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‘Stand Your Ground’ laws must be reviewed: Sen. Chuck Schumer
nydailynews.com ^ | March 25, 2012 | Alison Gendar

Posted on 03/25/2012 12:42:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The Justice Department should look into the “Stand Your Ground” laws that kept Florida police from arresting the man who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, New York’s senior senator said Sunday.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) said he wrote the Justice Department asking them to expand their review of Martin’s death to include the impact of Florida’s and other states “Stand Your Ground” Laws.

“Stand Your Ground laws is a whole new concept,” Schumer told CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “Some people call it shoot first, ask questions later,” he said.

The laws generally grant immunity to anyone who uses deadly force, inside or outside of his home, if the shooter can reasonably claim he was defending himself.

“The laws all passed very, very quickly and I think the states who passed them, if they find the real facts, may decide to repeal them,” Schumer said, noting a survey of 13 cases by the Florida Sun-Sentinel that found 12 of the victims had not been armed.

Florida was the first of 21 states to pass such laws since 2005. The Sunshine State’s version allows police on the scene to decide whether they believe a shooter’s claims of self-defense.

In Trayvon Martin’s case, police have said they did the right thing by not charging 28-year-old George Zimmerman, a member of a citizens' watch, with the shooting.

Court-watchers say in other cases, cops make an arrest and then let the courts figure out if the use of deadly force was legally justified.

Schumer said he wants Justice officials to see whether these new laws “actually increase violence rather than decrease violence, and whether they actually prevent law enforcement from prosecuting cases where real crime has been committed.”

Zimmerman told police Martin attacked him after he had given up chasing the boy and he was returning to his truck. He had a bloody nose and blood on the back of his head, according to police.

Martin's family doubt Zimmerman's story and argue if the shooter was black there is no doubt he would have been arrested.


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1 posted on 03/25/2012 12:42:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

FU SMUCKIE!


2 posted on 03/25/2012 12:44:26 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: All

Run for office in Florida and then you may have someting to say. Until then...Chuck you Schmuckie!a


3 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:29 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If someone is trying to hurt/kill you, just stand there and let them.

Now why don’t you go pay your taxes? Your government is broke. :)


4 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:05 PM PDT by Tzimisce (this sucks)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“Some people call it shoot first, ask questions later,”

Strawman argument Chucky, tell us exactly who "some people" are Chucky. I'll bet they all have a (D) after their name.

5 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:48 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The criminal picks the time, place, victim, mode of attack, and the goal of the attack. The only thing the victim has going for him or her is a law that really does permit us to “shoot first, ask questions later”. FU Chuck!


6 posted on 03/25/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chuck Schumer should be reviewed, then expelled from the Senate. A brief and successful trial for treason should follow.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 12:49:38 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, it sure makes me happy and relieved to hear that Chuck Schumer has weighed in on this. (sarcasm)


8 posted on 03/25/2012 12:49:58 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Demagogues chasing power and wealth were among the great fears of our Framers.


9 posted on 03/25/2012 12:51:35 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sen. Chuck Schumer is really Village Idiot Chuck Schumer.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 12:53:02 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"Well, it sure makes me happy and relieved to hear that Chuck Schumer has weighed in on this. (sarcasm)"

I just can't wait to hear Maxine Waters' comments.

11 posted on 03/25/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“Some people call it shoot first, ask questions later,” he said.

Ah yes, the "some people" standard.

But two can play that game:

Some people call Chuck Shumer a dangerous idiot, a Communist shill, and an America-hating stooge.

12 posted on 03/25/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Trayvon Martin was only 17 so he was unable to purchase the gun that would have enabled him to stand his ground against George Zimmerman.


13 posted on 03/25/2012 12:56:59 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What a prize the dummycrats are giving the Republican this election! Dummycrats please continue your attack on law abiding Americans and their Constitutionally protected firearm rights!

Dummycrats have lost every gun rights argument to date and will continue to lose on this issue.

Sen. Stupid keep up your attacks, pleeeeeeeeeese!

14 posted on 03/25/2012 12:58:00 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: Jacquerie
Demagogues chasing power and wealth were among the great fears of our Framers.

Has Schumer done his job as a true statesman the way the US Senate is supposed to do yet and take care of the customers layaway issues at WalMart?

Chuck U Schumer!

15 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:00 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Stand Your Ground laws is a whole new concept,” Schumer told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

Mr Shumer you sir are an idiot.
If you think that the people that founded this Nation retreated when attacked you need to go back to school.
Self defense is not a new concept.


16 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:00 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
"Chuck U" speaks. Cold-blooded opportunist. As if he gave a tinker's damn about the safety of "the people".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:34 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

putz


18 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:37 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Tzimisce

What he wants you to do is run away. He likes a nation of ninnies and cowards, because they will vote for a Nanny State to take care of them, and they will vote for people like him.


