Zimmerman Attorney To Anderson Cooper: Trayvon Martin Broke My Client’s Nose

mediaite ^ | 3/24/2012 | by Frances Martel

[wtc911]

We need more evidence.

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We will never see any, which is why he should skate.

[vette6387]

No. just wanted to try and understand why, in the absence of a final investigative report, that you seem all too willing to discount the facts in this case as they have emerged thus far. I am sorry that anyone died. That said, if it turns out to be true, as an eye witness has testified, that Martin was physically assaulting Zimmerman; Zimmerman had every right to defend himself by whatever means he had at his disposal. Cops don’t routinely let someone skate on a killing, so my bet is that they cannot make a case that Zimmerman broke the law. The other thing that’s a disgrace is the “Black Racists” chorus that they need to arrest and punish Zimmerman because the guy who died was Black. So just how does asking a question make me a bigot? Inquiring minds want to know.

[truth_seeker]

“Is it a coincidence that someone by the same name has been stirring it up on another board, or are you one and the same? Some of us spend a long time in the kitchen seeing who and what are being stirred;”

Best for you to attend to your kitchen, and I will attend to mine.

Some of us know how to mind our own business.

[caww]

If, as you say is true, Martin attacked Zimmerman when Zimmerman was getting into his SUV, why did the struggle and shooting happen behind the buildings?

I suggest you get a layout of the area, front and back and have a detailed print of the steps Zimmerman took as well as Martin. Then you'll have some idea of what might have happened. Until we have that and other evidence it's still all speculation and assumptions....opinions and stories of what ifs, and questions unanswered.

What we do know is Martins father stated it was NOT his son crying out......we know he is dead and shot by a bullit. We know Zimmerman spoke to the police. We know it's being investigated........and almost worse is the media and public have already tried and convicted Zimmerman without the evidence.

Further ....in some of my posts I said.."It's been said"...and it has been....you want proof or evidence or an article....then find one. Everyone here is giving assumptions based on articles, based on others opinions of who said what, and the whole thing continues to be fluid to say the least..... For every story that it is one way you find another that's the opposite....

You also have previous so called 'witnesses retracting' their statements and now , in writing, stating they agree with Zimmermans story and support it. ...so nothing is what it appears to be from one minute to the next.

This is a discussion thread as are others....I will not be always posting an article just as others don't when they are giving information they've either heard or been said in other threads or along the way as things get posted.

It was posted that 6 witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman as he was getting out of his truck ..and that story was changed to say 6 witnesses who saw Martin beating on top of Zimmerman....then it was 5 and the whole thing slips and slides.

I am for Zimmermans side of the story until the evidence shows otherwise, if indeed there is any. I say he is innocent until proven guilty...and indeed protected himself.

For crying out loud some are saying this was an assassination of all things! It's just way out there out of perportion....

[MtBaldy]

“Martin: “Why are you following me?”
Zimmerman: “What are you doing here?”
*disconnected* “

She’s changing her story which probably means she’s lying. Originally she said Martin told her he was going to run and then the line went dead. No contact between them at all while she was on the phone. I’m sure she’s being coached by the POS lawyer they’ve hired.

[PhatHead]

She’s changing her story which probably means she’s lying. Originally she said Martin told her he was going to run and then the line went dead. No contact between them at all while she was on the phone. I’m sure she’s being coached by the POS lawyer they’ve hired.

Well...if she is changing her story, then she is changing it to one that tends to corroborate Zimmerman's claims, and I'm not sure why she would want to do that. In any case, I don't think we have heard anything at all directly from the girl. The above is from the only account I've seen, and I lend it some credibility only because it tends to benefit Zimmerman despite coming from a source you would expect to have a bias against him.

[MtBaldy]

No, originally she reported hearing no contact between them at all. Just a scared Martin which supported Zimmerman’s version that he did not confront Martin and Martin attacked him from behind as he walked back to his vehicle. She’s changed it now to Zimmerman confronted Martin which will make self defense harder to prove. The more I learn about Zimmerman the more I’m inclined to believe he’s telling the truth.

