Posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Steelfish
Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin
By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services
A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
Zimmerman's lawyer, when shown part of the interview being aired Sunday night on Dateline, emphasized that his client would be claiming self-defense.
"I think there were efforts made to render aid to Trayvon," Craig Sonner told NBC's TODAY show.
Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."
Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police. "Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.
Sonner also reiterated what he had said in recent days, that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head.
A friend of Zimmerman's who appeared on TODAY with Sonner added that Zimmerman, 28, was distraught over the teen's death.
"Right after the shooting he couldn't stop crying," said Joe Oliver, who is African American and a former TV reporetr and anchor in Orlando.
Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting that has ignited racial tensions and raised questions about the Sanford police's handling of the case. Martin was black, and Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
In a separate interview Sunday, Oliver said that "I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.''
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You're quoting MARTIN'S GIRLFRIEND? LOL, and how exactly have you determined that she isn't lying? And what about Zimmerman merely hanging up and walking back to his car while Martin stalked him and beat him until his phone went dead along with HIM for attacking Zimmerman? You make things up out of the whole cloth!
Zimmerman wasn't protected under any law but pure-self defense, because he was being beaten to death. YOU are the one who keeps bringing up irrelevent quotes about inapplicable laws, as you try to confuse the issue.
And as for claiming to be a Marine, try YOUR post #75 in THIS THREAD, LIAR, where YOU wrote:
Ever play football, I have knock down many people much bigger than me, and one minute I would be on top and the next I would be on the bottom. But then as an exmarine, I know you were joking.
75 posted on March 25, 2012 1:31:38 PM PDT by org.whodat
'Reasonable' in the eyes of the jury. Not "reasonable" in the mind of...George Zimmerman...
Uh, what?
I can't get that corroborating witness out of my mind. You?
I think the whole thing is reprehensible. Both sides were in the wrong to some extent, no doubt. But throwing gasoline on the situation after the fact (as some want to do to gain personal advantage, not anybody here at FR) is only going to create new wounds and more damage.
I started out thinking like you, but when I heard more, I suspended many of my judgments.
Fool, the guy I was replying to is the former marine. Damn you cannot read.
Zimmerman noticed potential trouble and called it into the police.
Then he was attacked by Martin, who tried to beat him to death.
And you know it.
I suggest everyone hold judgement til the facts are in and a trial is commenced.
Tragic, just tragic.
FLORIDA STATUTE 709.113 - Looking for Trouble -
(1) Whoever looks for trouble in this state shall be guilty of a capitol offense, and shall be summarily convicted by dmzTahoe and the MSM (as codified in the MSNBC Operating Manual).
Wow. I guess you're on to something.
I suggest everyone hold judgement til the facts are in and a trial is commenced.
Your hypocrisy is tawdry in it's obviousness.
Your protection of a thug who was killed trying to beat an innocent person to death is revolting.
Your attempts to start a race war based on hateful lies is evil.
After he got out of his car and followed the kid, against the response from the 911 dispatcher. He went looking for trouble, and he found it.
I do not reply to idiots,
If he was returning to his car and was jumped by the deceased, then there is no doubt Mr. Zimmerman was well within his rights to defend himself the way he did. Period.
If no proof can be obtained that Mr. Zimmerman instigated the attack upon himself, he should have nothing to worry about aside from a vindictive government bent upon incarcerating him to appease those squealing for “justice”.
Believe me, I understand what you're saying, but no indications have been presented, at this point, that Mr. Zimmerman actually instigated the attack upon himself.
How about I speculate some like so many have on this board.
Perhaps his girlfriend goaded him into attacking Mr. Zimmerman whilst they were talking on the phone... It certainly wouldn't be any more implausible than the scenarios I've seen from many on this forum already convicting Mr. Zimmerman of Murder or Manslaughter.
Again: What “stuff” am I “making up”? Be specific.
And Martin's estate, if it was able to sue under FL law, would not get to self-define "reasonable" for Martin's actions (punching Zimmerman) either.
Didn’t say he was guilty, sport. Just said he was looking for trouble.
“What was he the cleaning boy, he had liens against him from Capitol one in 2008, when he was fired and /or walked off his job at karmax. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017819414.html “
It doesn’t make what you posted not a lie. Nice try at deflection.
He got out of his car to keep an eye on a 6'3" football-player muscular young man, while specifically NOT being a hero or wannabe-cop by calling in his situation to he police, and then following their suggestion (NOT any command) that further visual observation was unnecessary and walking back to his car.
Martin, however, ran away and then, on his own and unprovoked, circled back around and jumped Zimmerman and tried to beat him into severe injury or death, and was shot dead for his efforts.
So it is clear that it is Martin who, in fact, went looking for trouble and found it.
What is happening now to Zimmerman is due to people like you and Obama, who are inciting race war and judgement against all the known facts and the police report, without trial, in obvious racial prejudice against Zimmerman, as complete hypocrites, thereby endangering Zimmerman's life.
In other words, you're a liberal, and like all liberals, you believe anyone who disagrees with your agenda has "chosen death."
You don't reply at all - you read scripts, and then go home at the end of your shift.
No one’s moving goalposts here. Before you go running around questioning people’s credibility, you need to be informed or better yet spend some serious time reading relevant case law or have someone explain it to you. The whole point of my post was that unless one believes he is in danger of life or limb, the use of deadly force is unconstitutional when used by police, and subjects private individuals to wrongful death action. The Garner case illustrates this very well. When someone is FLEEING from you its an oxymoron to say that you are in danger of life or limb. This is not only elementary law, it is axiomatic fact.
Then what's it got to do with anything?
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