Skip to comments.Zimmerman Attorney To Anderson Cooper: Trayvon Martin Broke My Client’s Nose
Posted on 03/24/2012 6:47:49 AM PDT by tobyhill
Amid the rush of loud outrage and vocal protest from the parents of Trayvon Martin and their supporters the silence of one character in this tragic tale has been deafening: George Zimmerman, the free man who shot Martin and alleges self-defense. His attorney, Craig Sonner, finally spoke out to Anderson Cooper last night, and had few answers but one accusation his client has a broken nose and a laceration on his skull, and that was an injury done by Trayvon Martin.
Sonner noted to Cooper that his client seemed fine save for a considerable bit of stress natural to his situation, but admitted that y conversations have been by telephone. He did not know where Zimmerman was but assumed he was still in the area and hadnt fled the country. He had surprisingly little to offer Cooper about the facts of the case; asked what Zimmerman had told him about what transpired the night Martin died, he said he should have made a statement to police at the time, I believe he did, and said he did not discuss the details, and they would be privileged even if he had.
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Rep. West says a lot of stupid things.
This was just the latest example.
If Allen West was white he’d be just another congressman.
The police report will give the facts.Ever wonder why they didn’t make an arrest?.
What I want to know sir is when did a statement of the facts followed by commentary and opinion on these same facts become a “rant”? So far as I am concerned you have nothing to apoligise for since I thought FreeRepublic was a forum for information and ideas with a conservative bent.
I believe that subsequent information has shown that the person calling for help was indeed Zimmerman calling for help.
This whole sad affair has gotten out of hand purely on the basis of political opportunism. The lefties need a rage and riot excuse and this one is it. From my perspective I wish they would riot so that I may have not an excuse but a reason to retaliate with asymmetric force.
Eventually though this one will go the way of so many other leftist and racist causes of this pitiful administration and chapter of what is left of the United States.
May oblabla and all who side with him rot in hell.
THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM THE DRIVE BY MEDIA. THIS IS A NON STORY FILE IT WITH THE OTHER 13000 MURDER EACH YEAR IN OUR COUNTRY. I’M KEEPING TV OFF.
You stop too soon. They have no right to "demand" but they do have a right to ask. Further, no one has a right to beat someone up for asking a question.
All Zimmerman’s injuries prove is that there was a fight. They don’t prove who started the fight, which is of course the key issue. If Zimmerman started the fight (or even “provoked” Martin’s use of force against him), then Zimmerman is not entitled, as a matter of Florida law, to claim that he acted in self-defense.
There is conflicting evidence/testimony (the 911 tape, Zimmerman’s statement, Martin’s girlfriend’s statement) as to who started the confrontation. I don’t know what happened, or whether the evidence is enough to prosecute/convict Martin. What I do know is that Zimmerman’s lawyer’s statement about the broken nose is irrelevant to the key issue in this case, and is likely meant to be a bit of a misdirection (if the evidence on one point is unclear, any good lawyer will try to focus attention on the points that are more clearly favorable for their client).
I have on two occasions observed through my window a problem person walk by that my park manager has obtained a no-trespass warrant for and called it in. Both times, the dispatcher has asked for more info, like description of clothes and direction of travel. To do so, I had to go outside, around the corner, and follow, not pursue, to obtain this info. And you can bet I didn't go out there with just my phone.
Now, the second time it happened, he was arrested. I'm sure he would tell you I pursued him.
Manufactured “incident” is precisely the way I see it as well. It is doing exactly what was wanted... raise the left, give them another cause, distract the right (look at us, this is the most commented thing on FR right now it seems)
I wonder how many other people were shot that same day? Were all of those just cut and dried clear cases of crime or self defense? Why weren’t many of them “incidents”?
This is a real event turned into a manufactured “incident” to get us looking the other way. The comspiracy continues to roll right along.
I've heard 6' and 6'2", but stringbean build, 165 pounds or so.
-- So, if this neighborhood watch guy tried to ascertain what was going on with this unknown individual in the neighborhood who ran away from him, and when he grew tired and gave up the chase and was, I am presuming, returning to meet the police, was then attacked by the individual who was probably pummelinging him, then at that point he was standing his ground and could have been in fear for his life... --
At that point he can't be "standing ground" because, assuming he has been overwhelmed with superior force, he's lost the option of retreat.
Before he was taken down by Trayvon, he claims he was in retreat. He'd given up trying to locate Trayvon, and was headed back to his truck to wait for the police. By his story, he is no longer attempting to close the distance between himself and Trayvon.
