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Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin
MSNBC ^ | March 25, 2012

Posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Steelfish

Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin

By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services

A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."

Zimmerman's lawyer, when shown part of the interview being aired Sunday night on Dateline, emphasized that his client would be claiming self-defense.

"I think there were efforts made to render aid to Trayvon," Craig Sonner told NBC's TODAY show.

Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."

Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police. "Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.

Sonner also reiterated what he had said in recent days, that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head.

A friend of Zimmerman's who appeared on TODAY with Sonner added that Zimmerman, 28, was distraught over the teen's death.

"Right after the shooting he couldn't stop crying," said Joe Oliver, who is African American and a former TV reporetr and anchor in Orlando.

Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting that has ignited racial tensions and raised questions about the Sanford police's handling of the case. Martin was black, and Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

In a separate interview Sunday, Oliver said that "I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.''

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.
1 posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:55 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Due Process clause?

Not applicable here, FRiend.

As for the victim helping the perp, why would anyone render aid to someone who they had to shoot in self defense?


2 posted on 03/25/2012 12:35:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Once you have the victim subdued, you cannot use deadly force.


3 posted on 03/25/2012 12:36:52 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.

If someone is on top of you, beating you towards unconsciousness, the attack is a deadly attack.
4 posted on 03/25/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: Steelfish

Oh, but it is considered race baiting to take up for an innocent black man, apparently.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 12:38:45 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: BenLurkin

Right this is not some Good old hallmark channel movie of the week I think i would have pop a cap in is ass just for extra measure


6 posted on 03/25/2012 12:38:57 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: WackySam

Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”

Contradicts your version, does it not?


7 posted on 03/25/2012 12:39:11 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: jacknhoo

And you’re sure he’s innocent...because?


8 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Steelfish
“The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.”

Good, I'll say so.

For all those people possessing perfect clairvoyant powers, the use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack is wrong.

For the rest of us, not possessing any superhuman powers of perception, if you find yourself on the ground being pummeled by a maniac, with absolutely no way to know what his ultimate intention is - blow the M_F_ away and let lawyers sort it out. Better to be defended by one than carried by six.

9 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Steelfish

I think expecting Zimmerman to give aid to Martin, under the circumstances, is unreasonable. Zimmerman was probably in a state of shock and he’s not a professional.

If I had been Zimmerman, it probably wouldn’t even have crossed my mind.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Steelfish

I’ve heard reports that Trayvon had Zimmerman pinned to the ground. I mean, how else could you explain the grass stains on the back of his shirt and the bloodied face?


11 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:32 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Steelfish

I heard the 911 call. Sounded to me like Zimmerman should have done what the dispatcher said.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 12:42:22 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: jacknhoo

Whenever race is injected to describe what appears to be an unconstitutional act of deadly force, where the color of the victim shouldn’t matter, it is race-baiting and like bees to honey, the Sharptons, Jacksons, and their backers come in to make political hay and use the occasions for fund raising and line their pockets in the process.


13 posted on 03/25/2012 12:43:22 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
From the article: "...Neighbors describe Zimmerman as a portly young man who walked casually through the neighborhood with his rottweiler and a gun...."

Really? Florida is not an open carry state, and Zimmerman would have been breaking the law to open display his weapon.

I don't believe a single word in the article. As far as I am concerned, if one part of it is rotten, it all stinks.

14 posted on 03/25/2012 12:44:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: jacknhoo

“Oh, but it is considered race baiting to take up for an innocent black man, apparently.”

Reading your posts in this thread and the other one sure make my blood pressure go up. Has nothing to do with race baiting or anything else except the facts. Lets have “all” the facts then pass judgment. I despise people who play the race card.


15 posted on 03/25/2012 12:45:08 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Steelfish
You have determined beyond a reasonable doubt that this incident was an unconstitutional act of deadly force?
16 posted on 03/25/2012 12:45:39 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Steelfish

Maybe if you’d have been there to tell Zimmerman that he was getting pummeled but it wouldn’t be a deadly pummeling the this could have been prevented.


17 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:08 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Steelfish

Conservatives be smart. Liberals want to draw us in and blame us. Respond by saying this is a Latino vs Black affair. They should resolve this with their political and legal forces. All non Latinos and non Blacks keep out of it. In other words, be the monkey on the rock watching two lions fight.


18 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:39 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Aria

“I heard the 911 call. Sounded to me like Zimmerman should have done what the dispatcher said.”

And the Japanese shouldn’t have bombed Pearl Harbor.


19 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: dfwgator
And you’re sure he’s innocent...because?

Let's be reasonable about this and let Al Sharpton decide.

20 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Steelfish

“Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”

My understanding (which is consistent with the use of the word “body”) is that the situation being described by Cutcher took place AFTER the shooting. A witness (”John”) described Martin being on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face prior to the shooting (consistent with Zimmerman’s facial wounds).


21 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: rlmorel

Constitution...Rule of Law...Due Process...Innocent Until Proven Guilty. America.


22 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Steelfish
Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”

Contradicts your version, does it not?


No, it doesn't. Where do they say he was shot while in this position? It makes total sense that he would be laying on his back after being shot and rolled off of the shooter. How do know that he wasn't trying to stop the bleeding?
23 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:53 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: Steelfish

Wasn’t Trayvon dead at this point? How do you help a dead man?


24 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:01 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

If someone has me pinned to the ground, already broken my nose, and is still pummeling me, I’ll do any and EVERYTHING to stop him.


25 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Steelfish
I watched her interview. I am not buying it. I smell a rat.