[PhatHead]

Well, her account has Martin initiating the conversation/confrontation. I don’t see how this contradicts what we know of Zimmerman’s account (which we have not actually heard or seen.)

I’d be interested in a link to that other account you mentioned.

[wtc911]

You posted plain statements of what you said were witnesses saying that martin attacking zimmerman. It is noted that you can’t post any links to support your statements.

[MikeGranby]

Self serving OUT OF COURT statements i.e. hearsay! Nothing stops a defendant making self serving statements under oath in court. And Z will be able to make that defense should he be charged and choose to testify.

[caww]

Clearly you are not interested in reading what I already posted so here it is again...and the last time I’ will be posting the same issues because it’s been stated in more than just one article...look it up...btw....THE MOTHER CLAIMED MARTIN WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH....so you see the facts just keep changing. See below....and this was BEFORE the media hype.

Now it’s been established and recorded the white t-shirt guy was Martin by the 911 callers...the red shirt guy was Zimmerman....

Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 10:02 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 27 Feb 2012, 4:55 PM EST

SANFORD, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Investigators with the Sanford Police Department are still trying to figure out exactly what happened during an altercation which resulted in a fatal shooting in the Twin Lakes area. The shooting happened just after 7 p.m. Sunday evening on Twin Trees Lane. A man who witnessed part of the altercation contacted authorities.

“The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help! Help!’ and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911,” said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

“And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, THE GUY ON THE TOP WAS BEATING UP THE OTHER GUY WHO was the one laying in the grass, and I believe HE WAS DEAD at that point.”

On Monday afternoon, a FOX 35 News crew met with Tracy Martin who said the victim in the shooting is her 17-year-old son, Trayvon, who was visiting from Miami.

“He walked out of the house to go to the store. He was going to the store,” she said. “He doesn’t know anybody here. He just came down here, so he was bored, so he walked down to the store. He was on his way back home. I’m living down here. He was sitting on the porch and this man killed him.”

The objective of a neighborhood watch is to identify threats and a young man who is respectful and forthright is not a threat. However, that does not seem to be the case.

Clearly if Martin felt threatened, he too, I’m sure, knew how to dial 911,.... but he didn’t.

Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1qAXJAAik

[caww]

....then she is changing it to one that tends to corroborate Zimmerman's claims.

No tending about it...the police have a signed document that her story supports Zimmermans account of what happened.

Also...How did Zimmerman then get his injuries in that period of time....how about this lol:

To hide his murder of Trayvon, Mr. Zimmerman, pistol whipped himself,... giving himself a broken nose and bleeding wound on the back of his head.... Then, he rolled around on the wet ground, to get a wet back and grass stains all over him. Where did he have time to do that? The ear witnesses, ran outside, with flashlights to the confrontation between Zimmerman and Trayvon. ...Coming upon the scene, immediately after the gunshot... and the screams ended, the ear witnesses,.... saw Zimmerman walking around dazed and confused..... Zimmerman had absolutely no time whatsoever to wound himself.

Further more his mothers statement Martin was on the porch adds a twist....

On March 16th, the Sanford police department released new details to the Orlando Sentinel. Once again, these details have been ignored or changed by the media.

- The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.

- The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.

- Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back.

All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.

- Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is NOT the voice of his son.

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next#ixzz1pqgKZ9Xc

[caww]

Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 10:02 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 27 Feb 2012, 4:55 PM EST

A man who witnessed part of the altercation contacted authorities.

“The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, (zimmerman) was yelling to me, ‘Help! Help!’ and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911,” said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

“And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, (Martin) was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”

On Monday afternoon, a FOX 35 News crew met with Tracy Martin (His mother) who said the victim in the shooting is her 17-year-old son, Trayvon, who was visiting from Miami.

(Do note she said -Martin was “sitting on the porch”-)

“He walked out of the house to go to the store. He was going to the store,” she said. “He doesn’t know anybody here. He just came down here, so he was bored, so he walked down to the store. He was on his way back home. I’m living down here. ......He was sitting on the porch and this man killed him.”

Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1qAXJAAik

[Alice in Wonderland]

The only FACTS known so far are:

Zimmerman profiled Martin

Zimmerman called police to report suspicious person

Zimmerman followed Martin

Zimmerman ignored dispatcher's suggestion to stop following Martin

Zimmerman and Martin got into a physical altercation.

Zimmerman shot and killed Martin

Sanford police recommended that the state attorney review a possible manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. He did not and has been replaced.

What is not known is who began the physical altercation. Zimmerman has a history of 'pushing' people, including an LEO. He might have pushed first and got pushed back, landing on the ground. That would explain the cut on the back of his head. Eyewitness John arrived AFTER the altercation began.

It is a shame that the Rev. Al and his ilk got involved in this. He and his bussed-in protesters invaded my community once and he is a disgusting race-baiter.

It is also a shame that a kid is dead and is being branded as a thug on this site. There is no proof that he attacked Zimmerman. Rather, his prior known action was the get away from him. Isn't that what we teach our children: avoid the weird creepy guy who is following you?

I have been insulted and called every name in the book by my fellow FReepers in the past couple of days merely because I questioned the story and actions of a loose-cannon wannabe cop who now has to cover his a$$.

Hopefully, on April 10th the grand jury will sort this all out.

[Waywardson]

What I find most interesting is that looking back on the last year’s worth of your posts that they are all chit chat banter. Nothing of any serious note.

Then BAM! This topic comes up and suddenly you are making 100 word posts right out of the NY Times talking points.

Obviously there is something very serious and personal in this topic that has you so motivated to attack Mr Zimmerman when literally the Jury is still out.

For the record, the more facts I see, the more debate I read, the more convinced I am that he is NOT IN THE WRONG. Stupid? Maybe. Guilty of a criminal act? Don’t see it.

And you making up what if’s and postulating “maybe this or that” is as far from truthful as night is from day.

[Waywardson]

Technically OJ was “not guilty”. He was NOT “found” to be innocent. And of course the civil trial DID find him guilty.

There is a difference.

[Lex Gabba]

If it were MY son, he’d have broken his knee-cap, then his wrist, then kicked him in the back of the skull because that’s how I’ve trained him (6’2 250 starting nose tackle on varsity) to handle an armed attacker who accosts him without a badge or other show of authority

(kick to the knee put him on the ground quickly, joint lock to the wrist as he goes down, head-kick to make sure he doesn’t get back up)

Zimmerman started it, Martin had a right to fight back

[SarahPalinForPresident2012]

Has Gov Palin commented on this yet? She has an uncanny instinct for the truth of things. Part of her Sun Tzu approach, I guess.

[MtBaldy]

Okay, against my better judgment, I'm going to get into this. I have not read all the posts before this so some of this might be repetitive. Here is what happened according to Zimmerman's initial testimony to the police, the recording of the call to police (not 911), the girlfriend's testimony of her call with Martin, on scene witnesses and evidence:

George Zimmerman put on his CCW and left his apartment on an errand outside the complex.

While driving out of the complex he saw what he considered a suspicious person walking and called police non-emergency number. He followed in his vehicle.

When he lost sight of the person he left his vehicle and followed the person on foot. The police operator on hearing Zimmerman leave the vehicle asked Zimmerman if he was following the subject. When told he was the operator said, “We don't need you to do that”. Zimmerman answers, “Ok”, stops following the subject (Trayvon Martin) and begins returning to his truck.

Before he can get back to his truck he is confronted by Martin who asks, “Why are you following me?”. Zimmerman responds with, “What are you doing here?”. Martin then asks,”Do you have a problem?”. When Zimmerman says, “No” Martin responds with, “You do now.” and punches Zimmerman in the face knocking him to the ground.

Martin then mounts Zimmerman and begins beating him around the face and head. During the struggle Zimmerman's licensed CCW weapon is exposed and Martin tries to seize it. Zimmerman, rightfully fearing for his life, pulls his weapon and fires one fatal shot into Martin at point blank range.

