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Santorum: Zimmerman ‘has a very sick mind,’ motive ‘a malicious one’
The Daily Caller ^ | March 25, 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 03/25/2012 9:47:28 PM PDT by expat1000

On “Face the Nation” Sunday on CBS, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum explained that his view of the Trayvon Martin shooting differed significantly from the one held by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; pennsylvania; ricksantorum; santorum; santorumgaffes; santorumsickmind; santorumtruthfile; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Pinkbell; Nifster

Sorry, this pandering impulsive reaction tells me something bad about his judgment process.


151 posted on 03/26/2012 1:00:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Miss Behave

A private citizen has no business following another private citizen with a gun on his hip if the person being followed has not committed a crime. This use to be a free country.


152 posted on 03/26/2012 1:05:20 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: tallyhoe

yep, I don’t remember her name, I need the brain cells that would be used to remember her name for something important.:O)


153 posted on 03/26/2012 1:34:06 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Secret Agent Man; TigersEye
Sorry, this pandering impulsive reaction tells me something bad about his judgment process.

Exactly.

154 posted on 03/26/2012 1:36:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: throwback

So you’re saying that Martin had a perfect right to beat the crap out of Zimmerman when Zimmerman was returning to his truck? Get a grip.


155 posted on 03/26/2012 1:38:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: throwback
A private citizen has no business following another private citizen with a gun on his hip if the person being followed has not committed a crime.

So if someone is acting suspiciously you should do what?


156 posted on 03/26/2012 1:55:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: expat1000

What a prejudiced idiot Santorum is.


157 posted on 03/26/2012 2:21:30 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: throwback

Zimmerman was on the ground, on his back (as shown by physical evidence), and the kid was on top of him pounding on him, and you claim the shooting was unwarranted?


158 posted on 03/26/2012 2:36:57 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: expat1000

He, like thousands others don’t know WTF they’re talking about.

It’s a little premature to start the race baiting and accusations.
IDIOTS ALL!


159 posted on 03/26/2012 2:56:54 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: little jeremiah

I’m saying in the real world you don’t go looking for trouble. When I was young and went to bars, all you had to do was say the wrong thing or look at somebody the wrong way, and you were in a fight. Maybe I’ve missed it, but it appears this kid had a legitimate reason to be in the neighborhood, and was not observed doing anything that indicated criminal intent. Maybe trailing people you don’t know in your neighborhood with a gun was normal for Zimmerman, but it was nonetheless provocative. It was probably inevitable that eventually he’d run into some kid with an attitude and either Zimmerman would be dead or the kid.


160 posted on 03/26/2012 3:07:51 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: throwback
Maybe trailing people you don’t know in your neighborhood with a gun was normal for Zimmerman, but it was nonetheless provocative.

Yes, you missed Zimmerman's call to the police where he describes Martin's behavior. As far as citizens carrying guns and watching out for their homes and communities we have the 2nd Amendment. Militias are a principle enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

161 posted on 03/26/2012 3:16:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: throwback
Maybe trailing people you don’t know in your neighborhood with a gun was normal for Zimmerman, but it was nonetheless provocative.

Looking and reporting is what neighborhood watch people do. Criminals do take violent exception to their livelihoods being threatened, so neighborhood watch people are taking a risk, which is why some of them are armed. In the past month, the gated complex (with gate pass codes but no private security) had had half a dozen burglaries and a home invasion.

162 posted on 03/26/2012 3:20:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: parksstp; DB; Gene Eric; smoothsailing; SatinDoll; VeniVidiVici

163 posted on 03/26/2012 3:23:21 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: expat1000

The only reason Santorum is around is because everyone else dropped out, like Bachmann and the rest.

Santorum is as light as a feather, has poor judgement, and doesn’t know how to keep his mouth shut.

He’s a complete sucker for MSM tricks.

And he is NOT much of a conservative.

Of all the elections not to have at least a pretense of a decent GOP candidate, when the republic is being destroyed by leftists.

I view this all as God’s ongoing judgement of this country.


164 posted on 03/26/2012 3:53:45 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: expat1000

Hey, it’s not like Rick has all the time in the world to check if what he has read and seen from the media is true or not. It’s not like he’s campaigning all over the country or anything. If there is any blame for the misinformation Rick and everyone else has gotten on this story it lies with the media (even FOX) that is to blame. If the President (lame as he is) comes out against this, why would Santorum even question it? He has bigger fish to fry right now. Give the guy a break. I am a Newt supporter, but fair is fair.


