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1 posted on 03/26/2012 7:22:45 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
This is fabulous to see.

Property taxes evolved from the feud - the deal between the vassals and their estate lords. You defend us, we give you one third of the crops.

Or more.

This whole protection racket had an unspoken threat: don't pay the tax, and you'll need protection from the protector.

So it's just a perpetuation of feudalism, and the reign of the thugs over the productive.

Which brings up another point: property taxes were never meant to be a tax on principle residence. They were supposed to be a tax on production - and since pretty much everyone made their living off the land up till about 100 years ago, the only way you got income was from your property.

Most states have a homestead deduction on their property tax bill. This is a remnant of that concept: property tax didn't apply to the farmhouse, but rather the production of the farm.

The idea of losing your house to the tax man was anathema to free people. Thus the deduction.

So end the property tax. We have excise taxes and income taxes. We should end the latter of those too, but it's at least only exacted when you make money, not simply because you have a place to sleep.

2 posted on 03/26/2012 7:32:06 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Kaslin

The place to start is privatizing education, elimination of public sector parasite unions as a result, and the abolishment of the Dept. of Ed.

Then we can worry about cutting property taxes starting, well everywhere.


3 posted on 03/26/2012 7:35:46 AM PDT by quantim (Obama = #theoccupier on twitter.)
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To: Kaslin
Generally, there are two theories for taxes: 1) ability to pay (e.g., federal income taxes) and 2) benefits received (e.g., gasoline tax). Property taxes don't fit into either one...it's a crappy tax based on wealth, not income. It impacts retired people heavily who often have reduced incomes (violates principle #1) and don't have kids in schools (violates principle #2) which is where a huge chunk of property taxes go.

Solution? I really don't see property taxes going away any time soon. However, I would like to see credits issued for property taxes paid that could be sold in the open market. For example, if I paid $2000 in property taxes, I'd have a piece of paper I could sell to someone who has kids in school which they could use to pay their kids “tuition” for public schooling. Further, the credit could be used for private schools, too. This would force public schools to get their act together or fade away.

4 posted on 03/26/2012 7:39:16 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Kaslin

In CA this would quickly be invalidated by the courts...even before it was voted on.


5 posted on 03/26/2012 7:40:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin

property taxes are a crime....i watch my wifes grandparents lose their little cottage on a lake (prior to michigans headlee amendment) people started buying up the little cottages and building very large mansion type homes on the lake.. their taxes shot up so much they could no longer afford to live in their PAID FOR retirement home... property taxes are a crime..


6 posted on 03/26/2012 7:41:33 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Kaslin
Works for me. I'm all for paying no taxes. My problem is I'm not Timothy 'Franz' Geithner. When I owe tax I pay it. This is one instance where I am all for the liberal's "fairness doctrine" being applied. Why should I, a Conservative, be forced to pay taxes when they, the liberals, don't and worse, keep what I pay to pay for their perverted anti-American frills and entertainment? Or as the case is going to be this year... Why should I be paying for obomba's re-election?

Do away with all taxes or... if people can't handle not paying taxes let there be, at most, a 10-15% usury tax. Unions and government have put many small businesses out of business. I guarantee that business owners will have no problems finding non-union and non-government employees to plow snow.

9 posted on 03/26/2012 8:10:23 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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To: Kaslin

YES! There are some 33 other major taxes the State gets revenue from (ND), and a Billion dollar surplus. Time to quit paying the government rent.


10 posted on 03/26/2012 8:18:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Kaslin

I recently read Benjamin Franklin’s autobiography. When he became involved in civic matters - by this time in Boston, I think - city-wide property tax was assessed per person or head-of-household, only to pay for firefighter services initially. Franklin argued that it wasn’t fair to charge the poor widow in a hovel the same amount of protection money as a wealthy landowner with extensive acreage - and so was born a system of property evaluation.

While it fixed the first problem, now the government got to snoop into what everybody owned and improvements thereto.

