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Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman (big OOPS coming?)
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012 ^ | 3/23/12

Posted on 03/24/2012 6:35:24 AM PDT by dewawi

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxtampabay.com ...


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To: dewawi

Seems clear to me that Martin was nothing but a run-of-the-mill gang-banger wannabe street thug who was indeed up to no good when Zimmerman encountered him.


2 posted on 03/24/2012 6:40:01 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: dewawi
Of course the little thug Trayvan attacked the Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer.

Did you think for a second Zimmerman was just going around mowing down anyone black he saw walking through the neighborhood?

3 posted on 03/24/2012 6:40:20 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Why let a few facts get in the way of a spring race riot ?


4 posted on 03/24/2012 6:41:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: dewawi
'Brotha' Jesse Jackson said words to the effect that this shooting was an indictment of White America!

. . . but the shooter was Hispanic!

5 posted on 03/24/2012 6:44:31 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: dewawi
"I am thinking in 24 hours the Trayvan Martin story is going to be a "never mind" story..."

Not likely. More likely: Have the MSM only report the message the regime wants. Use the Sharptons of the world whip up the mob and demand "justice." Define Zimmerman as White. Investigate and discredit the witness. Use the DOJ to investigate and shape the charges and evidence. Convict Zimmerman on civil rights charges if the locals don't tow the line. It no longer matters what the facts turn out to be. This is now about redressing alleged racial wrongs and further dividing Americans.

6 posted on 03/24/2012 6:44:38 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: dewawi

“I am thinking in 24 hours the Trayvan Martin story is going to be a “never mind” story...”

I hope so if it was a justified shooting, though I can’t imagine what all of those demonstrators milling about will do if that turns out to be the case. Oh wait, I know what they’ll do...


7 posted on 03/24/2012 6:45:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: TexasFreeper2009
But But But

Didn't you know, the castle doctrine, stand your ground, and even concealed carry are all “license” to kill “Da good boy just turning his life around”.

8 posted on 03/24/2012 6:45:38 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: dewawi

I sure hope the police took pictures of Zimmerman’s facial injuries. That may be the only firm evidence of the attack by Martin and the only thing that saves him from the mob mentality that is rapidly growing - fueled by the race baiters.


9 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:06 AM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: dewawi

Saint Obama Junior was just a garden variety thug.

The whole thing is a other pre-election Media Fraud, like Fluke the Fake.

It’s all straight out of Alinsky.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: dewawi

Saint Obama Junior was just a garden variety thug.

The whole thing is a other pre-election Media Fraud, like Fluke the Fake.

It’s all straight out of Alinsky.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:43 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: dewawi

Saint Obama Junior was just a garden variety thug.

The whole thing is a other pre-election Media Fraud, like Fluke the Fake.

It’s all straight out of Alinsky.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: TexasFreeper2009

His neighborhood was only 49% white.

As you note - he would have been running into blacks very time he went around checking on his neighborhood.

What was different in the “Why here - why now” question? Since Zimmerman was the same person, and it was the same neighborhood - it must be TM was the difference.


13 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:57 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: dewawi

Already reported days ago. It takes the MSM that long to catch up then they have the nerve to claim they “uncovered” it (In most cases).

Reported March 21:
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next


14 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:58 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (God is dead - William Hamilton....William Hamilton is dead - God (And he means it))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
This is why I have not given credit to the media/mob lynching currently going on. Wait for some facts. The truth will come out. Shameful that race thugs like obama, and the media whores on every network will luxuriate in this, while Zimmerman and "John" hide for their lives.
15 posted on 03/24/2012 6:47:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: dewawi

So, Obama interjects presidental interest on a local incident and pipes up with some inane comment about the boy’s looks.

Once again, Obama has acted stupidly.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 6:47:48 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: dewawi

Saint Obama Junior was just a garden variety thug.

The whole thing is a other pre-election Media Fraud, like Fluke the Fake.

It’s all straight out of Alinsky.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 6:48:58 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: dewawi

Hey, Hussein! How’s your putative “son” lookin’ now?


18 posted on 03/24/2012 6:49:43 AM PDT by stboz
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To: dewawi
The press is lying. It had this evidence all along, just not received directly ("witness to press") from this witness.

The press suppressed the fact that Zimmerman isn't racially white, and it suppressed the evidence that Zimmerman was in retreat when Trayvon started a physically violent confrontation.

19 posted on 03/24/2012 6:50:10 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: dewawi
Does the witness say that he saw Martin attack Zimmerman?

or

Does the witness say that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman?

If it is the first then case closed.

If it is the second then we still don't know how the fight started.

I've seen plenty of fights go badly for the guy who started it. I'm sure most freepers have also seen some guy start a fight then get his ass kicked.

20 posted on 03/24/2012 6:50:19 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

0bummer is a creep! I am glad he doe not have a son to pass his creepiness on to!


21 posted on 03/24/2012 6:51:01 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And that, my friend, is what this thing is ALL about.

Just like the Duke “rape” case and Tawana Baloney stories, this just comes close enough to the template that they can’t ignore it.