165 posted on 03/26/2012 4:15:21 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: expat1000

He first says he can’t know what’s going on in someone’s mind, then he contradicts himself and says the man’s mind is sick and malicious.

In other words, Rick Santorum is willing to throw George Zimmerman to the wolves and sacrifice him to the angry mob, to try to help his chances of being elected.

Rick was my #1 choice of the remaining candidates. This is sickening and shameful.


166 posted on 03/26/2012 4:27:20 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Jeff Head

Rich Lowry’s column was even worse than this....


167 posted on 03/26/2012 4:29:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: throwback
The 911 operator told him to stop following him. It sounds like he didn’t listen. I imagine if somebody started following me through a neighborhood, I would go over and talk to them too.

I'm going to offer you a suggestion. Whether you take it or not is up to you.

You have a pre-conceived notion of what happened, and are twisting the narrative to fit it. None of the facts (as they are coming out) support your pre-conceived notion.

Did Zimmerman act wisely? I wasn't there, and I don't know his experiences. I do know that the Neighborhood Watch program was an attempt to reduce the spike in property crimes that have recently occurred in the development. But, there's no indication that Zimmerman did not violate ANY law.

Zimmerman -- by his account, by the recordings, and by witnesses -- did not initiate the use of force. Martin did, and it wasn't justifiable under the law. Unless more evidence becomes public that contradicts that, Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

All Martin had to do was tell Zimmerman that he was a guest of his father's girlfriend, and there would have been no escalation to violence. Zimmerman may not have believed him, but that would have been an easy question to solve -- by either walking together to her residence, or calling her.

Barring new and contradictory evidence, the outcome was Martin's responsibility.

168 posted on 03/26/2012 5:00:10 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: expat1000
The government's 911 recording is genuine, and at 2:18 the word is "punks" not the racial slur on the doctored tape.
169 posted on 03/26/2012 5:15:33 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: expat1000
It is really dumb, dumb, dumb to comment without the facts becoming known about this case -- that, precisely, is what was wrong with Obama, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and a host of other idiots yapping about it... and now Santorum has joined the chorus.

and besides aren't there enough critically important federal issues to discuss and give viewpoints about? I mean, really...

170 posted on 03/26/2012 5:26:55 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: throwback

You are apparently gravely ill-informed.


171 posted on 03/26/2012 5:29:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: expat1000

Santorum.

Out of touch.

Your voter base is filled with people who have that same “very sick mind”.

Buh bye, Rick.


172 posted on 03/26/2012 5:32:01 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST /s)
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To: justlurking
“All Martin had to do was tell Zimmerman that he was a guest of his father's girlfriend, and there would have been no escalation to violence. Zimmerman may not have believed him, but that would have been an easy question to solve — by either walking together to her residence, or calling her.’

That brings up a point that I have wondered about. Where is this girlfriend? I would think that she would be being paraded around, giving statements like “Martin was staying at my place” “I invited him to stay and he is so nice” etc. It would lend quite a bit of credence to Martins’side. Her absence is puzzling.

173 posted on 03/26/2012 5:32:14 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: justlurking
Both parties were on their cell phones: Zimmerman to the police, and Martin to his girlfriend.

Zimmerman's call had ended before the confrontation.

The recording of Zimmerman indicates that he was actually confronted by Martin, not the other way around.

I haven't encountered this claim before - do you have a link? (It has been reported that Zimmerman's statement after the shooting stated that he was attacked on the way back to his vehicle.)

Martin's girlfriend provided an interview to ABC News. Her account also indicates that Martin confronted Zimmerman.

True.

"Following" someone is not a crime. The 911 operator dispatcher had no authority to order Zimmerman to stop doing so. That requires a LEO on the scene.

"Being followed" is not a justification for the use of force in self-defense. That requires an explicit threat or an incontrovertible fear of bodily harm.

This is open to interpretation in the state of Florida. The stand your ground law only requires that you "feel threatened", not that there is necessarily an explicit threat. It could be argued that a kid raised in the "stranger danger" era might feel threatened by someone following him.

