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Another Skittles-related death
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2012 | Paul Jacob

Posted on 03/25/2012 5:42:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

A young man was shot dead by a neighborhood watch captain a month ago in Sanford, Florida, a town I’ve only driven through during a vacation or two.

The particular facts of the case, at least as they’ve been reported, are that the victim, 17-year old Trayvon Martin, committed no crime and was totally unarmed — unless a package of Skittles and an iced tea are considered dangerous weapons. Still, the shooter, 28-year old George Zimmerman, has not been arrested or charged with homicide.

The killing and the lack of an arrest — or even any sign, until recent days, of a serious investigation into the deadly incident — have understandably elicited public outrage and protest.

That anger and offense seems as universal as anything can be. President Barack Obama as well as Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum have all expressed it.

GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney called the shooting a “tragedy” and offered, “There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity.”

Newt Gingrich also called it a “tragedy” and said, “we’re going to relentlessly seek justice.” Rick Santorum argued it was “horrible” that local police didn’t “immediately go after and prosecute this case.”

The president went much further, stating that, “All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen.”

Yet, the trigger wasn’t pulled by “all of us.” It was pulled by George Zimmerman.

On Fox News, Geraldo Rivera shifted blame elsewhere: onto hoodies. “I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters, particularly, not to let their children go out wearing hoodies,” he said. “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as much as George Zimmerman was.”

Beware the dreaded hoodie makers and those heartless retailers!

Throughout the news coverage and political punditry the issue of race is consistently raised. Some contend that Zimmerman is a racist. On the tape of his calls with a 911-dispatcher, some say they hear Zimmerman use a racial epithet. I’ve listened to the recording a dozen times and just can’t hear anything.

Zimmerman’s father adamantly denies his son had any racial animus, since “George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends. He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever.”

In his younger days, Zimmerman had been the victim of a criminal assault, which might have influenced him to be more fearful of being victimized, quicker to pull a trigger. There is no indication of a racial component to that earlier incident.

On the more crucial issue, self-defense, it appears that it was Zimmerman who was following Martin, not the other way around. This seems to obliterate a defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows the use of deadly force when under threat.

As for any tendency toward violence, in 2005 an ex-fiancée won a protective injunction against Zimmerman citing domestic violence. The implication of this is muddied up by the fact that Zimmerman filed and won his own injunction against her, too.

George Zimmerman attended a four-month law-enforcement program put on by the local sheriff’s office in 2008 and claimed at that time that he hoped to become a policeman one day. He has also worked with the Retreat at Twin Lakes neighborhood watch for eight years.

The bottom-line? We know too little about Mr. Zimmerman’s state of mind before or during this tragic clash. But whether his shooting of Trayvon Martin was spurred by race or an itchy trigger finger or a hero complex or something we know absolutely nothing about, or was actually somehow in self defense, is beside the point.

The point is that our justice system ought to get to the bottom of it.

We innocent bystanders are no more responsible for this deadly tragedy than are hoodies. But a miscarriage of justice by those who work for us — our government, our police — is our responsibility. Even though African Americans have experienced a lack of justice for far too long, the broader lesson here is for all of us to stand up in whatever way we can to demand and secure justice for each and every individual.

Sabrina Fulton, Trayvon’s mother, put it all in proper perspective, when she said, “This is not about a black and white thing; this is about a right and wrong thing.”

Doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and the complexities of this case may have baffled the police in the first instance, discouraging action. Or habitual racism may have been a factor in officialdom’s initial inaction, even if it played a scant role in the shooting itself.

Whatever proves to be the case, public reaction and a free press seem to be doing their job, spurring review, investigation and, ultimately, some justice.


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1 posted on 03/25/2012 5:42:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I thought the purpose of the grand jury was to determine whether there was sufficient evidence a crime had been committed to justify a trial.


2 posted on 03/25/2012 5:45:11 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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“This is not about a black and white thing; this is about a right and wrong thing.”

Better tell that to CNN. Even up until yesterday they were still officially describing Zimmerman as a “White Hispanic”. I have never heard a description like that before in my life. So, since CNN is ‘obsessed’ with breaking everything down to the color of a person's skin, who else are White Hispanics? Is Soledad Obrian a White, is Geraldo a White.