-- but he was in a gated community (and why was he there? was that on the way to the store and back from the game?) --
Trayvon had a right to be in that community - his father or some other relative lives there, and Trayvon was living/visiting there.
-- If Trevon chose to turn around and attack this man, then he suffered the terrible consequences. --
Indeed. Not worth it.
“Over the past eight years, he called the Police Department at least 46 times with reports of various sightings.”
Sounds like a neighborhood where shootings aren’t uncommon.
Despite the best efforts of the race agitators like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan to cause violent and destructive race riots resulting in millions of dollars of damage, violent assaults and robberies, and even murder, I suspect that America has changed a bit since the Rodney King riots.
Oh, I have no doubt that there are tens of thousands of hate-filled criminal “youths”, more than willing to riot, engage in mass “wildings” and mob robberies in a rampage of terror against innocent people.
And I also have no doubt that Justice Department is now so corrupt and partisan that it would be more than willing to see cities burned by their favored criminals, without so much as lifting a finger to enforce the law or prosecute those responsible.
However, I also know a truism about American history. This is that when the government refuses, by corruption, incompetence, or complicity, to protect the public from criminals, the public will take it upon themselves to do so.
I know this, because it has happened before. And though its good name is disparaged by the government, it still resounds when needed. “Vigilantism”.
Vigilantism almost never begins as a violent movement, and it almost never fights offensively, for it is a form of defense. And 90% of the time, government changes in one way or another to return to its job of protecting the citizenry, so vigilantism loses its purpose and discontinues.
But on those rare occasions when government is adamant in its corruption, actively supporting criminals against the people, vigilantism rises to the occasion. It is the last, and very potent, line of defense against anarchy and chaos.
A little mentioned fact about the Rodney King riots was that on the first night of riots, the predominantly black rioters chose to attack the Korean community, causing much damage and looting stores, while attacking any Korean they saw.
This is little mentioned because that, while the rioters were able to do this once, by the following evening, the Korean community was heavily armed and more than willing to defend itself. Had the rioters returned, they would have experienced dozens or hundreds of casualties and killed.
Vigilantism, pure and simple. And effective.
Back to the here and now, once again, the racists are trying terribly hard to incite riots, and even the administration is hoping that this will “energize their base”, in some bizarre way, so that they can retain political power.
But this time, the public should have fair warning. And the laws across the country, about gun ownership and use, have changed considerably. And the public has responded by arming themselves to the teeth.
It is to our sadness that the US president would encourage riots and chaos in our nation to further his political ambitions, but appearances are that he has chosen to do so. Yet we do not have to passively accept the destruction, deprivation and despair he chooses as our future.
Individually, and as a group, we should stand united in the face of violence and crime, because its perpetrators and advocates are weak and cowardly, and will scatter if faced down by those who will defend the innocent. In most cases, our local and state governments will stand with us, with only part of the federal government acting the villain.
So the honest citizenry are in good company, and will almost certainly win.
You’ll have a long wait.
“Ill be waiting for all of the morons like Jeb Bush to call attention to their stupidity for being stampeded into denouncing Zimmerman before all of the facts were known.”
where were you for the Duke La Cross player rape case?
where were you when all 80 or so of the Duke professors hit the airwaves in condemnation of the players?
i don’t ask where were you when the apologies were issued....because there were none. not from the Duke professors, not from the media, not from the prosecutors, not from the perpetrators of the hoax.
so where does this leave us? a lot of the people in this country think those accused were guilty and somehow they used their privileged race and social status to squash the case.
Zimmerman will always be guilty of murder of an innocent child....gunned down while walking down the street with a bag of skittles....the AP has made sure of that.
link to a NYSLIMES focus group report....for example....
” my concern is what would happen if Tawana Brawley was white. A white kid is certainly capable of this kind of elaboration of fantasy. I don’t think there are many white people in America who don’t accept, particularly after the last week or so, that this kid lied. However, what is astonishing to me is the number of black people in this country who seem non-paranoid, relatively well-educated who think it’s a cover-up, that, in fact, believe to different extents that this really happened. I don’t know how to deal with such an obvious difference in attitude about authority, about credibility between blacks and whites in this country. . . “
i went to a focus group at a college about 7 months or so after the Simi Valley civil case against OJ. there were about equal numbers of black and non-black citizens there. we all came by volunteering. we were all concerned about the differences and we all wanted to try to understand the other point of view. it was interesting, and discouraging.