By your own account, you would have gone over to talk to someone that is following you. I would do the same. But, the evidence indicates that Martin subsequently escalated to the use of force (and at least in Texas, deadly force by striking Zimmerman in the head).

Zimmerman's statement indicates this. Martin's girlfriend's statement seems to contradict that. (If she is telling the truth about being on the phone when the fight started, I do find it odd that Martin would attempt to take a swing at someone while also trying to talk on the phone.) So far, I haven't been able to find any independent witness statements that indicate that they saw the beginning of the confrontation, only the middle/end.

174 posted on 03/26/2012 5:44:03 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Miss Behave

Sorry, I agree with you. I hate the term “walking something back.” It usually means “caught in a lie.” My candidate is not perfect and I really regret he involved himself in this affair without possibly knowing who was right or wrong. He really has NO wiggle room but neither does obama. You are correct. But no doubt he will go ahead and “walk it back” and make himself look worse.

I still support him over all the others in the race and know he will appoint CONSERVATIVE JUDGES and this will make a difference in my children’s lives. That is important to me. None of them are perfect.


175 posted on 03/26/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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To: livius; TigersEye

Imagine having a president this ill-informed and shooting off his mouth like this. This also shows how poor his advisers, assistants and so on are. Of course no one who is very busy can read “everything” and be infomred 100% about every issue. That’s what personal assisants are for - to do the research and inform him. He obviously knew nothing except the MSM crap. So that also means he trusts the MSM and gets his news there.

100% fail.


176 posted on 03/26/2012 6:18:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: expat1000

Does anyone have a picture of the Fonz Jumping the Shark with Rick’s Face super-imposed?


177 posted on 03/26/2012 6:36:15 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: little jeremiah

I wouldn’t expect presidential candidates to know about a story like this but wisdom dictates that if you don’t know a subject well you decline to comment on it. I don’t see how he can backpedal on this one successfully. If he made those remarks in ignorance then his ignorance was quite profound. If he is up to speed on this story his comments reflect some really bad judgment and loathsome pandering to the worst of political correctness.


178 posted on 03/26/2012 6:46:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: parksstp
I guess Rick must have also been wrong to OPINE on the Jerry Sandusky investigation since that case is still pending as well.

If he offered an opinion of guilt or innocence about Sandusky, especially being from Pennsylvania, then yes he was wrong. Santorum is a public political figure and his statement can be expected to have an effect on the public, who may well be on the jury. Put it this way: if Zimmerman was on trial right now, Santorum just handed his attorney grounds for mistrial.

This has everything to do with ethics and judgment, nothing to do with your ignorant notions of "free speech." This is not merely a stupid statement--this reflects impaired judgment and /or defective impulse control--just what we want in the White House.

179 posted on 03/26/2012 6:47:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yaelle
I appreciate your thoughtful post, Yaelle. My frustration is in those who should be leading, diffusing and de-escalating this lawless, terrible, precarious lynch-mob ground swell...but instead are exhibiting anything but right and decent and just and *life-protecting* behavior.

What ever happened to "first do no harm?" We need a leader who understands that...as second nature...just as many loving American parents already instinctively do and put to practice without hesitation...every single day.

Imagine a loved one of yours in Mr. Zimmerman's extremely dangerous, life-threatened situation. It would be horrifying...with an added double-dose of the sinking dread of helplessness for that loved one's plight.

Again, thanks for your thoughtful post. I just feel more strongly by the day that Santorum absolutely doesn't "get it" and lacks basic instincts and vision critical to lead us in these very troubled times...where things are guarenteed to get much worse before better...and I pray that our children's country does get better, for their and their's sake. Take care, Yaelle. :-)

180 posted on 03/26/2012 6:50:17 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
He couldn’t wait to pander to the MSM and be liked.

Pathetic but true. I hope. Because plausible alternative explanations are only more damning.

181 posted on 03/26/2012 7:00:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: throwback
Sorry you totally miss the point. Have a nice day though.
182 posted on 03/26/2012 7:02:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: throwback
I use to see the mentality when I was in the military

I used to see your mentality when I was in the military--the guy who hung around the barracks CQ and had ten percent of the facts but 100% of the answers

183 posted on 03/26/2012 7:08:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yaelle
"audio enhanced by CNN"

Thank you. You may go now. That will be all.

