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What if Trayvon Had Been White, and the Shooter Black?
American Thinker ^ | 03/24/2012 | Michael Filozof

Posted on 03/24/2012 10:09:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What would happen if a black man armed with a handgun confronted "suspicious persons" in his neighborhood? What would happen if the "suspicious persons" were unarmed white teens, one of them was shot dead, and the shooter claimed self-defense?

This is not an exercise in mere speculation. We know what would happen in such a case. There would be no white mobs in the street chanting "No justice, no peace!" There would be no whites holding a "million hoodie march" in New York City. There would be no white equivalent of Al Sharpton, the professional race-baiter behind the 1987 Tawana Brawley hoax, leading marches in the streets of the shooter's hometown. There would be no Federal civil rights investigation by the Justice Department. There would be no comments from a president who seems congenitally unable to keep his mouth shut on matters involving left-wing political correctness. And there would be no national media attention from biased, left-wing "reporters."

We know this because in fact, such an event occurred in 2009 in Greece, N.Y., a suburb of Rochester. Roderick Scott, a black man, shot and killed an unarmed white teen, Christopher Cervini, whom he believed was burglarizing a neighbor's car, with a licensed .40 cal. handgun.

There are many similarities between the Scott-Cervini case and the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case in Florida. In both cases, there had been a spate of criminal activity in the neighborhood. In both cases, the shooters called 911 to report suspicious activity, yet chose to confront the unarmed suspects outside their residence and off their own property prior to the arrival of the police. In both cases, the shooters claimed that they felt threatened, and fired in self-defense. In both cases, local law enforcement applied relevant state law.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: murder; race; trayvonmartin

1 posted on 03/24/2012 10:09:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Only would have made the obits.


2 posted on 03/24/2012 10:11:31 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t need to wonder about “what ifs”. We have blacks killings whites all the time. It is never a big deal.


3 posted on 03/24/2012 10:19:20 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: boomop1

Excellent article.

I live in Rochester, I remember this. It was really sad for everyone. I remember wondering at the time, “hmm, if the shooter was white and the victim black, I think the media would be all over it.”


4 posted on 03/24/2012 10:21:05 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: SeekAndFind

no press coverage. the perp in this case appears to be latino, so no hate crime here. only white people commit hate crimes is what the press has been touting.


5 posted on 03/24/2012 10:23:06 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s tragic the kid was killed. But being doused with gasoline and set on fire is more horrific IMO. And not a word from the media is even more pathetic!

And this was another opportunity for Obama to say if he had sons they would have look just loike the kids who set little whitey on fire!


6 posted on 03/24/2012 10:24:51 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: SeekAndFind

True, reverse the races and there is no story. Plus, half Hispanic Zimmerman is white and Obama is Black.

Black on Black crime is the curse of all our inner cities and I can’t recall any marches and presidential comments on this social issue?


7 posted on 03/24/2012 10:26:26 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: television is just wrong
the perp in this case appears to be latino, so no hate crime here. only white people commit hate crimes is what the press has been touting.

He's a white latino, according to the state-controlled media.

8 posted on 03/24/2012 10:27:00 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: No Socialist
We have blacks killings whites all the time. It is never a big deal.

Exactly. New is, by definition, what is unusual. Therefore, a reversal of the outcome wouldn't draw much more than a yawn.

9 posted on 03/24/2012 10:27:44 AM PDT by econjack
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To: SeekAndFind

“What if Trayvon Had Been White, and the Shooter Black?”

Correction:

What if Trayvon Had Been “Latino”, and the Shooter Black?

Remember, he is described as a “Latino” and not white. I don’t know what color “latinos” are suppose to be, but there seems to be a distinction here on FR between “Latinos” and whites.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 10:32:25 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re getting reports that Mr. Zimmerman is partly black and Latino, not that it’ll matter to the Sharptons.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 10:32:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Steely Tom

of course because only whites can commit hate crimes.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: No Socialist

This wasn’t a black white thing! It was Hispanic Black thing!


13 posted on 03/24/2012 10:34:52 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: No Socialist

“Don’t need to wonder about “what ifs”. We have blacks killings whites all the time. It is never a big deal.”

lol... sad to say!


14 posted on 03/24/2012 10:35:45 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s really no need even to ask the question.

The answer is, of course, “It would not even have made the evening news.”


