you doing here?

What happened next, we do not know, but I think we can safely assume that neither one of them went on to explain to the other who he was or what he was doing there. Instead, two young men faced each other, both wondering what that weirdo wanted, each one knowing he was right, and neither one wanting to turn away. And that is a damn shame.

7. TM broke his nose.

This has been confirmed by Zimmerman's attorney, but it is not relevant if Zimmerman started the fistfight, which is something we do not know.

8. Zimmerman asked a witness for help and to call 911.

He called for help. I have heard no account where he specifically asked for somebody to call 911 - until after the shooting. One 911 caller said it was Zimmerman, crouched over Martin's body, who told her to call.

9. Zimmerman fired his gun in self defense due to threat of immediate bodily harm.

Well, that's the question, isn't it? What we know at this point is that the police say this was Zimmerman's claim, and that there is no evidence yet to contradict his story.

What’s your case to prosecute him or even arrest Zimmerman?

And that's what it comes down to. I do not understand why so many are joining the rush to judgment - or even the rush to prosecution when we know an awful lot of facts, none of which add up to a case against Zimmerman. It is perfectly rational to believe that Zimmerman is innocent of a crime. It is also reasonable to think that maybe he isn't, but there is not enough evidence to charge him.

88 posted on 03/24/2012 12:17:19 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I am glad you posted on Zimmerman's record, because I think it is another thing that has been exaggerated in order to portray him as some sort of violent criminal. I hope you don't mind if I flesh these out a little:

2005-CF-009525-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
07/18/2005
Criminal Felony
Closed CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

2005-MM-010436-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
07/18/2005
Orlando
Misdemeanor
Closed CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
These two charges stem from the same incident (obviously.) The 21-year-old Zimmerman mouthed off and had some sort of scuffle with agents of Florida's Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco, who were in a University of Central Florida area bar for some underage drinking enforcement. I'm not saying he should have done it, and I'm not saying those guys do not have police powers. I am saying that a 21-year-old scuffling with alcohol agents in a bar sounds a lot different to me than "assault on a police officer." And I am thinking it sounds different to the State of Florida, too, since they issued him a concealed carry permit, which is something convicted felons can't get.
2005-DR-012980-O ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M 08/09/2005
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

2005-DR-013069-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A 08/10/2005
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS
I'm not sure if you noticed this, but one of these charges is against Zimmerman by Veronica Zuazo. The other is by Zimmerman against her - his ex-girlfriend. Break-ups and arguments going public like this are quite distasteful, but unfortunately not uncommon. I suspect the reason they are sealed is that neither party is all that proud of it.

I think this stuff is about as relevant as Martin's school suspension. In other words, not at all.

He did not stop following Trayvon when requested to do so. Zimmerman was following Trayvon in his truck.

That is not true. When the operator suggested that "we don't need you to (follow)" Zimmerman replied "Okay." He remained on the phone for nearly two more minutes, during which time he said he did not know where "this kid" had gone, and could not see him.

Zimmerman with a gun and a history of an overabundance of 911 calls. Zimmerman seems to have been a train wreck waiting to happen.

I am not sure what you'd consider to be an "over abundance." The Miami Herald reports that Zimmerman called police to the neighborhood 46 times since January 2011. They also report that during the same period, police had been called to the neighborhood a total of 402 times, and investigated eight burglaries, nine thefts and one prior shooting. So what is your complaint? Zimmerman reported more than his fair share of incidents?

A grown man (with a gun) following a 17 year old in a pickup truck. Who would not be spooked?

I'm not sure how you know it was a pick-up truck. I recognize news reports are often inaccurate, but they all seem to refer to his SUV. I suspect you are trying to paint a certain picture, but ultimately, it does not matter what kind of car he drove. Speaking of pictures, here is a more recent one of George Zimmerman:

We just do not know enough to make any judgments about what happened that night Let the facts come out.

On this, we agree. But what bothers me more than the things we don't know is how much of what so many claim to know that just isn't true.

89 posted on 03/24/2012 1:15:20 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: saleman

Apples and oranges. You’re describing very different circumstances, reasons, and outcomes for undergoing those tests. I’ve been there, pal. Never go out of your way to place yourself at the mercy of the lab techs.


90 posted on 03/24/2012 2:19:51 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: PhatHead

“It has been clearly established, and is disputed by nobody, that Martin was an invited guest, staying with a resident of the neighborhood (his father’s girlfriend.)”

