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Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin
MSNBC ^ | March 25, 2012

Posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: pops88

Stop making stupid statements.


551 posted on 03/26/2012 6:11:15 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: csense

If you cut the eye holes in your sheet a little bigger, maybe you will be able to determine who posted what, that is if you can read.


552 posted on 03/26/2012 6:13:31 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

“Stop making stupid statements.”

LOL. You first, troll. You still haven’t answered the question about how much you’re being paid. Where’s a Viking Kitty when you need one....


553 posted on 03/26/2012 6:28:44 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: org.whodat
Multiple addresses too complicated for you to follow? Or did the pronouns confuse you. Whichever it was, it's consistent with your confused state of mind, and a rather childish one at that considering your allusion to the KKK.

Know this my friend, someday we will all stand before God, and at least with this specific issue, I know I will not hang my head in shame...

554 posted on 03/26/2012 6:33:11 AM PDT by csense
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To: org.whodat

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555 posted on 03/26/2012 8:19:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: Alice in Wonderland

The fact remains that most, if not all of the crime wave in the neighborhood was being committed by Blacks and Zimmerman did nothing wrong. He was justified in talking to the young man, and the young man responded by beating Zimmerman’s face in.

People use concealed carry for the purpose of defending themselves. It is legal in Florida.

Heck, maybe Zimmerman was just following Obama’s advice, “if they bring a knife, we bring, gun.” Remember, the attacker was much bigger, stronger and quicker than Zimmerman and he was sitting on him, beating his face in.


556 posted on 03/26/2012 8:19:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: little jeremiah

Your second link, questioning if Martin delt drugs, says it’s no longer available. Much of this is going to get scrubbed I’m afraid. There are those who do not want anything said or seen of Martin other than what the media is attempting to protray him as.

On Martin’s 10 day suspension....no doubt something more serious than what’s being shown...in addition the fact they shipped him out afterwards does raise questions.


557 posted on 03/26/2012 8:35:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: carriage_hill
No. Official proceedings are testimonial. Under Florida law it is defined as: (1) "Official proceeding" means a proceeding heard, or which may be or is required to be heard, before any legislative, judicial, administrative, or other governmental agency or official authorized to take evidence under oath Emphasis on the oath part is mine. There are other laws dealing with lying to cops which is illegal. Those are misdemeanors unless it is a capital offense. Perjury under oath is a felony.

837.055 False information to law enforcement during investigation.

837.05 False reports to law enforcement authorities.
Both Misdemeanors.


558 posted on 03/26/2012 8:36:53 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: carriage_hill
Sorry. Try again. Part of the definition was cut off.

(1) "Official proceeding" means a proceeding heard, or which may be or is required to be heard, before any legislative, judicial, administrative, or other governmental agency or official authorized to take evidence under oath, including any referee, general or special magistrate, administrative law judge, hearing officer, hearing examiner, commissioner, notary, or other person taking testimony or a deposition in connection with any such proceeding.

559 posted on 03/26/2012 8:42:27 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Darren McCarty

Thanks for clearing that up. I’ll let the posters who claimed it was a felony, know, DM.


560 posted on 03/26/2012 8:43:33 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Darren McCarty
I'll need to see a better source

Name one that hasn't already spun this happening. I don't believe there will be a source telling it like it really is, as we've seen already there's a push to convict Zimmerman before there's even a hearing of any sort. Not to mention the sources which will surely be "careful" politically now that Obama and the Governor are in play.

Look how the media has operated in this election...they've all but taken Newt out of being heard at all. As one source stated .."We can't have a Newt/Obama debate". So there's no reason to eliminate the less popular sites. Which just might be those who do have some resemblance of the truth.

561 posted on 03/26/2012 8:46:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: Eva
The fact remains that most, if not all of the crime wave in the neighborhood was being committed by Blacks and Zimmerman did nothing wrong.

Would that be racial profiling? What was Martin doing wrong ... looking at the houses as he walked by them?

He was justified in talking to the young man, and the young man responded by beating Zimmerman’s face in.

Did he identify himself as the community watchman? A bloodied nose and laceration on the back of a head is beating a face in?

People use concealed carry for the purpose of defending themselves. It is legal in Florida.

Yes, it is. The last time I used mine was to kill a rattlesnake ... the slithering kind.

Heck, maybe Zimmerman was just following Obama’s advice, “if they bring a knife, we bring, gun.” Remember, the attacker was much bigger, stronger and quicker than Zimmerman and he was sitting on him, beating his face in.

On this board Martin has been described as 6'/140# ... 6'2"/160# ... 6'4"/200#. Which is it? Again, beating his face in?