184 posted on 03/26/2012 7:10:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yaelle
guarenteed=guaranteed

I did want to say one more thing. If heaven forbid someone should harm or kill Mr. Zimmerman, I do feel that given the vile and incendiary things that Santorum said about the man...that which he has absolutely FAILED to very-publicly REDRESS himself of...that as harsh as it sounds, Santorum then has the man's blood on his hands. Harsh but true. Rick knows and knew of the Dead or Alive $$$ terrorist bounty on Zimmerman's head when he publicly (disgustingly) propagandized against the very vulnerable citizen.

185 posted on 03/26/2012 7:12:59 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: anglian
Not that it is relevant or material of course, but it keeps the coyotes yapping and the lunch mob foaming at the mouth.
186 posted on 03/26/2012 7:13:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: expat1000

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Worst part about this is watching Rick trying to make a point. What a bumbling, fumbling speaker he is when he gets off his talking points. He needs a teleprompter as well, but Obama will still slice and dice him in a debate.
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Why do people on supposedly on our own side continually foster this notion that Obama is some razor sharp debater??? Show me evidence of him beating ANYONE in a debate!!


187 posted on 03/26/2012 7:36:47 PM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: TigersEye

Anyone - what to speak of a presidential candidate - if asked about something they had little or no knowledge of, would say so. Not open their yap and spout idiocy.

I’ve had it with him. As bad as Romeny except for abortion and fags.


188 posted on 03/26/2012 7:41:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: expat1000

Rick, shutup and go away.


189 posted on 03/26/2012 7:49:11 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: expat1000

I have a theory that the media and gop/dnc pumped up santorum in order to prevent gingrich from recovering the last month or so.


190 posted on 03/26/2012 7:57:19 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Secret Agent Man

fair enough


191 posted on 03/26/2012 8:29:13 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

And don’t misunderstand, he was the last one in the running I was going to vote for. You don’t know how angry I was he decided to judge the guy in the court of public opinion and throw him under the bus.

But to me for him to do this, that bothers me about his ability to discern what is really going on and also get carried away by whatever group is screaming the loudest at the moment. Not good. Zimmerman could be me or you having to defend our lives against a non-white attacker. Media is not protraying the story accurately on purpose.


192 posted on 03/26/2012 8:33:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yup. I get it. ANd the more that comes out from Florida the more I fear for my country. This is getting so ugly and the violence threats are looking like a third world dictatorship. Can the Brownshirts be far behind?


193 posted on 03/26/2012 8:35:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Pinkbell

On the first floor vote Rick’s delegates will vote for him. When any candidate fails to get the 1144 votes needed to be the nominee, his delegates will be free to vote for somebody else. They look to their failed candidate to tell them who he supports. They also listen to floor speeches, other prominent party leaders, etc. but when Rick comes up short, and he COULD throw his delegates to Newt, he won’t. He’ll suddenly become a Mitt fan just like he was in 2008.


194 posted on 03/26/2012 8:36:52 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Pinkbell

“appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court”

Why do you think that when he supported the liberal racist Sotomayer ?


195 posted on 03/26/2012 8:39:08 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The problem people like throwback have is they make stupid statements because they lack the proper context.


196 posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

We used to call those guys “Intelligence Officers”.


197 posted on 03/26/2012 8:46:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“I wish Santorum had displayed his weaknesses earlier in the nomination process.”

I saw Rick ridiculing the very idea of blank slate tax reform in an early debate. This was re Herman Cain’s 999 plan, but it was really his vitriolic condescension that he was right and everybody else was stupid that shocked me. I never considered supporting him after that.


198 posted on 03/26/2012 8:49:09 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Nifster

This event is being used to further multiple goals.

1. Libs reframing the gun debate. Particularly off Fast and Furious/Obama.

2. Spiking the race war they want this summer.

3. Revving up blacks for the 2012 election and cheating galore.

4. Restricting gun rights. Repealing gun laws that protect the citizen against criminals.

5. It’s only news when a non-black kills a black (omitting self defense). The blacks ignore the 93 out of 100 blacks that are killed by other blacks because there’s no racial hatred angle to those killings. PLus it would also show the real truth about what the real problem is in the black community. (It’s the black community.)


199 posted on 03/26/2012 8:52:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

sadly, all too true


200 posted on 03/26/2012 8:54:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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