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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 26, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by maggief

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened, but that night, Feb. 26, and in later meetings he described and re-enacted for police what he says happened.

In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; thug; trayvon; trayvonassaultedz; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It looks like Trayvon doubled back around one of the condos and started the confrontation according to Zimmerman and witnesses.

Supposedly, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend up to the point where the confrontation occurred. She reportedly said words were exchanged with somebody just before the call dropped, at 1912. The police arrived on scene at 1917, by which time the incident was over, and Martin was already dead.

There's a problem with 1912, however. Zimmerman was still on the phone with the police. His call didn't end until about 191340, and the fight started sometime after that.

So, something is not right. Either the girlfriend is lying, the 1912 time is misreported, or either the cell company's clock or the police's clock was wrong. Cell companies are quite persnickety about keeping their computer clocks accurate to the millisecond. I would hope the Sanford PD keeps theirs accurate to at least the second.

I'd like to see it all laid out for posterity. But, given what we know now, I can't see how a fair jury could convict Zimmerman of anything.

151 posted on 03/26/2012 10:42:21 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: William Tell

Tampa Bay Times Sunday edition (on line) wrote a long article about the makeup and situation at the Twin Retreats. It was affected by the real estate bust. If you read this keep in mind they’re a liberal paper. Just sayin’. I’m watching a press conference locally and nobody’s talking about taking this to the streets. Al’s collecting 100 dollar bills left and right. All the race pimps are in Florida. They are not front and center though. Thank God they’re just pimpin’. The real work will be done by the DA from Jax.


152 posted on 03/26/2012 10:43:27 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.”

Is that criminal?


153 posted on 03/26/2012 10:43:27 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Parley Baer

Rick Santorum could not be reached for comment. lol


154 posted on 03/26/2012 10:47:32 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: maggief

Thank you. That’s what I suspected.


155 posted on 03/26/2012 10:47:58 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
If Zimmerman got out of his SUV to pursue Trayvon, right then and there, Stand Your Ground defense does not apply. Zimmerman will need to come up with a different defense. The police were not supposed to be the trier of fact which is the mistake the police made. Why no arrest and an arraignment? There was a death. Hit & Run drivers are treated much worse than Zim killing Trayvon.

The criminal court judge is the trier of fact along with a jury.

Sanford police have relatives who have beaten up black kids. Google that. Sanford police chief is now a black guy which was a good way to earn back some trust in the community.

156 posted on 03/26/2012 10:49:57 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter
That could be true, I'm personally making the decision to hold off posting my opinions on this case until the dust settles and the actual facts come out. I have no idea what really happened and don't want to end up with egg on my face for forming an opinion based on dive-by journalism at its best.

Only wanted to clear up if it was a law or policy that watch group participants were unarmed.

157 posted on 03/26/2012 10:51:29 AM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: floriduh voter

Zimmerman acted stupidly and he wasn’t even DC police. For that, he should be charged with somethin somethin.

Charged with what? Acting stupidly?


158 posted on 03/26/2012 10:51:37 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Thanks! This just came out.

Family: Pot Linked to Trayvon Martin Suspension

159 posted on 03/26/2012 10:52:16 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: chris37

Zimmerman had his own domestic violence records. I’m hearing both sides of this. The DA will have her hands full.


160 posted on 03/26/2012 10:52:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

“maybe Trayvon saw the gun”

Speculation.


161 posted on 03/26/2012 10:54:32 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: voteNRA

I’m not on the board right now but I’d bet my bottom dollar that if our HOA liability insurance company knew our crime watch volunteer was armed, our premium would go up or they would demand the volunteer not carry while performing duties as a volunteer. Our premiums at the HOA are high enogh as it is without having to cover a volunteer walking around armed.


162 posted on 03/26/2012 10:55:58 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

Yes. But all evidence needs to come out.

And the image of Trayvon the Happy Skippy Skittleboy crap has been shot to hell.

Truth is a tough thing to accept sometimes...


163 posted on 03/26/2012 10:56:16 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: maggief
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked Zimmerman, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

Yeah, but Z followed Martin, and looked at him...Doesn't that justify beating someones face in?

164 posted on 03/26/2012 10:56:21 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: floriduh voter
floriduh voter said: "You are comparing a young man to a dog. "

No, I was comparing an unruly guest creating a ruckus at a condominium swimming pool with an unruly guest allowing his dogs to run unleashed in a condominium common use area.

I was making the point that those who break condominium rules can be held accountable by the homeowner's association because unit owners are completely responsible for the behavior of their guests.

165 posted on 03/26/2012 10:57:19 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: maggief

The media has been so incredibly irresponsible in the way they have reported this entire thing!