After all, its a “twofer”, hammer whitey for bigotry (well, half white is better than no white), and beat the bejeezus out of those damn castle doctrine and concealed weapons laws.

Facts? Hell, let the lamestream handle those pesky things.

This promises to get a whole lot uglier.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 6:51:15 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope you don't like it.)
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To: Truth29

100 percent orchestrated media fraud.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 6:51:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: dewawi

Obama: “We must have all the facts.”

But we understand his code, don’t we.


24 posted on 03/24/2012 6:51:27 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: dewawi

Just wonder when the African -American community will wise up and go after the real criminals that are destroying their community.Very understandable that a community would be outraged by a death like this, but it is obvious that Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson are using it as a time tested surefire way to rally the base. Someday the minority communities will call for justice against the liberal hypocrites who are crippling their populations.The liberal hypocrites force minority populations into failing urban school systems. This keeps them uneducated and easy to manipulate. Meanwhile the liberals themselves never use those schools and “choose” private schools. They promote abortion especially in minority communities. Jackson once complained but was bought off and now serves as adocile frontman for the liberals. Someday these monumental crimes against the people will have their reckoning. The liberal hypocrites are the enemies of the people and will be held accountable.


25 posted on 03/24/2012 6:52:10 AM PDT by allendale
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To: dewawi

This witness still doesn’t say who attacked whom. Trayvon was being stalked by a guy with a gun. There is a scuffle, and Trayvon is killed. What did Trayvon do wrong?


26 posted on 03/24/2012 6:52:29 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: dewawi

Now the usual race pimp suspects have weighed in and created a national uproar. Who are the usual race pimp suspects? Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Barak Obama. Obama is inserting himself into this because he needs to wrap up the 95% of blacks who vote because od skin color.


27 posted on 03/24/2012 6:55:15 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: PeteB570

What is overlooked in this incident is the kid’s mindset at the time of the incident. It’s entirely possible he believed he was being attacked, and defended himself. The bottom line is if Zimmerman had backed off when the dispatcher told him to we wouldn’t be getting treated to a whole new round of Sharpton type nonsense. No matter how I look at this I can only blame Zimmerman for his poor judgement, in the end. And we’re all going to pay the price for that.


28 posted on 03/24/2012 6:55:39 AM PDT by cbvanb
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To: dewawi
So, after we've been discussing that witness for a full week you come up with this like it's some kind of secret?

WHERE YOU been?

29 posted on 03/24/2012 6:56:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If this is true, and Zimmerman was attacked, the left and the democrat race baiters must be held publicly accountable for their rapid jump to judgment and labeled as the racists they truly are. Just like the ‘teachable moment’ with the Cambridge police, the Duke Lacrosse team, the Tawana Brawley case, and others, the left is always willing to jump to anti-white conclusions and call for someones head, even when the person they are attacking - Zimmerman - isn't any more ‘white’ than the President. If this turns out to be another jump to erroneous judgment they can't be allowed to skate this time.
30 posted on 03/24/2012 6:57:26 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Truth29

You’re right, they have their story and the’re sticking to it. For them It’s an opportunity, as the story unfolds the sharptons and jacksons and the “other” opportunist will scream, it’s lies and conspiracy, and racism. All the while ignoring other horrendous events that necessitate the need for neighborhood watches.


31 posted on 03/24/2012 6:58:00 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: eccentric

Pretty sure you can conclude that 1) Zimmerman was approached by the black youth who then backed up. 2) Zimmerman then approached the black youth in a reaction of “don’t try to intimidate me” 3) Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle. 4) Trayvan, thinking he was in control of events, then attacked Zimmerman.

I don’t know how you can come to any other conclusion unless your mind is refusing to believe Zimmerman just possibly COULD be the victim here.

Following your thought process, we better take down EVERY “NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH” warning sign in America because it would be obvious anyone doing that watch service for their community would be “invading the ground” of someone out to burglarize or worse the community.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 6:59:18 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: dewawi

Too much vested in it from the left. It may turn out to be a non story but the media and the race baiters will go to any length to keep it alive. This includes obumbler.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 6:59:44 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wtc911
-- Does the witness say that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman? --

That's what the witness describes. He didn't see the fight start.

-- If it is the second then we still don't know how the fight started. --

But there is other evidence that Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon, and was returning to his truck. Given that evidence, it seems unlikely that Zimmerman is the one that chose to close distance between himself and Trayvon, just before the fight started.

34 posted on 03/24/2012 6:59:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cbvanb

“............The bottom line is if Zimmerman had backed off when the dispatcher told him to we wouldn’t be getting treated to a whole new round of Sharpton type nonsense........”

And you know he didn’t back off because..............?


35 posted on 03/24/2012 7:00:52 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: muawiyah

A full week of one or two news outlets hinting that they had been hearing about a witness. Now we have something substantial to post here and your reaction is to criticize me?


36 posted on 03/24/2012 7:01:19 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: dewawi
Looking at the chain of events step by step, I don't see where anyone broke any law until the assault on Zimmerman by Trayvon Martin.

That said, I can easily put myself into the shoes of either man and see myself doing the same things and reacting the same way as both men did...up to a point.