15 posted on 03/24/2012 10:39:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm in the nut-job conspiracy camp on this one with its slo-mo outrage. Obozo would love a race war. The various Revs. and community organizers took up the slack and it either took a month with a weak case or they leapt out of desperation. The “presidents” remarks vis a vis this case are off the charts in their sneaky venom.
16 posted on 03/24/2012 10:39:18 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Ueriah

He should have mentioned the latest Black on White hate crime where a white child was doused with gasoline and set on fire by black racists and there was not a peep out of “anti-racist” mob.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 10:42:00 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

If a black murdered a white, and it was a FEDERAL case, the racist POS Eric Holder would dismiss it because it “disparages his people”.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 10:45:51 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Did you shed tears when Black men and women were lynched and their fingers and toes cut off and handed to the crowd as souvenirs? My father witnessed things like that while growing up in the south.

Today,we are only one generation from those times and Black Americans still live with painful memories of those events

I grieve for those white Americans who are victims of racial crimes, but please do not use today's Black on white crime as an attempt to minimize the countless Black people who were lynched in the most horrible ways imaginable and never reported


19 posted on 03/24/2012 10:48:29 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: tallyhoe
This wasn’t a black white thing! It was Hispanic Black thing!

True... but that's not with the way our socialist media is playing it.
20 posted on 03/24/2012 10:49:11 AM PDT by hawaiianninja (Palm note to self: Work for a succesful 2012! +Throw the garbage out!)
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To: hawaiianninja

And perception is reality.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 10:50:22 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Right. In Critical Race Theory, (social studies diversity doctrines) only whites are racist; they are born that way by virtue of their skin color. Our constitutional Republic is racist. Our history is racist. Racial revenge is justice.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 10:51:22 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: tallyhoe

“This wasn’t a black white thing! It was Hispanic Black thing!”

True. I guess this proves the race mongers are racist against Latinos as well.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 10:54:22 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: SeekAndFind

What if Trayvon was black?

And instead of being “white”, the shooter was Hispanic with black family?

Oh! Wait....... I get it. That could upset the narrative.

So the shooter would still have to be portrayed as “white”.


24 posted on 03/24/2012 10:58:26 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: TalBlack
I'm in the nut-job conspiracy camp on this one with its slo-mo outrage. Obozo would love a race war. The various Revs. and community organizers took up the slack and it either took a month with a weak case or they leapt out of desperation. The “presidents” remarks vis a vis this case are off the charts in their sneaky venom.

Maybe you better take a look at these hispanics in the so called "Avenues gang" of South Pasadena, CA and their brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing of Black inhabitants of their neighborhoods.

This activity continues even until the present day

"...The Avenues are notorious for their participation in hate crimes against black inhabitants of their neighborhoods. From 1995-1997 blacks began to move into apartments in the Hawaiian Gardens area and in two short years there were 36 hate crimes committed including 3 murders and 6 firebombings. Some have called their actions a campaign of ethnic cleansing.Aside from their participation in hate related crimes, their main source of income from from illegal narcotics and human trafficking. They are responsible for over 100 murders in the last 20 years alone."
25 posted on 03/24/2012 10:59:57 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: SeekAndFind

,,,, a total news blackout !!!


26 posted on 03/24/2012 11:00:31 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: SeekAndFind
chirp.

chirp.

27 posted on 03/24/2012 11:00:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What if both were white? Or both were black? What if we didn’t know their race?

Zimmerman stopped/approached someone that he didn’t recognize as being from that neighborhood. He was right.

A witness places Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him. Forensic evidence backs that up.

Zimmerman racially targeted and just shot down a black kid in cold blood? The evidence says “AAANK.... WRONG!”


28 posted on 03/24/2012 11:01:29 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does this help answer the question posed in the headline?

Texas Elderly Man Reportedly Kidnapped, Raped in ‘Hate’ Attack

Published November 09, 2011
| FoxNews.com

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/09/texas-elderly-man-reportedly-kidnapped-raped-in-hate-attack/#ixzz1q3bVX1Fa

Could not find follow up to see if the animals were caught.
Could not find another MSMerde (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc) links to the story though a lot of blogs commented on it.
Could not find any comment by aO bama.


29 posted on 03/24/2012 11:02:01 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask the 13 year old white boy who was doused with gasoline and set on fire, while his black assailants yelled racial slurs at him...

This whole thing makes me sick...