Many here contend/speculate, but claim as fact, that Martin laid in wait and jumped on Zimmerman from behind. Were they there? How did he land face up in the grass? What caused the laceration to the back of his head? Did Martin use the can of iced tea that was found by the police in his pocket or was it the bag of skittles? Why didn't Zimmerman seek medical attention after his face was beaten in?

There have been two reports that Zimmerman pushed people in the past (an LEO and an ex-girlfriend). Could it be that when he caught up with Martin they were face-to-face and when he asked Martin what he was doing there, that maybe, just maybe, he shoved him also. That is his established pattern. Could it be that Martin shoved back, causing Zimmerman to fall backwards, cutting the back of his head?

562 posted on 03/26/2012 9:03:02 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Post Toasties
The real problem is this is all getting framed by an untrustworthy media and pushed by political motives as well. The Gov. has no business speaking out that he will put his “power” of the law behind the family as he did. And Obama and others should not have spoken out as they did.

In doing so all the activists are now clamoring for Zimmermans arrest and have convicted him already, without the evidence being known.

The “displays” and “shows” happening make it impossible for Zimmerman to ever get a fair trial IF there's even enough evidence to try him....and that remains to be seen.

Unfortunately the Prosecutor can present evidence in a grand Jury which would not be allowed in a Jury trial. So there's much we will never know about.

As for those here on FR sold on Zimmermans guilt. Well you just have to remember they're likely biased for whatever reasons. They do not have the facts to go by, only speculative stories and assumptions.....

But legally Zimmerman is innocent until they can prove otherwise. Myself, I have not seen anything factual to convince me that Zimmerman is not telling the truth of what happened.

I still find it interesting that Marin's mother said in the very beginning of this happening that her son "Was sitting on the porch when he was shot". So was she herself attempting to cover for her son?

563 posted on 03/26/2012 9:03:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
And those here on FR sold on Zimmermans Martin's guilt. Well you just have to remember they're likely biased for whatever reasons. They do not have the facts to go by, only speculative stories and assumptions.....
564 posted on 03/26/2012 9:10:56 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Pretty amazing contrast to the otherwise picture the media and others are trying to portray of Martin isn't it?

Already they are trying to scrub the net of information which would show him in any other light then just a normal high school kid. Even his "hoodie" photo was doctored making him lighter and his eyebrows were even thinned.

At any rate the truth will be very difficult to be seen amongst all the information being spun, eliminated and or framed to "create" the story people want to be seen.

For me, Zimmermans innocent until they've proved otherwise. Unfortunately because of the Obama media press , Governors and other organizations hounding for "justice", as if Zimmermans already been to trial, I doubt his trial, if they have one, will ever reveal the truth.....

565 posted on 03/26/2012 9:17:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Preferably primary sources instead of some insinuation by this wagist clown saying that he's a drug dealer out at 3am when the shooting happened at 6:17. That's no different than Al Sharpton or New Black Panther stuff.

Primary sources are forensic results, business documents, phone calls, 1sthand information. Secondary sources are media, blogs, secondhand information.

Until some of the forensic results are released, everything is speculation. The only facts are as follows.

1. Zimmerman called and thought Martin was suspicious.
2. Zimmerman followed Martin and got out of his car.
3. At some point they were in close contact range and there was a physical confrontation.
4. Zimmerman had a wound on his nose and his head. That does NOT mean he was jumped or that he was hit in the back of his head - being passed as fact by some people.
5. At some point Martin was shot and killed.
6. Police arrived around 6:17 and conducted a manslaughter investigation. Zimmerman was cuffed, detained, and taken to the station. He was later released.
7. Investigation is ongoing. At this time, either there is no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, or the DA/Police don't think they can get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. That could change when more facts are in.

566 posted on 03/26/2012 9:17:47 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: AnalogReigns
I swear if I were Zimmerman, I’d figure out a way to flee the country.

I'm sure even the authorities have considered this.....too many want him out of the picture with the "Mass group think" happening throughout the nation.

567 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: Miss Behave
I can't believe the people HERE that are displaying the lynch-mob mentality of condemning a man of MURDER before they know any damning facts or before the man has been able to SPEAK for himself. ......It's a sorry, backwards-thinking society that we live in today...and it's SCARY.

All need to ask.......if they were in danger do they really believe anyone would step up to help? IMO we are all on our own. We are in a society that watches crimes as if they're in front of a TV waiting for the hero to arrive.

Chiling is to hear Zimmermans cries for help....over and over again....in the 911 calls. What were people thinking? Did they not consider how long it takes police to arrive on a scene and that someones life may very well be in danger? Nope, they all said they weren't going out there.