each of us across the racial divide could not understand how our counter parts could possibly not get it. Black people were very upset that we whites could not understand how the system is used to suppress Black people. they could not understand how we could be so supportive of the prosecutors and police. how could we be so blind to the obvious truth that OJ was innocent. not just in the legal sense of not guilty, but actually had nothing to do with the murders. how could we not understand that the police had planted that evidence? how could we be so.....and the words escape me....stupid? racist? something.....
there is no way to bridge this gap that i can see.
i do not like government. i am suspicious of what they do and how they do it. so we share that. why do i not understand that the government, the establishment, the elites etc have their own prejudices that suppress minorities and persecute them?
answer....because i am white. i cannot possibly understand. because it is not happening to me, and, it never did.
If the media makes much of an effort to report it. More interesting to me is how the media gets away with fanning the fires - that is, the public reaction is more interesting to me, than is the small number of people who will be involved in looking at the reliable evidence.
The underlined wording is factually incorrect, as evidenced by the public statement of the Sanford city manager.
See numerous pdf files here, authored and/or hosted by the City of Sanford (.gov), with particular attention to this one, containing the following description (~halfway down the page) of the police dispatcher's words to Zimmerman at the time:
If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman are you following him. Zimmerman replied, yes. The call taker stated you dont need to do that. The call takers suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmermans statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
(underlining mine, for highlighting purposes only)
He was a part owner and a part of the neighborhood watch.
He has no police powers it is true...but I do not think it is illegal for him to ask a person what he is up to. Anymore than it was illegal for Trevon to be there...unless it was marked private property and no tresspassing.
At any rate, as far as I am concerned, you are right. The case will be decided based on what happened at the point of physical altercation.
Apparently the person heard crying for help was Zimmerman. Trevon was quite a bit larger and stronger than Zimmerman and was being beaten at that point. If he was in fear of his life at that point, then the stand your ground law comes into effect.
What will matter will be how the grand jury (1st) and then perhaps later a jury will interpret what happened and whose fault it was.
With crime going on in the area, confronting a stranger in the community may not be viwed as a bad thing (I wouldn’t if it were my community and I was a part owner). If they view following the young man as wrong, then they may hold Zimmerman responsible and trump the stand your ground...though I do not think that what either of them did was illegal until the punches started flying.
That being the case...and if this is what happened (we still do not know), then my opinon falls with Zimmerman.
At that point he had given up the chase and was returning back to meet the police who were supposed to be coming and he was attacked, maybe blind sided. That decision to attack, to initiate force, was Trevon’s decision...and self defense is allowed when being attacked physcally.
Anyhow, we’ll see how it plays out. What really get s me mad is the way the left and the President are politicizing it, and the way the MSM is convicting Zimmerman based on hearsay and incomplete facts...and the calls by the Black Panthers and Nation of Ilsam for violence in the streets and “wanted Dead or Alive” put out by them on Zimmerman.
Remember that when the OWS hippies camp out on your lawn.
Zimmerman had every right to ask Trayvon anything he wanted. Trayvon had no obligation to answer. He could have just told Zimmerman to mind his own business or just ignored him altogether.
Trayvon had no right to physically assault Zimmerman as reported by an eyewitness.
That isn’t the older photo I have, and I think others have said the one there isn’t even him. That is someone in GA.
Well, if the stand your ground flew out when he retreated, then pure self-defense comes into play.
Either way, the decision to initiate force was apparently the kids decision...and it was a bad one. If he had simply confronted Zimmerman and explained that he lived there and was walking to a game...I bet nothing would have happened.
This story is another example of how the radical left manipulates the news and the lame stream media goes along. From what I read of the Sanford PD report on this there was not enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman, a grand jury was scheduled to look into the matter and then the media and race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson moved in screaming...why was there no arrest.
I first thought it was an attempt to overturn the castle doctrine law, but now I am beginning to think that they want open race war which will allow Obama to use his EO to declare martial law and the 2012 election will be put on hold as a matter of national security.
We live in troubled times
I hear what you saying but on the face of it, a self appointed armed policeman without the requisite training nor the desire to listen to supervision, making rounds and pursuing “suspects” is not advisable behavior.
The odd thing about the case is that no one mentions that Zimmerman is a Latino, because it defeats the propaganda value.
It must have been a ‘live’ comment. No way Anderson Cooper would ever gets off the liberal elite propaganda message.
Maybe it happened as he was having his head pounded in the ground. Go read the police report Al
Thus the media drives the perception....and should not be held guiltless when the facts show Zimmerman was entirely innocent in this happening.