Now I believe the above account to be over 95% accurate. Small details may change over time but I don't expect anything significant to change. Now to address some of the left wing talking points:

The continual portrayal of Martin as an angelic 12-13 year old when they know he was not is shameful.

George Zimmerman was an ELECTED, not self appointed, Neighborhood Watch captain.

Following someone in public IS NOT stalking. Stalking is a specific crime with a much higher standard of behavior to meet.

Martin WAS suspicious. At 6'2” tall and walking off the sidewalk and looking into apartments he passed he was definitely acting suspicious. Zimmerman had every right to be concerned about him. Martin did have a right and a reason to be there but Zimmerman could not know it. It was a gated private apartment complex and Zimmerman lived there. He knew he had not seen Martin there before. He was rightfully suspicious and rightfully called police.

Much has been made of Zimmerman saying, “he's a black guy”. This too is shameful on the part of the media. I haven't seen any news point out Zimmerman said that in response to a DIRECT question on the appearance of the suspect. It's also not reported that Zimmerman's first response was, “I don't know. I can't tell, he's got his hoodie up”. Zimmerman didn't say, “he's a black guy” until he got closer. The media is not reporting this of course because it entirely destroys their “Zimmerman attacked the innocent black child Trayvon Martin because he was racially profiling him” meme.

Zimmerman is also reported as, sometimes qualified as “possibly”, using a racial slur when talking to the operator. The tape is unclear. Zimmerman has black relatives and is generally well regarded by black residents of the community. It's unlikely Zimmerman used any racial slur and best guess is what he said is, “these punks always get away”.

Zimmerman's biggest mistake was getting out of his vehicle with the gun. It also appears if he had not had the gun he might be dead or in the hospital now.

Much is being made of Zimmerman supposedly “continuing to pursue after being ordered to stop by police”. This too is shameful misrepresentation of fact by the media. Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Martin not “pursuing” him. There is a difference, look it up. Zimmerman had called the non-emergency number, not 911. The police operator never “ordered” Zimmerman to do anything and that order would have had no official weight anyway. In Sanford police telephone call takers are not sworn officers. What the operator said on learning Zimmerman was following Martin was, “We don't need you to do that”. Certainly not an order and only by a stretch of the imagination advice.

All evidence suggests Martin confronted Zimmerman as he was trying to retreat. It sounds like both men handled that initial encounter poorly. While Zimmerman was entirely within his rights to follow Martin, Martin was entirely within his rights to ask Zimmerman why he was following him. Zimmerman's hostile reply, “What are you doing here?”, in response to Martin's reasonable, “Why are you following me?”, was foolish and unwarranted. If Zimmerman had simply said, “I'm a resident here and a member of the Neighborhood Watch. We've had some break ins here and I don't remember seeing you in the complex before. I was concerned that you might not belong here”, Martin's reaction might have been different.

It might not have either. It's clear Martin was probably a budding gangbanger thug or at least a wannabe. Once Martin perceived Zimmerman as “dissing” him his perverse gangbanger/macho code demanded retribution. It's possible anything Zimmerman said would have resulted in Martin attacking him. If Martin had said, “I'm here with my father visiting his girlfriend”, and walked off that would have been the end of it.

Martin was a thug and initiated the violence. Zimmerman had not drawn his weapon and Martin did not know Zimmerman was armed until the weapon was exposed while Martin was beating Zimmerman around the head as he had him pinned to the ground. When Martin tried to get his gun it was do or die time for Zimmerman. I would have shot him too.

This was a 100% justified self defense shooting. Because Martin was black the race baiters are at full bay. They will not be satisfied until Zimmerman is convicted of something. Their thinly veiled threats of riots will, as always, outweigh any concern for justice. Obama/Holders Justice Department has been exposed as deeply racist before. They will stay true to form and bring the full weight and resources of the Federal government onto obtaining some conviction of George Martin. This is shameful,outrageous, and illegal and as usual white America will bend over and take it.

If I were Zimmerman and still had relatives in Peru I'd be looking for a way to get my not so white azz out of the country. He's screwed if he stays here. Black America demands and will get their sacrifice.