Tell us CNN. Who is a “White Hispanic” in your eyes you racist bastards. I mean since you have put yourself in the position of ‘defining’ who is what race, tell me what race I am CNN. Come on. I'm waiting.

Racist pigs!

3 posted on 03/25/2012 5:50:42 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Kaslin
Generally good article... except for this crap at the end:

Even though African Americans have experienced a lack of justice for far too long...

Doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and the complexities of this case may have baffled the police in the first instance, discouraging action. Or habitual racism may have been a factor in officialdom’s initial inaction, even if it played a scant role in the shooting itself.

4 posted on 03/25/2012 5:50:49 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Kaslin

Also, the article spent far too much time analyzing Zimmerman’s background without a mention of Martin’s. I’ve read some articles which suggest Martin had his own run-ins with the law. They don’t deserve mention?


5 posted on 03/25/2012 5:52:39 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Kaslin
Watch captain, I hear on Fox last night, the the watch committee commander was elected by one vote, and only had one member. LOL, watch committee, self appointed king of the community.
6 posted on 03/25/2012 5:52:53 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Kaslin

“But whether his shooting of Trayvon Martin was spurred by race or an itchy trigger finger or a hero complex or something we know absolutely nothing about, or was actually somehow in self defense, is beside the point. “
Wrong, you jellyfish. Self defense is a basic instinct, not “beside the point”.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 5:53:32 AM PDT by Fireone (Elect a patriot, elect Newt! (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: Kaslin

Paul Jacob is an underinformed fool. I blame him and our mainstream media for this.

“The particular facts of the case, at least as they’ve been reported, are that the victim, 17-year old Trayvon Martin, committed no crime”

We have a witness that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, pummeling him. If Trayvon initiated this physical altercation, as Zimmerman says he did, then yes, Trayvon Martin did commit a crime.

Again, Paul Jacob is an underinformed fool.


8 posted on 03/25/2012 5:55:43 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kaslin

I wish there was a republican with balls that would inform the president that in his adopted home of Chicago, many more killings are done by people who look like him against people that look like him.
All without a mention of outrage by him or other so called civil rights leaders.


9 posted on 03/25/2012 5:56:04 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Kaslin

Last night, breaking news had it that the shooter was attacked by the dead kid. This kicker was that they have a witness and this is why the police let the shooter go. Apparently, this guy gave something of an anonymous interview.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 5:56:34 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Kaslin

Doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and the complexities of this case may have baffled the police in the first instance, discouraging action. Or habitual racism may have been a factor in officialdom’s initial inaction, even if it played a scant role in the shooting itself.

Whatever proves to be the case, public reaction and a free press seem to be doing their job, spurring review, investigation and, ultimately, some justice.


The white spike lee. Cops suck, public reaction has been appropriate and we have a free press. Worthless idiot.


11 posted on 03/25/2012 5:56:43 AM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: org.whodat

Pretty sure this “watch captain” stuff was made up by the attorney for Treyvan’s father, who is looking to sue the community for Zimmerman’s “official” acts as their security rep. This same attorney miss characterized the police statement as to what Zimmerman told the police, saying Zimmerman told them he was “squeeky clean”. The attorney is looking for $$.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 5:57:39 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: Kaslin
Tell us CNN. Who is a “White Hispanic” in your eyes you racist bastards

I caught that too. White Hispanic? Oops that previous day, CNN would have called him Hispanic. But they couldn't allow a White-on-Black thing be a Hispanic-on-Black. White Hispanic? Agitation-Propaganda in the raw! Agitprop

13 posted on 03/25/2012 5:59:40 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist)
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To: Kaslin
All hope of finding out the "REAL" truth has been dashed thanks to the local news media (Mainly abc channel 9 here in Orlando). The presence of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NEW BLACK PANTHERS hasn't helped either.
Now we will probably never know what transpired that night. Some want to believe that the Sanford police department covered up the shooting of a black. Until we (maybe) get all the evidence and in a court of law and not on TV I will withhold blame.
14 posted on 03/25/2012 5:59:47 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am the Only Daddy that will walk the line. . . . . . .)
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To: Fireone
Especially if you are a somewhat pudgy member of a racially inferior group on the ground having your head beat in by a 6'3”, 190 pound youth who has been given a social license to administer a beating over some perceived insult.
15 posted on 03/25/2012 6:00:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 240B

Geraldo is a puke


16 posted on 03/25/2012 6:01:29 AM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: 240B

I maintain that if the half Hispanic Zimmerman is white, what color is our half white president?