He was doing his job and acted accordingly as most would in his place. IMO this isn't anything more than an Obamamachine driven, media pimped, political "campaign" against the American people as a whole.
"Whoever controls the media controls the masses"....and the media is in full Obama campaign mode.
Sharpton strikes me as one of those opportunistic freaks who attempts to crash parties in hopes of finding an intoxicated/incapacitated female to take perverse advanatage.
Yes, and all the angst over the propriety of "stand your ground" needs to find another case to glom onto.
-- Either way, the decision to initiate force was apparently the kids decision. --
If so, as a matter of law, Zimmerman needs only show that he apprehended serious injury (and taking a beating EASILY meets that threshold) in order to be justified.
But, as a matter of public opinion, he's screwed, and ought to be thinking about suing the media.
“Remember that when the OWS hippies camp out on your lawn.”
If they are on my property, it’s a different situation from following somebody around with my CCW pistol.
He was not required to obey the instructions of the 911 dsipatcher. What Zimmerman did was not illegal, any more than the young man being in and walking around the neighborhood was illegal, where apparently family of his lived.
The key thing is the violence and altercation. Apparently Zimmerman gave up the chase and was walking back when he was attacked by this young man...who was getting the better of him and pummeling him.
At that point Zimmerman had every right to defend himself. Apparently, it was Zimmerman crying out for help on the tape.
If the young man initiated violence, it was illegal and irrespective of stand your ground, Zimmerman was entitled to defend himself. That decision to use violence was initiated by the young man...apparently.
But we have to let the facts come out and that is the real issue IMHO. Let the process work...we have a President and others immediately politicising it and convicting Zimmerman before he has a chance to defend himself or have due process.
It may shake out as legit SD. Or it may not. But surely you can agree that a “lesson learned” here is that a CCW holder puts himself into grave legal jeapordy if he follows a “suspect,” thereby initiating a series of events.
If the “suspect” pulls a J-turn back at his follower, the SD aspect is put at risk by the follower’s actions before the shooting.
You don’t see this? Really? Does this mean you suggest as a reasonable and recommended practice that CCW holders should follow “suspects” around and demand information from them?
You don’t see how this puts the CCW holder in grave legal danger?
You’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion I have on the events. Treyvon had been visiting his father and they were at the father’s fiance’s when Trayvon left to go to a store for tea and skittles and was on his way back to the father’s fiance’s home.
When Zimmerman stopped looking and was returning to his truck, the kid should have left well enough alone. Instead, it looks like he attacked Zimmerman from behind. I think they find that he was shot at close range because he was on top of Zimmerman, beating on him.
Wrong.... the recording is clear that he did stop....and even when he was persuing you can hear him and it was hardly a minute if that.
Watch can and does move to keeping the individual in sight, especially if he is jolting as this guy did....which is why Zimmerman began following him when he ran...., but when told not to do so he stopped. The converstion continues with directions on where he is and when to meet up with the police.
Might be good idea if you look at what is allowable and taught to Neighborhood watch members before you assume it only means watching...as well as listen to the recording of that conversation before passing even a minor conclusion of the matter.
Have a nice day, troll.
His attorney, Craig Sonner, finally spoke out to Anderson Cooper last night, and had few answers but one accusation -- his client has a broken nose and a laceration on his skull, and that was "an injury done by Trayvon Martin."
There were recent photos all over here last night but do not post pictures.
He had every right to follow Martin; he had every right to ask if Martin lived there; and, he had every right not to be attacked. Not one of Zimmerman’s actions was illegal. Martin’s actions alone were illegal.
Where are the photos?
Can you answer the same question I put at 86? Thanks.
I wonder if you’re putting too much emphasis on what a 911 dispatcher’s (I believe that very few of them are actual LEO’s, but I could be wrong) instructions carry legally. Their instructions invariably are to wait for the cops to arrive. I’m sure that there are hundreds of instances a year that crimes are averted by people who disregard dispatcher’s instructions to stand down.
This 6'2 guy was no "kid". And fully has a track history of missing school five days at a clip....what mischief was he up to then? Time will reveal what happened...all we're hearing now is vast mass speculation without evidence.
Those protesting this should be ashammed.
Er, excuse my French.
You stated Zimmerman had no right to ask Trayvon any questions. That is what I took issue with. No matter what questions Zimmerman asked Trayvon, he did not have the right to physically assault Zimmerman for some perceived disrespect.