The fatal mistake was Trayvon continuing to beat on Zimmerman when he had him on the ground. Listen to the 911 call and how long you can hear Zimmerman screaming for help.

Had Trayvon stopped beating on him, he was on top and seemed to be in control, and asked him something like "WTF are you following me for?!?" and listened to the explanation, things might have ended right there. Especially since the cops were on the way.

Unfortunately, Trayvon doesn't stop. My guess is Zimmerman was scared to begin with and now all his worst fears have come true about the stranger in his neighborhood who is now beating the crap out of him and George Zimmerman believes he is about to die.

At that point, do you let yourself be beaten to death or do you use your conceal carry permit?

No one is letting this opportunity to stir up race tension go to waste. The normally decent local radio host got in on it and decided to share that he had a cop call him and say they should have arrested Zimmerman for First Degree Murder. First degree??? A cop said that??

37 posted on 03/24/2012 7:01:37 AM PDT by GBA (America has been infected. Be the cure!)
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To: wtc911
This piece, in all its many manifestations (at least a dozen threads on FR have already discussed it to death) is about this guy SEEING a fight already in progress with the guy in Red on the bottom.

Most of the folks who get the most exercised about it usually reveal they didn't know that Zimmerman had started pursuing/following Martin some time before that ~ driving his pickup truck behind him!

Legally the "contact" began long before the fight scene, and that is arguably a logical outcome in a long chain of events.

38 posted on 03/24/2012 7:01:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dewawi
Mob-rule is a powerful thing and not so easily calmed. The Grand Jury could look at the case tomorrow and find the self defense claim completely valid and it I think will only add more fuel to their fire.

Between Occupy’s talk of violent revolution, and media fueled race tensions, its going to be a troublesome time in America.

39 posted on 03/24/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: eccentric
-- Trayvon was being stalked by a guy with a gun. There is a scuffle, and Trayvon is killed. What did Trayvon do wrong? --

If he started the scuffle, then what he did wrong was start the scuffle. He started a scuffle with a person who he knew had a gun, he's nuts. The evidence points, to me, to Trayvon assuming Zimmerman was unarmed.

40 posted on 03/24/2012 7:02:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: allendale

“uneducated and easy to manipulate”
Precisely why they won’t wise up. They are maintained as a political tool; if they no longer function as such, they’ll lose relevance.


41 posted on 03/24/2012 7:02:21 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Will he invite Zimmerman over for a beer?


42 posted on 03/24/2012 7:04:41 AM PDT by altura
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To: cbvanb
-- The bottom line is if Zimmerman had backed off when the dispatcher told him to we wouldn't be getting treated to a whole new round of Sharpton type nonsense. --

The bottom line is if Zimmerman had backed off, we'd still be getting the narrative. The facts are secondary to the narrative.

The evidence is that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, and Zimmerman was effectively "giving up the chase" and in retreat.

-- No matter how I look at this I can only blame Zimmerman for his poor judgement, in the end. --

Okay. Sorry for disturbing your view.

43 posted on 03/24/2012 7:04:41 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: dewawi
Our neighborhood watch folks wear a "Neighborhood Watch" armband. If you listen to the Zimmerman recordings you find he did not tell Martin that he was just Neighborhood Watch.

You are aware of the 911 calls, right?

It's not like Martin was hunting Zimmerman. It was like Zimmerman was hunting Martin.

44 posted on 03/24/2012 7:05:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Why are you always so hostile?

I had not read this before and appreciate the post.


45 posted on 03/24/2012 7:06:33 AM PDT by altura
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To: stboz
Hey, Hussein! How’s your putative “son” lookin’ now?

Chip off the old block?

46 posted on 03/24/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: dewawi
Yeah. That story has been out there a long time (as these things go.) If you'd checked the earlier threads you'd found substantial discussions regarding what that witness saw.

There are even OTHER witnesses who saw part of the events. Remember, it was dark and rainy, so folks weren't sitting out there on their porch.

47 posted on 03/24/2012 7:08:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dewawi

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and now Obama have Zimmerman convicted without a trial just because of his race. How different is this than in the Jim Crow days where just because of race and suspicion of a crime Blacks were lynched?


48 posted on 03/24/2012 7:08:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: dewawi

I’m just wondering if Obama has called the 90 year old man who had his 85 year old wife beaten to death by the 21 year old black thug which was posted here yesterday? Did he want his daughter to look like that woman did, bloody, beaten, dead!!! Did you Obama? You slime ball thug liar pig faced AH.


49 posted on 03/24/2012 7:12:27 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (God is watching America. He is judging America. He does not like what He is seeing.)
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To: altura

Read the earlier posts ~ i know there are folks who visit FR only on the weekends. THEy miss stuff. It’s still there. One way is simply look up the threads I’ve been on ~ I think I posted at least one thing, if only a “HI THere, my name is Muawiyah” ~ this was a big case all week and so far there are NO Magic Bullets ~ I’m not being hostile ~ we are getting ready to go see the new baby. Won’t be here most of the day!


50 posted on 03/24/2012 7:13:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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