17 posted on 03/25/2012 6:02:50 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion xa)
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To: 240B
Better tell that to CNN. Even up until yesterday they were still officially describing Zimmerman as a “White Hispanic”.

Terezzza Kerry, wife of John I was in Viet Nam Kerry, white as snow, was an African American.

18 posted on 03/25/2012 6:02:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Kaslin

This is an open and shut case. One person was black and the other hispanic. Blacks have more status than hispanics. Therefore, the hispanic must be guilty. The president doesn’t need a grand jury or due process. He can kill anybody he decides needs killing, American citizen or not, on U.S. soil or not. Watch out for the predator drones, Zimmerman.


19 posted on 03/25/2012 6:03:29 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Kaslin

Police and witnesses observed Trayvon Martin on top of and committing assault and battery upon Watchman Zimmerman, who had already sustained a broken nose, a laceration on the back requiring stitches and other injuries, before Zimmerman fired a single shot to defend his life and limb. The 911 tapes recorded Zimmerman’s calls for help minutes before the shot was fired to stop the bloody beating. How does the victim of the shooting manage to commit assault and battery upon a watchman while innocently walking down the sidewalk? What injuries did the Police find that Martin sustained before being shot? It begs the queston who foloowed and attacked whom? Isn’t that what the law enforcement investigationis supposed to determine before the racial prejudice is wielded against the survivor of the altercation?


20 posted on 03/25/2012 6:04:04 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Kaslin
Doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and the complexities of this case may have baffled the police in the first instance, discouraging action. Or habitual racism may have been a factor in officialdom’s initial inaction, even if it played a scant role in the shooting itself.

Doing the right thing, like writing an unbiased article that is lib-snot pretending to be down the middle reporting.

This guy sees racism in this case, if it is not the shooter, it is the dreaded "officialdom racism".

Every American, except the American born black, is a racist, just ax one, and they will tell you.

Your being born white makes you a racist and them a victim; I am so sick of this crap.

What do you think the media reaction would be if someone put a $5,000 reward out for mikhail muhammed, the leader of the black panthers, regardless that no warrant has been issued for his arrest?

21 posted on 03/25/2012 6:06:35 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: dewawi

Do not know, I just know the former judge lady on fox, said the watch commander stuff was bull, he self appointed himself. His so called attorney also told her he was not his attorney, he had only provided some legal advice, that means, I do not work for you until your step dads check clears, when I get it. She also said, that in the real operations manual for approved community watch groups, it says they cannot carry weapons and they cannot approach anyone.


22 posted on 03/25/2012 6:06:53 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: WorkingClassFilth
" this is why the police let the shooter go."

I understand that the Sanford police department wanted to arrest Zimmerman, but the DA said they didn't have a case and not to. If new evidence came out they could arrest him later, but once they arrested him the clock starts ticking. Apparently there was sufficient evidence of Travor attacking Zimmerman, mainly a broken nose and injury to the back of Zimmermans head and a eye witness.
Since the DA and the police work together all the time that is why the police won't criticize the DA.

23 posted on 03/25/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am the Only Daddy that will walk the line. . . . . . .)
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To: FreedomPoster

BTTT!!!


24 posted on 03/25/2012 6:08:09 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Kaslin
Another militantly ignorant race pimp appeasing moron heard from.

The weasel should sign up on FR .. he'd have plenty of company amongst the head^ass crowd.

25 posted on 03/25/2012 6:08:21 AM PDT by tomkat ( .. shall NOT be abridged)
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To: Kaslin

African Americans have experienced a lack of justice for far too long.

Wonder what the name of that complex would be called?.


26 posted on 03/25/2012 6:08:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

Constitution...Rule of Law...Innocent Until Proven Guilty. America.