That isn’t going to help the shooter; thanks for the info.


91 posted on 03/24/2012 2:40:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
That isn’t going to help the shooter; thanks for the info.

No, and that's not why I posted it. I just think people need to base their opinions, as much as it is possible, on the facts. Although it should be noted that it won't necessarily hurt him, either (in combination with all the facts.)

92 posted on 03/24/2012 3:37:32 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
I hope you don't mind if I flesh these out a little:

Not at all..that's what we are here for. :)

I think this stuff is about as relevant as Martin's school suspension. In other words, not at all.

True.

That is not true. When the operator suggested that "we don't need you to (follow)" Zimmerman replied "Okay." He remained on the phone for nearly two more minutes, during which time he said he did not know where "this kid" had gone, and could not see him.

Thank you for that correction. I used the word truck because that is what was used in an article I had just finished reading. Nothing was meant by that.

So what is your complaint? Zimmerman reported more than his fair share of incidents?

A listing of his 911 calls are here:
911 Calls

Some are justified and some seem appropriate for the non-emergency line. As a parent I would welcome someone telling me my kids were playing in the road, but to call 911 instead? Overkill in my opinion. It may not be fair, but when I read that, I think of someone looking for reasons to call 911.

Best I can do right now..I have been out in the yard all day and my brain is as tired as my body.

93 posted on 03/24/2012 3:38:29 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: PhatHead

I thought you posted it because I didn’t know, and I appreciate it. I’m not here to help the shooter; in fact, I’ve maintained that I don’t know enough to form an opinion on it (and your piece of information helps - I’m less inclined to support the shooter knowing that).

Thanks again.


94 posted on 03/24/2012 3:39:55 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Some are justified and some seem appropriate for the non-emergency line.

Yes, they certainly do - and some are to the non-emergency number. Most of them, in fact. Unfortunately, the police department labeled the document a little carelessly, but you can see each incident labeled under "Call Source" as either "911" or "TEL." For example, his call the night of the shooting was not to 911, either.

As a parent I would welcome someone telling me my kids were playing in the road, but to call 911 instead? Overkill in my opinion. It may not be fair, but when I read that, I think of someone looking for reasons to call 911.

The call about the kids in the street was not to 911, but I don't think I would call the police at all about something like that. However, we are assuming he knew who their parents were. We are also assuming that he didn't talk to their parents. Maybe he did, but the parents didn't do anything about it.

I still don't think I would call the cops about something like that, but I know people who would. I'd welcome anybody who is interested to scroll through his calls and judge for themselves.

And when you do, ask yourself this, also: How do you think a guy who calls the cops instead of confronting those parents (or children) squares with the now popular characterization of Zimmerman as some out of control vigilante who takes the law into his own hands?

Because that sounds to me like two different people.

I have been out in the yard all day and my brain is as tired as my body.

Yeah, I was cleaning out the garage myself. Time for a cold beer...or maybe just a nap.

95 posted on 03/24/2012 4:47:54 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Hardraade

I’ll have to tell that to all the American and English historians who spell it the other way.


96 posted on 03/25/2012 6:24:15 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: Hardraade

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Hardrada

MY language? I guess you aren’t even American.


97 posted on 03/25/2012 6:28:28 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: ebshumidors

We also do not know how many kids Trayvon has. A jock, black youth is likely a father several times over


98 posted on 03/25/2012 6:30:24 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: mylife

So, it would appear that he was never convicted of the DA charge or even went to trial. Dismissed? I also believe that if you have a DA charge you don’t get a permit. Of course nobody NEEDS a permit to carry in any case. But, if you get caught...............bad news for you. Even though you shouldn’t have to have a permit to carry.


99 posted on 03/25/2012 8:10:43 AM PDT by rktman
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To: presently no screen name

http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/white_relief

...in 2005, blacks represented 13% of the U.S. population but accounted for nearly half of its murder victims. Most of the black murder victims — 93% —were killed by other black people.

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If Bush had said the same - that a white victim of a black man looked like his son - the MSM would have called him racists and a divider - and they would have been right. Here’s a link to New York Times ‘journalists’ talking about their support of democrats and their contempt for conservatives. They are unaware a conservative is in the room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


100 posted on 03/25/2012 8:16:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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