30 posted on 03/24/2012 11:03:11 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Santorum in the primary, Anyone But Obama in November !!!)
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To: Rooivalk
Today,we are only one generation from those times and Black Americans still live with painful memories of those events

Most blacks today do not have any memories of those times, since they happened back in the 1930s, a few in the 1940s and no lynchings of blacks in the 1950s(some were killed over the civil rights protest, but no lynchings). There were never "countless" blacks lynched, even in the south. More than there should have been but not in the numbers you suggest.

The blacks today have no memories of being treated like sh**, what they have is the memory of so called black "leaders" telling them that whitey has caused all of their ills and whitey needs to pay.

Saying it is ok for blacks to kill whites in the numbers they are doing today because some blacks were lynched back in the 1920s and 1930s is BS. Want to blame someone for those times? Blame the democrats because they were the political party upholding that type of behavior. KKK were all demwit party members.

31 posted on 03/24/2012 11:07:00 AM PDT by calex59
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To: SeekAndFind

I was recently surprised to find out that Latinos are only considered to be white when they kill a black guy.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 11:07:18 AM PDT by TonyM (E)
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To: SeekAndFind

All the Communists/Racists who’ve hurried to the front lines of the latest protest industry event may wind up with egg on their collective face.

Fox News Miami is reporting that there is an eye witness who says he saw what happened and that Martin attacked Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was punching him in the face. Zimmerman’s back was wet with grass stains and his face was bloody.

It’s a real tragedy because two lives have been destroyed and the Communist agitators have seized this incident to bring out their dupes and rehearse their plans for hot weather riots.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 11:08:16 AM PDT by Postman (The only handgun we can carry in the PRNJ shoots rubber bands)
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To: Rooivalk
Did you shed tears when Black men and women were lynched and their fingers and toes cut off and handed to the crowd as souvenirs? My father witnessed things like that while growing up in the south.

Today,we are only one generation from those times and Black Americans still live with painful memories of those events

I grieve for those white Americans who are victims of racial crimes, but please do not use today's Black on white crime as an attempt to minimize the countless Black people who were lynched in the most horrible ways imaginable and never reported

A lot of injustice happened in the past - all over the world. And not just to blacks. And especially not just to the relatively small percentage of the world's blacks who lived in America at the time.

Fortunately no one living in America today had to experience any of the treatment you speak of. But those things still do go on in other parts of the world.

Today the racial-grievance-for-profit-business has rolled over good hearted efforts to ensure equality and justice in America for everyone.

The bright promise of America today is being thrown away so some people can extract "payback" and enrich themselves by wallowing in racism and setting race against race.

Sometimes you just have to man up and move along in life.


34 posted on 03/24/2012 11:15:18 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: TonyM

Got kick out this comment from a concervative blog:

Robert Zimmerman, the father, told the Orlando Sentinal “George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family.”

Barack Obama also has one white parent. The media never calls him a “white man.”


35 posted on 03/24/2012 11:25:45 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Rooivalk

Yeah, I’ve read about that stuff. Been going on for a while. Seems the race of the aggressors may be a factor. PC is insanity and insanely complicated. What galvanized me was when the president weighed in and so provocatively. He is speaking to a group that has been pandered to by Black community types as well as guilty white jackasses (politicians.teleplay-screenwriters,authors teachers etc)for nigh on 40 years. It may not end well. “White Hispanic” indeed.


36 posted on 03/24/2012 11:35:21 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SaraJohnson

I have never heard of “Critical Race Theory” I went to conservative colleges in the 80s.

I can tell Marxism is the rule just by talking to younger college folks. Many are brainwashed useful idiots.

It does not surprise me that this race theory is taught in major (leftist) universities.

It explains the outrage over Trayvon Martin, and why no one cares about the 2008 NBP voter intimidation case.


37 posted on 03/24/2012 11:37:49 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In most states, blacks kill more whites each and every year, than the number of blacks killed by whites in the past 150 years.

Lynchings: By State and Race, 1882-1968


 
 
 