27 posted on 03/25/2012 6:11:08 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kaslin
Even though African Americans have experienced a lack of justice for far too long

Another blacks are not responsible for what they do guy...

28 posted on 03/25/2012 6:11:33 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: hal ogen

The Left wants Stalinesque Show Trials.


29 posted on 03/25/2012 6:12:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Kaslin
We know too little about Mr. Zimmerman’s state of mind before or during this tragic clash. Let's see: Zimmerman was on the ground with a 6'2" "kid" on top of him beating his face. He is heard on a 911 tape yelling for help. He was likely thinking: "If I can't get my gun out and shot this guy, he is going to kill me!"
30 posted on 03/25/2012 6:13:06 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: 240B

> tell me what race I am CNN. Come on. I’m waiting.

I’m not CNN, but I’m going to play as though I were.

You must be lily-white, regardless of your skin color, or you would not be posting in here, except as a troll, which, evidently, you are not.


31 posted on 03/25/2012 6:13:14 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: 240B

White hispanic usually refers to people with a hispanic background who are obviously white. It includes people of European heritage who are descended by a a Spanish-speaking culture. My very white wife, who is descended from Spanish Minorcans, is technically hispanic now. Since “Hispanic” refers to neither race nor nationality and now doesn’t even require you to speak spanish, I think the government did this to create a sub-category to exclude white people who are technically Hispanic from cashing in on the Hispanic giveaways and setasides.

To me, Zimmerman does not appear to be a “white hispanic”. But, in the Leftist Heirarchy of Victimhood, Hispanic on Black crime does not create the “right dialogue”, so the lighter-skinned of the two needs to be portrayed as white to set the narrative.


32 posted on 03/25/2012 6:15:07 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Altura Ct.

Even Richard Pryor said after meeting all the brothers in jail, “Thank God We Got Penitentiaries!”


33 posted on 03/25/2012 6:15:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Kaslin

This article is speculative horse hockey wrapped in a big dose of stereotypical, bigoted racism.

It looks as if they keep tripping on the facts, try to sweep them under the carpet and find that they stubbornly keep exonerating Zimmerman.

The only way this works for the TOTUS and the Tawana crowd is if they can intimidate the witnesses into telling it the way they want it not the way it happened.


34 posted on 03/25/2012 6:17:27 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Kaslin

Paul Jacob
1960

Contents

1 Draft resistance
2 Rise in the Libertarian Party
3 Political philosophy
4 Political targets
5 Titles
6 Prosecution by Drew Edmondson
7 See also
8 External links

Paul Jacob (1960 - ) is an activist, organizer,

His bio:

Draft resistance

Jacob first came to political prominence in the early 1980s as a draft registration resister. His crusade against forced military service and for the all-volunteer army was featured in Rolling Stone magazine. In 1985, after being convicted of violating the Selective Service Act, he served five months in federal prison, longer than any American draft resister since the Vietnam War.
Rise in the Libertarian Party

Jacob served on the National Committee of the Libertarian Party and then in 1987 and 1988 as the party’s national director. In 1988, he worked to put Ron Paul on the ballot for president as a Libertarian, winning ballot access in 47 states, the District of Columbia, and Guam.

See Libertarian Party ballot access.

Move on. Nothing more to see here...


35 posted on 03/25/2012 6:20:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: org.whodat

In all honesty, Zimmerman doesn’t need an attorney at this time. The person subject to Grand Jury review doesn’t have a legal representative at a Grand Jury. People wait for the Grand Jury to decide as to whether to indict them or not. If one is indicted by a Grand Jury, then you either hire an attorney or a public attorney is provided for your defense.


36 posted on 03/25/2012 6:22:41 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: hal ogen

Innocent Until Proven Guilty. America unless your white.The media has a real problem with white guilt znd they love riots.


37 posted on 03/25/2012 6:23:02 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: muir_redwoods
I maintain that if the half Hispanic Zimmerman is white, what color is our half white president?


Very good question! So if Hussien is just some average guy living in a neighborhood, and he shoots a Black guy, does that now make him a White-Black?

Hey! CNN! I got a question for you! Is the President Black or Black-White or White-Black?

Since you are making all the race determination rules, perhaps you could enlighten us.

