Posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Steelfish
Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin
By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services
A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
Zimmerman's lawyer, when shown part of the interview being aired Sunday night on Dateline, emphasized that his client would be claiming self-defense.
"I think there were efforts made to render aid to Trayvon," Craig Sonner told NBC's TODAY show.
Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."
Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police. "Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.
Sonner also reiterated what he had said in recent days, that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head.
A friend of Zimmerman's who appeared on TODAY with Sonner added that Zimmerman, 28, was distraught over the teen's death.
"Right after the shooting he couldn't stop crying," said Joe Oliver, who is African American and a former TV reporetr and anchor in Orlando.
Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting that has ignited racial tensions and raised questions about the Sanford police's handling of the case. Martin was black, and Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
In a separate interview Sunday, Oliver said that "I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.''
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No deflection, it was the report I read and the one I still believe.
How close was he 'following someone?' You can speak from a distance. If you - a stranger - are following me after I try to avoid you and get you up to close contact distance (ie reach) with clear notice that you are not to do that, I'm assuming you have bad intentions and will act accordingly. I'm not waiting for you to hit me.
And I thought last you said Zimmerman callled from IN his car. (And of course, it was nothing like the other 40+ plus calls he made to 911 ranging from barking dogs to open garage doors).
Now you say he was already out and following him.
And, you must have inside knowledge... tell us, Monk, what route did he take to circle around and jump him... surely you can draw a map.
And beat him to severe injury or death??? Well, if Martin was the big, strong brute you claim, Zimmerman would have been beaten senseless in 4-5 punches. Zimmerman would not have been able to scream as loud or long as a witness stated.
For all we know, Zimmerman had his gun drawn well searching for Martin
So why not cool down and wait?
And, when all else fails, call someone a liberal.
Well, which, between "the police may not kill an unarmed fleeing felon," and "you may not kill a fleeing felon," and "the police may only kill a fleeing felon if the fleeing felon poses a risk to the police" do you want to discuss?
-- you need to be informed or better yet spend some serious time reading relevant case law or have someone explain it to you. --
I've accused you of being careless. Here is what the Garner case says:
Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force. Thus, if the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where [471 U.S. 1, 12] feasible, some warning has been given. As applied in such circumstances, the Tennessee statute would pass constitutional muster.
Notice too, this is a reference to a suspect, not necessarily a known felon, and the threshold is probable cause.
-- When someone is FLEEING from you its an oxymoron to say that you are in danger of life or limb. This is not only elementary law, it is axiomatic fact. --
You are misrepresenting the Garner case. Others can read it and judge your credibility for themselves, but I think you've hosed your credibility with your own words.
I can't believe the people HERE that are displaying the lynch-mob mentality of condemning a man of MURDER before they know any damning facts or before the man has been able to SPEAK for himself.
It's a sorry, backwards-thinking society that we live in today...and it's SCARY.
I see zombies....
This guy was a loose cannon. You gotta know your limits. He didn’t, refused to wait and went looking for trouble. Doesn’t mean he did or didn’t shoot in self defense. just means he could have/should have avoided the outcome.
Cereal, baby, lemme tell ya from experience in a big city. A young man being followed by someone who is of male persuasion is likely to be followed by a queer, as I have been multiple times (my mother made a pretty boy, not my fault) in my distant youth and even in middle age. I punched one out, but others, following old advice, I didn’t lead to my house, which is what I suspect Martin was trying to do. One fag did find a way to my apartment once, and then spent months scowling under the window, I kid you not. I never called 911.
My theory is that Martin thought he was being followed by a fag, and decided to teach him a lesson, which would earn him street cred points. Young black males are particularly sensitive and prejudiced against homosexuals, which we on this forum and elsewhere kindly and stupidly refer to as being ‘gay’.
I also don't give a rat's butt what Doctor what's his face thinks.
And trouble found him and he took care of it. Fair enough?
In all instances it was a reference to a FLEEING felon. First read the whole case and then you’d understand my point instead of plucking quotes and breezily accusing people of carelessness and hosing their credibility. This kind of rhetoric is something that can be easily tossed around just as one can empty that credibility pail on your self after throwing out a statutory provision that was not in point. The touchstone for the use of deadly force is (and this from your own quote): “there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape.” Emphatically, that was not the scenario I was referring to. But having dug a hole, you are now trying to twist things around and shoehorn scenarios to accommodate a FLEEING felon or suspect and one who actually has threatened serious imminent harm or someone who is armed and dangerous as a means of justifying credibility for your assertions.
Yeah, walking down the sidewalk at 6:30PM carrying a bag of Skittles and a soda can is big trouble. Zimmerman went looking for trouble... and was eager to find it (manufacture it).
From the very article you cited:
“It’s unclear how Zimmerman was employed when he encountered Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26.”
That’s quite a bit different from the lie you posted that he was unemployed. It was unclear to the reporter. That doesn’t mean he was unemployed. I’d really love to see you get the zot for the twists, lies, diflections, etc. you done on this thread. Is the pay good?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2863836/posts
Hot off the press.
Looks like the angel baby was suspended for assaulting a bus driver.
I’ve been followed by a couple fags in my younger college days. All I wanted to do was get away from them. Never thought of ‘punishing’ them for their sexual orientation. Thanks for the input. I think the whole thing is very unfortunate.
“Zimmerman went looking for trouble... and was eager to find it (manufacture it).”
If Zimmerman was looking for trouble why call the police? Why not just pull up alongside Martin, and confront him?
I have a hard time imagining somebody who could take me down except by surprise, but if he did and I had a gun, I’d probably use it, especially if my nose was broken. And so would you. Do you deny that?
All part of playing "cop"... calling in a "crime" to dispatch... just like his other 40 plus times.
The question is whether or not Zimmerman acted as a reasonable man would act. If the state has probable cause that he did not, they will charge him, and a jury will make the ultimate decision.
If Martin knew the cops were coming and he was continuing to whale on Zimmerman anyway, wouldn’t that sort of show he was temporarily insane?
I'd just do the right and human and fun thing and...just eat and share my yummy snacks.
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