We area "scared" society and far too dependant on a police force whose hands we have tied from doing their job....no thanks to attorneys and the media.

568 posted on 03/26/2012 9:39:13 AM PDT by caww
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To: Post Toasties
wouldn’t that sort of show he was temporarily insane?

Released rage does not insanity make. IMO.

569 posted on 03/26/2012 9:41:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: Miss Behave

Martin had a cell phone....so why didn’t he call 911? He could have done so at any time.

Remember when Z was on the phone calling this in Martin approached him...it’s on the recording.... Then darted when he saw Z was on the phone.

Further the dispatcher asked about the nationality/color if you will, and Zimmerman said he didn’t know. So if this was a race issue for Zimmerman he would have made a point to determine that......

The race issue is fully being driven by Obama, his media pimps and the organizations the Obamamachine chooses to use. The black community should be standing against this rather then doing the water carrying they’ve been taught to do.....Obama, Sharpton, Jesse, Farrakan say jump...and the rest follow saying how high. My black friends are saying just that.


570 posted on 03/26/2012 9:54:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Nice try Alice.....but that’s a not.

Legally Zimmerman is an innocent man until otherwise proven. I believe his story and the “evidence” which so far is known supports his story.

Not to mention certain witnesses are retracting their initial statements....and ‘documenting’ they support Zimmermans story.... That blonde pixied gal for one, who probably just wanted to be “in the movies” from the get go. They have her written statement she supports Zimmerman’s story.


571 posted on 03/26/2012 10:05:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: Darren McCarty
Until some of the forensic results are released, everything is speculation

Yes, but how those are going to be presented will make a difference.

An example...in the "facts" you presented you stated Zimmerman had a "wound" to the nose. When it's been presented his nose was 'broken'. So which is it?

So you see this whole affair is going to be spun by legal teams from both sides .....the truth more than likely will be lost somewhere in between and it will be all about which legal team "wins"....not that justice might be served...if indeed it goes to trial.

572 posted on 03/26/2012 10:11:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“For me, Zimmermans innocent until they’ve proved otherwise”

What evidence we have, explains why the cops didn’t arrest him. Some of the excuses, and wild stories I have seen posted here are, to say the least, mystifying.There are a few bald-faced lying trolls, too : )


573 posted on 03/26/2012 11:00:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

[[President Barack Obama weighed in on the “tragedy” of Trayvon Martin’s death last week, saying it is “absolutely imperative” that all levels of government investigate “every aspect” of how the unarmed boy was shot.]]

Hmmm- Ya mean obama’s son wouldn’t look like hte white 13 year old boy who was hunted down bty several older black teens, and doused with gasoline, and set on fire? And Obama doesn’t deem it nearly as ‘imperative’ to ‘investigate every aspect’ of that obviously blatant racist attack on the white teen? It’s obvious to EVERYONE but raqcist black people how Trevon was shot- he was shot by a man fearing his head was abotu to explode o nthe concrete sidewalk because this trevon was smashing his head agaisnt it- and it’s now obvious to everyone that Trevon initiated the fight by cold-cocking zimmerman as zimmerman was goign back to his car-

Just because someone is following a person, it doesn’t give that person the right to assault the follower- Trevon commited a crime by assaulting zimmerman- but the media is silent about thagt crime- Zimmerman had every right to follow someone he thought was acting suspicious in a neighborhood that had been repeatedly burglarized- Trevon did NOT have the right to turn around and assault zimmerman nor to bash his head agaisnt hte3 sidewalk so badly that zimmerman felt his only recourse at self defense was to shoot hte boy

E N O U G H with this bull shit racist accusations about zimmerman- Trevon commited a crime first on zimmerman, and it was so severe and so violent that it led to a trajic death that coudl have been avoided had trevon OBEYED the law and not attacked zimmerman as zimmerman was leaving the scene- Hell- Zimmerman didn’t even fire on the kid and tried to call for help REPEATEDLY but per usual- NOONE came to his aid- ONLY THEN did zimmerman pull his gun and fire!

UIF anyoen has ANY evidence to the cotnrary- present it- if not- please, enough with hte bullshit accusations abotu racism


574 posted on 03/27/2012 1:43:27 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

“Hell- Zimmerman didn’t even fire on the kid and tried to call for help REPEATEDLY but per usual- NOONE came to his aid- ONLY THEN did zimmerman pull his gun and fire!”

Sadly, they will convene a grand jury, and probably indict Zimmerman, due to Sharpton, Black Panthers(who should be in jail)and media outcry.


575 posted on 03/27/2012 1:50:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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