19 posted on 03/25/2012 1:00:26 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: FewsOrange

MARTIN COULD HAVE BOUGHT A WEAPON ILLEGALLY A LOT EASIER THAN IT IS TO BUY ONE LEGALLY.


20 posted on 03/25/2012 1:01:46 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dems can't take guns away from citizens, so they're trying something new: black mobs.

Police reports don't count.

Run the sheriff out of town if he doesn't agree with the mob.

Don't need no judge, jury, rule of law - just Jesse Jackson, Sharpton and the Black Panthers offering money for capture.

Is it ‘Dead or Alive’ yet - or is that next week?

FU Shumer.

21 posted on 03/25/2012 1:03:05 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Two sad things will come out of this case:

1. anti-gun folks will want to get rid of the stand your ground law.

2. pro-gun folks (of which I include myself), in defending “stand your ground”, will feel the need to defend Zimmerman. I think that may be a mistake. I think Zimmerman was actually advancing on the kid, and even the 911 dispatcher told him not to. I just hope that Florida law enforcement takes a closer look at Zimmerman’s claims.

Imagine yourself as a teenager walking home at night, and seeing some guy following you in his car. He continues to follow you even as you start running. The kids probably thinking Zimmerman’s a child molester trying to get him into his car, perhaps if Zimmerman catches up to him, he fights back. Then Zimmerman uses that as he justification for shooting the kid. This is as equally plausible as Zimmerman’s story. Unfortunately, both sides may have political motivation for attacking or defending what happened.


22 posted on 03/25/2012 1:03:12 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Zeppo
Some people call Chuck Shumer a dangerous idiot, a Communist shill, and an America-hating stooge.

And then there is some people who lie about him.

23 posted on 03/25/2012 1:03:28 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Schumer should pay attention to his own state...The RIT stabbing in rural Rochester...but that was black on black...and obviously the kid that got off knew somebody.

IIRC, the judge had discretion in the matter. Almost the same scenario except the guy that stabbed the other guy to death had an illegal knife. He wasn't even charged for that.

You can google the case. It was disgusting.

24 posted on 03/25/2012 1:03:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Seriously, Chuckie doesn’t believe Martin had a right to defend himself against what he CORRECTLY perceived to be a threat against his life.


25 posted on 03/25/2012 1:06:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chuckie, you might want to check what law was actually involved before you open your mouth and make ignorant statements. This had nothing to do with Stand Your Ground, but with justifiable self defence-

According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use
of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.


26 posted on 03/25/2012 1:07:03 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick over 50)
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To: FewsOrange
"Trayvon Martin was only 17 so he was unable to purchase the gun that would have enabled him to stand his ground against George Zimmerman."-FewsOrange

Excellent. I have now stolen this- sorry!

27 posted on 03/25/2012 1:07:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When will Obama call Trayvon's mom? He was quick to call Sandra Fluke.)
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To: Sir Clancelot
Imagine yourself as a teenager walking home at night, and seeing some guy following you in his car. He continues to follow you even as you start running. The kids probably thinking Zimmerman’s a child molester trying to get him into his car, perhaps if Zimmerman catches up to him, he fights back. Then Zimmerman uses that as he justification for shooting the kid. This is as equally plausible as Zimmerman’s story,

In that circumstance Martin would have more right to "stand his ground" than Zimmerman
28 posted on 03/25/2012 1:09:30 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Traveler59

“Some people” = chuck the schmuck, dirty di feinstein, and Hildebeeste.


29 posted on 03/25/2012 1:10:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Perhaps this is the end game of all the fake outrage over this incident. The couldn’t attack the second amendment with ‘Fast and Furious’ so now they’ll try the racist approach.

Too bad that the “stand your ground” law wasn’t even a factor in this incident. When all the facts are presented, I think it’ll be clear that this was a simple case of self-defense on Zimmerman’s part. We ALL have that right, though the left hates that fact.


30 posted on 03/25/2012 1:12:13 PM PDT by meyer (Fluke - the new "F" word)
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To: Renegade

This law does not even apply in this case. J. Jackson was down here saying we need to ban guns. I guess the criminal Fast and Furious plan backfired for them so they are using this case to push banning guns. America says we are keeping our guns and we are buying lot more lately.


31 posted on 03/25/2012 1:12:13 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("We Need To Teach The Establishment a Lesson" - Newt Gingrich)
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To: FewsOrange

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2070066.shtml?cat=566


32 posted on 03/25/2012 1:13:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chuck baby....STFU until you are a Florida member of Congress ....

Keep your nose in your own corrupted state


33 posted on 03/25/2012 1:15:21 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

DEPOPULATE socialists/totalitarians from the body politic. FUCS


34 posted on 03/25/2012 1:16:05 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: meyer
I think it’ll be clear that this was a simple case of self-defense on Zimmerman’s part.