26 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:58 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Steelfish
Never tried to help? Maybe he was applying pressure to a wound. I dunno. Seems the beating had stopped, so he had no reason to (and there is no evidence he did) continue to use force of violence against Trayvon.

I imagine he's pretty high on adrenaline at this point. I have no idea what his skills and training are, as far as first aid in a life threatening trauma. Most people are taught to not move the person around, as that has a risk of aggravating injury.

27 posted on 03/25/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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“How do you help a dead man?”

If the stiff is Osama Bin Laden, you give him a quick burial at sea.


28 posted on 03/25/2012 12:50:43 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: WackySam

Why would Zimmerman be doing this to someone who is already dead?


29 posted on 03/25/2012 12:51:50 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Parley Baer

Ignore jacknhoo - it’s just stirring the pot for entertainment.


30 posted on 03/25/2012 12:52:40 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Steelfish

I guess no one has ever been beaten to death with fists?
Whether an attack is life threatening or not is dependent on the victims immediate thoughts and perceptions. So when is he allowed to shoot, before or after he goes unconcious, leaving him with no protection?

Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his vehicle, but that doesnt mean he should be beaten to a pulp or worse.

Spend a couple of nights in the hood without a weapon and report back to me...if you can.....

Do you think Zimmerman can get an impartial jury and a fair trial now?


31 posted on 03/25/2012 12:52:53 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: BenLurkin

Yep! Help the Perp? No way I will help the Perp! Unless he is in my house bleeding out on the carpet. Then I am headed toward the shower curtain to try and get him on it and off my carpet!

“Officer all I was trying to do was get him onto something where my wife and I could handle him to get him into my car so we could get him quickly to the ER. But darn he died!”


32 posted on 03/25/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rlmorel

I think you might be right, r.


33 posted on 03/25/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: rlmorel

They have had plenty of time by now to cook up any story they want....there will, no doubt, be more.


34 posted on 03/25/2012 12:53:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

hehehehe!


35 posted on 03/25/2012 12:54:55 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: hal ogen
Yeah. It used to be. How things have changed. There is no rule of law, the law is what some people want it to be on any given day. Contracts mean nothing anymore. A man's word means nothing to many people.

Legislators openly disregard the Constitution with no ramifications.

I took an oath once that had the following verbiage about defending the Constitution: "...enemies foreign and domestic..."

36 posted on 03/25/2012 12:56:23 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: WackySam
You cannot start a fight and then claim stand your ground, so says, the man who authored the law and the governor that signed the law and everyone that voted for the law that has been ask. Zimmerman started a fight and then murdered the kid.
37 posted on 03/25/2012 12:56:32 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Steelfish
Non-Deadly attack? Are you insane? You can easily kill a person with your bare hands. I still don't know the whole story and neither does anyone else, IMO, so your assertion is absurd at this point.

Hopefully, all will become clear in the near future.

38 posted on 03/25/2012 12:57:13 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

39 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:07 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: org.whodat
Prove it.

Were you there? If not, your assertion is based upon here-say and is irrelevant.

When the facts finally all come to light, perhaps you will be correct, but at this point in time you are being prejudicial towards Zimmerman out of ignorance, IMO.

40 posted on 03/25/2012 1:00:22 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Wouldn’t a deadly attack by definition have to result in death, and isn’t that a little late to be decided on the nature of the attack?


41 posted on 03/25/2012 1:00:53 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Steelfish

What with all the yammering and screaming, I don’t know what the truth is anymore:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-witness-claims-trayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman/


42 posted on 03/25/2012 1:01:24 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Santorum in the primary, Anyone But Obama in November !!!)
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To: Aria

“I heard the 911 call. Sounded to me like Zimmerman should have done what the dispatcher said.”

George Zimmerman is a Captain in the local Neighborhood Watch and as an offIcial officer he does not and should not take orders from a clerk answering phone calls at 911, Especially, when Zimmerman found himself being stalked by a scary man in a hoodie.


43 posted on 03/25/2012 1:01:56 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: trappedincanuckistan

deciding


44 posted on 03/25/2012 1:02:10 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Steelfish

Martin was subdued because deadly force had been used to repel his potentially lethal attack. Martin wasn’t shot after Zimmerman was able to get up.


45 posted on 03/25/2012 1:03:48 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: org.whodat

org.whodat, you know that the physical fight was started by Zimmerman, then? Can you provide some evidence on that for those of us who don’t know?


46 posted on 03/25/2012 1:04:38 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Steelfish

Since Martin was already shot, the best thing Zimmerman could do was to leave him alone until qualified medical help arrived.


47 posted on 03/25/2012 1:04:49 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Pox

Prove what, that is what they have all said, and when you have a real authorized community watch group, their rules say you cannot carry a weapon and you cannot approach anyone, you can only watch from a distance. Zimmerman had no legal authorization to approach and start and altercation with anyone. And knock off the personal crap.


48 posted on 03/25/2012 1:05:36 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: All
On thing you can be sure of is that once Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the lawyers arrive the witness will be coached, their testimony will change from what they originally told the police, they will suddenly remember new details; whatever it takes to further those promoting racial hatred false narrative.
It has happened over again and over again in virtually every high profile racially charged case.
You can also be 100% guaranteed that no matter how dishonest, unbelievable, uncredible the new story is; the press will treat it as if it is the gospel truth and you are a racist. if you don't accept it.
49 posted on 03/25/2012 1:07:53 PM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: org.whodat

You mean Martin started the fight, not Zimmerman.


50 posted on 03/25/2012 1:08:40 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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