I’ll leave it to others to figure out how else a community is to fund emergency svcs like fire/police, but the government intrusion of property tax assessment is offensive on its face. The reason you seldom hear of assessors demanding entry into one’s home is that they know they’d be ridden out of town on a rail - if they’re lucky! - and the manner of their employment wouldn’t even exist. But by law, they can do so.


11 posted on 03/26/2012 8:28:02 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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15 posted on 03/26/2012 8:42:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin

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17 posted on 03/26/2012 9:04:34 AM PDT by know-the-law
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You Never Own Your Own Home

PROPERTY TAXES ARE RENT TO THE GOVERNMENT!!!

WE ARE A NATION OF RENTERS! THE GOVERNMENT IS THE LANDLORD!!!!

Yes! Indeed! I am jumping up and down and shouting! I am exasperated that so few of my fellow citizens understand this basic concept.

The majority of property taxes go to pay for the GODLESS and SOCIALIST-ENTITLEMENT government schools that teach a godless cultural, political, and religious worldview that is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience ABOMINATION and in complete contradiction of every value that I hold.

Also....With business property taxes ( building, land, and personal property such as tools, equipment, and computers) these taxes are **hidden** and passed on to the taxpayer in the price of everything with use and buy.

18 posted on 03/26/2012 9:07:15 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Kaslin
To ease the impact, alternatives have been rumored

The only alternative to be considered should be the cutting of spending. I wish the whole country would do away with property taxes, they are against freedom in every way possible. No one should have to pay the government for the right to live in homes they own or are buying.

20 posted on 03/26/2012 9:44:55 AM PDT by calex59
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As said, as long as there are property taxes you never actually own what you have earned and acquired. It is clear that you can be taxed out of you home and “possessions”.

Here in Texas the assessment boards have lost touch and simply don’t care about right or wrong. It is all about generating revenue from on of the only sources they have since there is no state income tax.

How can it possibly be right, reasonable or good for a person with no income or diminished income to owe taxes on property that is bought and paid for that he can’t afford to pay? How is it right to say that he must sell and move down scale? Sounds like confiscation to me.

Oklahoma, think twice about eliminating state income tax.. the money for services has to come from somewhere. The real question should be what is really needed?

One of the real evils is baseline budgeting with automatic inflation increases. Bureaucrats forget that they don’t run their homes that way.


24 posted on 03/26/2012 11:18:16 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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I believe most property related taxes have an element of direct benefit supported by the property owner for services to be rendered and an element of feely-goody taxes promoted by citizen gad-flies who believe it is their societal if not God’s desire that all people no matter how deserving must be supported, in or out of government. Taxes are a creation of people.


25 posted on 03/26/2012 2:22:32 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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Michigan had better do something instead of harassing the taxpayers they do have.

In late February, I got a notice from Lansing that I owed $326 more for an error on my 2008 state income tax. Instead of spending more than that retrieving records, having the accountant fight it, etc., I sent the money. The next day, I got a demand for all the tax returns I supposedly hadn't filed for the years 2008 - 2010! So, I had made a mistake on a return that I didn't file!

This is on top of ludicrous demands the past several years that the state has made for tax deposits they didn't receive (until I gave receipts), etc.

My solution: dissolve the corporation and move, which I just completed. Loss of not many employees or taxes, but it's part of the death by 1,000 cuts.

To hell with Michigan.

26 posted on 03/26/2012 2:31:01 PM PDT by jammer
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the voters of North Dakota will have the opportunity to make North Dakota truly 'Legendary', as the first to pass a state constitutional amendment that will abolish the property tax, prioritize spending by the legislature, and finally give local governments something they never had: true local control over spending

I hadn't heard about this. This is completely awesome. I live in Vermont, where property taxes are 10x higher than most other states. The money goes to a million feel-good lib programs, and most of the roads are impassable and poorly maintained.

I fear for our nation in so many ways, but I'm always so happy to see that so many are trying to get things back under control.

29 posted on 03/26/2012 7:50:34 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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