If you listen to Zimmerman's call to the police, you will hear that Zimmerman describes Martin running away from him. Zimmerman continues to stalk Martin and when Martin tries to defend himself Zimmerman kills him.
35 posted on 03/25/2012 1:17:45 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Tailgunner Joe

$hiite4brains Chuckie needs to be reviewed


36 posted on 03/25/2012 1:17:54 PM PDT by NYCop (In Memory of Maj Francis E Visconti USMC, MIA since 22 NOV 65, but not forgotten)
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To: FewsOrange

Let’s stick to facts...We know the kid was beating the hell out of Zimmerman. His head was bleeding and he was seen (apparently by more than one person) beating on him...one of them called 9-11.


37 posted on 03/25/2012 1:18:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: FewsOrange

Except Martin didn’t have a gun. And Zimmerman wasn’t in a uniform or anything identifying himself as neighborhood watch.

There is no indication that Martin initiated the contact with Zimmerman, it appears that Zimmerman was following (stalking) Martin for enough time for several 911 calls to be made. He also knew the buzzwords to say on the 911 call, he’s acting strange, like he’s on drugs, he’s reaching into his waistband.

Martin has no criminal record we know of, wasn’t carrying a weapon, and wasn’t on drugs that we know of. To be honest, I’m not sure Zimmerman is that kind of guy I want “patrolling” in my neighborhood.


38 posted on 03/25/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: NoLibZone

Geez....They buy them on the street every day....And Obama says “bring a knife”...


39 posted on 03/25/2012 1:19:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

What prompted the kid, coming home from the store, to start beating on Zimmerman? The fact that Zimmerman was following him in his car, we don’t know if Zimmerman called him over. At some point, any kid is gonna fight back when he is scared enough. That doesn’t necessarily make if self defense for Zimmerman to shoot him. And by the way, Zimmerman was described as a “self appointed” neighborhood watch captain. Does that mean he was the only neighborhood watch guy, which makes him a cop wannabe.

Even the Guardian Angels wear identifying berets and jackets to identify themselves.


40 posted on 03/25/2012 1:23:05 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

FU Putz-a-Chuckle Shyster


41 posted on 03/25/2012 1:23:47 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Schumer - what an elitist.

"Government Security for me, but ghetto beat-downs for thee."

No thanks, Chuck. We all see what you are up to. Your mask came off long ago. You're an evil man who wants to control private citizens.

42 posted on 03/25/2012 1:24:06 PM PDT by Hacksaw (It's too bad Rick had to kill Shane (Walking Dead))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

43 posted on 03/25/2012 1:27:02 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: Sir Clancelot
Based on Zimmerman's 911 call Martin was initially unaware that Zimmerman was following him.

Then Martin becomes aware.

That tells you who was the hunter and who was the hunted.

According to Zimmerman Martin ran away and appears to have attempted to hide. Zimmerman dismounted his truck and followed Martin on foot.

Again, that tells you who was the hunter and who was the hunted.

Reminds me an awful lot of that situation in Wisconsin where the Hmong guy claimed he'd been targeted by hunters ~ then, during the investigation authorities determined the Hmong guy had been killing them, even unarmed people.

This is not a simple case either ~ particularly if you focus only on Zimmerman's rights ~ as if his having a gun gave him privileges over others. You must also look at Martin's rights.

44 posted on 03/25/2012 1:28:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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.
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Senator Schumer of New York and his wife both carry handguns - as does Senator Feinstein of California

- Do as I say -

- Not as I do -

.
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45 posted on 03/25/2012 1:29:39 PM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that with a WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: Renegade

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY)

This Lying scumbag needs to be arrested and thrown in Jail....

Lets see the current photo of Treyvon...at 6 foot 2 inches
not his Baby photo.


46 posted on 03/25/2012 1:30:28 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Leave it to nappy headed Chuck the Schmuck to stick his nose in it.

What a POS.


47 posted on 03/25/2012 1:30:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This event is sending a shiver up Chucky’s leg.


48 posted on 03/25/2012 1:32:00 PM PDT by pallis
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To: sheikdetailfeather
I think there's a thread on buying guns ~ something like the US buys up 1/2 of the world's total annual production of guns.

Which is disquieting ~ I'd much prefer buying up 90% of the guns ~ that way we got them and THEY DON"T.

49 posted on 03/25/2012 1:32:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Clancelot

“And by the way, Zimmerman was described as a “self appointed” neighborhood watch captain.”

He was described that way by the press, and we know they lie. He wasn’t self appointed. The residents started a Neighborhood Watch program, had someone out to speak to them about how to run it and Zimmerman was chosen by the group. Also, at the time of the incident he wasn’t patrolling, he was on a personal errand. He was legally concealed carrying. The girlfriend heard some dialog between the two. If someone appears suspicious in my neighborhood, I’d likely ask what they were doing, too. That does not warrant being assaulted. At this point we don’t know what happened after the dialog and who might have been physical first. Please try and keep up and save yourself comments that ignorant. It would be nice to see some critical thinking.


50 posted on 03/25/2012 1:35:32 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick over 50)
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