Lynchings: By State and Race, 1882-1968 *


State White Black Total

Alabama 48 299 347
Arizona 31 0 31
Arkansas 58 226 284
California 41 2 43
Colorado 65 3 68
Delaware 0 1 1
Florida 25 257 282
Georgia 39 492 531
Idaho 20 0 20
Illinois 15 19 34
Indiana 33 14 47
Iowa 17 2 19
Kansas 35 19 54
Kentucky 63 142 205
Louisiana 56 335 391
Maine 1 0 1
Maryland 2 27 29
Michigan 7 1 8
Minnesota 5 4 9
Mississippi 42 539 581
Missouri 53 69 122
Montana 82 2 84
Nebraska 52 5 57
Nevada 6 0 6
New Jersey 1 1 2
New Mexico 33 3 36
New York 1 1 2
North Carolina 15 86 101
North Dakota 13 3 16
Ohio 10 16 26
Oklahoma 82 40 122
Oregon 20 1 21
Pennsylvania 2 6 8
South Carolina 4 156 160
South Dakota 27 0 27
Tennessee 47 204 251
Texas 141 352 493
Utah 6 2 8
Vermont 1 0 1
Virginia 17 83 100
Washington 25 1 26
West Virginia 20 28 48
Wisconsin 6 0 6
Wyoming 30 5 35
Total 1,297 3,446 4,743
*Statistics provided  by the Archives at Tuskegee Institute.
 

Shipp  Trial Homepage

 
38 posted on 03/24/2012 11:40:31 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Rooivalk

“Did you shed tears when Black men and women were lynched and their fingers and toes cut off and handed to the crowd as souvenirs?”

When was that, 1920? That isn’t part of the desegregation era; it is much earlier. Your father might remember it, though he would one of the few left alive that could.

“do not use today’s Black on white crime as an attempt to minimize the countless Black people who were lynched in the most horrible ways imaginable and never reported”

While this occurred and was terrible, and is very much a part of our history, you’d be surprised between the reality of the numbers involved and the perception fueled by race-baiters. When BJ Clinton claimed to remember black churches burning in Arkansas while growing up, it was accepted as The Truth because it had become part of The Myth. Subsequent research proved that not a single black church was burned during that period in Arkansas (though he did set off a couple of suthern church burnings that resulted in arrests of blacks for insurance fires in the 1990s).

The Myth isn’t just about blacks; look at the number of Irish people killed since The Troubles began in the late 1960s, and you’d be shocked that it could be spun into so much. I don’t think the number even reached 2,500 over several years, yet it plays out in our media & American culture as though it was full-fledged war (by comparison the British lost 60,000 men in the first day of the Battle of the Somme in 1916 - more than we lost during the whole Vietnam War).


39 posted on 03/24/2012 2:55:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Rooivalk

It’s not white people that blacks have to fear today....it’s their own kind they have to fear.


40 posted on 03/24/2012 2:57:55 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind
1. Unlike Zimmerman, Scott admitted to confronting Cervini and his friends.

2. Unlike Martin, Cervini was not alone and WAS committing a criminal act when confronted.

3. Like Zimmerman, Scott claimed that he acted in self-defense when Cervini jumped him.

4. Unlike Zimmerman, Scott was arrested for murder.

You know why there were no riots, no outrage?

Because Scott WAS arrested.
Because a grand jury DID return an indictment against him. (Though they dropped the charge from murder to manslaughter.)
And because it went to a jury.

The jury, not the police, were the ones who decided that Scott was innocent.

41 posted on 03/24/2012 3:18:55 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise
What if the shooter were an American Indian (played by Elvis) and the victim Norwegian?


42 posted on 03/24/2012 3:24:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dfwgator
It’s not white people that blacks have to fear today....it’s their own kind they have to fear.

Wouldn't you say its more like guys like this Zimmerman who want to be cops and try to behave as the police yet do not have the judgement or maturity to handle the responsibility of carrying a concealed weapon?

Guys like Zimmerman could easily kill you or one of your loved ones because they felt disrespected that you did not recognize their self proclaimed gun driven "authority"
43 posted on 03/24/2012 3:25:32 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: SeekAndFind

And if both were black this would not even have made the 6:00 News.


44 posted on 03/24/2012 3:57:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

So true, I will hold the media responsible for all the violence that follows this incident. I love what the media is supposed to be, but I despise what it has become. Thank goodness for the Internet. I first realized how corrupt the media was when they covered up 800. Things have only gotten worse since then.


45 posted on 03/24/2012 4:04:41 PM PDT by TBall
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To: No Socialist

True. I guess this proves the race mongers are racist against Latinos as well.

They the Media thinks they can’t get away with it since his last name is Zimmerman!


46 posted on 03/24/2012 4:33:53 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
What if the shooter had been Filipino like Wayne Newton?
47 posted on 03/24/2012 5:35:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: SeekAndFind; Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!
What would happen if a black man armed with a handgun confronted "suspicious persons" in his neighborhood?

NOT A DAMN THING


48 posted on 03/24/2012 5:37:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Too complicated. A German speaking Filipino woman? Danke Schoen.


49 posted on 03/24/2012 5:37:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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