How do we even know Zimmerman is half White? Is his parent White enough? We'll have to ask the CNN race determination squad to send us a list of their ‘Who is White and Who is Black’ rules.

38 posted on 03/25/2012 6:23:31 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

Then shouldn’t they always refer to Obama as a White Black?


39 posted on 03/25/2012 6:24:29 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: dewawi

He will get a public defender, but his step dad whatever father, the form judge, who has picked up after him for years, will cut a plea deal.


40 posted on 03/25/2012 6:30:07 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Westbrook
You must be lily-white, regardless of your skin color, or you would not be posting in here, except as a troll, which, evidently, you are not.

Not true at all. I know lots of people of many races, Korean, Hispanic, Black, Indian, and on and on, who are in many ways much more conservative than I am. However, they are automatically considered Liberals by the general public.

That is what Black vs. White and a two party system does. It breaks everything down to stark contrasts, when nuances are the more the norm of society.

The only time the color of your skin really matters is when you are dealing with the government. They are all about race over there.

Anyone can post on FR no questions asked, within the rules of the site and at the discretion of JR. How is anyone going to know what color you are. And who cares anyway?

41 posted on 03/25/2012 6:41:53 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Kaslin

It would be nice if we knew more about the victim, what he really looked like, how he acted ordinarily, whether he was a gang member, why he’d been suspended from school, had he ever been arrested and why, etc.. In the interests of truth, of course. But alas, that doesn’t seem to be on the agenda.


42 posted on 03/25/2012 6:43:55 AM PDT by hershey
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To: WorkingClassFilth

That interview has been around for a while, and is here:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4

He didn’t see the start, so the question of how the physical altercation started comes down to Zimmerman’s word.


43 posted on 03/25/2012 6:44:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dewawi
A person would be well-served to retain an attorney before testifying before a grand jury. The attorney may (usually) advise the person to cite his Fifth Amendment rights and refuse to testify, or may determine that the grand jury would be far less likely to hand down an indictment if the person testifies.
44 posted on 03/25/2012 6:53:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Graybeard58

That’s why I tend to use the terms Negro and Caucasian, helps dispel the confusion if the reference is to skin pigmentation.
Since my parents were both born in Sicily I have no doubt that there is a significant portion of African heritage in my genes and probably a touch of Negro.


45 posted on 03/25/2012 6:59:48 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: 240B

I didn’t think I’d need the /sarc tag, but apparently I did.

So, to my post in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2863546/posts?page=31#31, a great big /SARC


46 posted on 03/25/2012 7:02:37 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: 240B
Since you brought it up I have seen various government forms that break down the hispanic ethnic group into white and black. I think the US census does it... And most college admission forms, too. A side point is that many of these forms also state "check all that apply" when identifying your race. That can go way past the point of "usefulness" except maybe double-triple-or quadruple minorities can make the quota targets easier to hit.
47 posted on 03/25/2012 7:03:55 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: 240B
“White Hispanic”

Race = White
Ethnicity = Hispanic (spanish speaking)

Not telling any Freeper anything we don't already know:
the three races are Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.

IMHO, this is not an untrue comment by CNN or others.
Too much emphasis (PC) on these issues in the world today.
I prefer to look at the character of a person rather than race or ethnicity, or their actions versus their words.

48 posted on 03/25/2012 7:06:06 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: FreedomPoster
Zimmerman should have waited for the police, this is where he went wrong.

Pursuing the punk and placing yourself in the situation will cost Zimmerman in the end.

Reports of a witness testifying Zimmerman was being pummeled and bloodied will save Zimmerman from a murder charge. In this, he’z a lucky man.

They'll get him on some other gun related charge or involuntary manslaughter...something of this sort.

49 posted on 03/25/2012 7:08:01 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Kaslin
Geraldo Rivera shifted blame elsewhere: onto hoodies. “I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters, particularly, not to let their children go out wearing hoodies,” he said. “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as much as George Zimmerman was.”

The only reason why "Geraldo" said this was because the shooter was hispanic. Had he been white it would have been different. The guy is so damn racist and you can see it in all this reporting...hell, even by how he changed his name.
50 posted on 03/25/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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