166 posted on 03/26/2012 10:58:04 AM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: floriduh voter
"I’m not on the board right now but I’d bet my bottom dollar that if our HOA liability insurance company knew our crime watch volunteer was armed, our premium would go up or they would demand the volunteer not carry while performing duties as a volunteer. Our premiums at the HOA are high enogh as it is without having to cover a volunteer walking around armed."

I am on the board of our HOA and we get around this problem by just not having an official "watch group".

If anyone strange to the neighborhood comes around, I or one of several neighbors will be out at soon as we notice to greet them and welcome them to our neighborhood.

I'm sure this is done while being armed often. We are not in any way acting as part of an association, just men doing what men are supposed to do to keep neighborhoods safe.

167 posted on 03/26/2012 11:01:07 AM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

This is why Gov. Rick Scott picked a top notch DA from Jacksonville. There is a lot to sort out. Zimmerman’s gotten a pass so far. I wonder how Casey Anthony’s doing. Florida’s either tazing people to death and people who harm children get away with it. At least the theme parks and the beaches are just swell!


168 posted on 03/26/2012 11:01:39 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

Norm, we don’t always agree but Zim was in pursuit and he did say on that one tape to police: “They always get away.”

Maybe he wanted to maintain visual contact?

I believe Zim was in a state of mind where he was tired of “them” getting away and this time, it wasn’t gonna happen on his watch.

Speculatiuon.

The intent was not initially to shoot Trayvon but if someone carries, they need to carry responsibly which Zim failed to do.

Does carrying your weapon responsibly include keeping it holstered while you’re being attacked?

Crime Watch volunteers are NOT supposed to carry a weapon.

So if you have a permit to carry you’re not allowed to be in the neighbourhood watch?

They are supposed to call the cops who have tazers which are killin’ their own share of Floridians I might add.

This speaks volumes about your views in general.

Do you have any proof Zimmerman acted criminally? Then shut yer yap.


169 posted on 03/26/2012 11:03:01 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: My Favorite Headache
You called?

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170 posted on 03/26/2012 11:04:11 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Sucker punched.

Can I be honest?

Blacks are known for this, and in fact they have it on multiple video, of blacks just brutally sucker punching innocent people, as they walk by. Seem it many times.

What some don't realize, but people die everyday, due to blows to the head.

171 posted on 03/26/2012 11:05:15 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rurgan
Zimmerman is Hispanic/jewish and a democrat.

Zimmerman is Catholic. About George (new window)

172 posted on 03/26/2012 11:06:08 AM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: voteNRA
We have a Canadian who set up a motel in his townhome, expecting to have new motel guests every two weeks which is clearly in violation of our docs. Had my friend not chatted up his guests at the pool, we would not have discovered this scheme which was against our HOA rules, violated luxury tax rules and this is not a time share or a motel.

Talking and listening seems best. At night, there are some cops who live here. That helps somewhat. We have lots of residents who have firearms because they have murdered relatives or were almost shot themselves someplace else. I'm talking white and black who were victims before.

173 posted on 03/26/2012 11:07:09 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
He told the 911 operator this and said he was headed back to his vehicle.

Corrections: Not 911 operator, dispatcher...and he never indicated to the dispatcher that he was returning to his truck. That part is supposedly in his statement to police after the shooting.

174 posted on 03/26/2012 11:07:10 AM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Niteranger68

Santorum supporters?


175 posted on 03/26/2012 11:07:10 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: floriduh voter
floriduh voter said: "Stand Your Ground defense does not apply."

Many posters are speaking as if "stand your ground" laws are essential to claims of self-defense. That is not true.

Self-defense laws, even if not explicitly passed by a legislature, are part of common law. Some states have enacted statutes which institute a "duty to retreat". I'm not sure whether there is a basis for such a thing in common law or not.

The description by Zimmerman includes his intention to retreat. It would be the prosecution's burden to prove that he did not retreat in order to rule out self-defense.

If Zimmerman did retreat, then there wouldn't be any aspect of "stand your ground" that is relevant. In retreating, Zimmerman is not standing his ground, but giving ground. If Martin closed with Zimmerman in order to fight him, then Martin is guilty of assault, even if Zimmerman had previously assaulted Martin.

It's conceivable that both parties committed felonious assault while still being consistent with a legitimate use of self-defense by Zimmerman.

176 posted on 03/26/2012 11:07:31 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: NormsRevenge

I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.

There’s a lot more to stalking than what apparently happened. Everyone needs to stop the “stalking” baloney.

Overzealousness isn’t a crime.


177 posted on 03/26/2012 11:09:00 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I dunno. Maybe they were an assault hoodie and select-fire skittles.


178 posted on 03/26/2012 11:10:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

This is a FORUM. Shut your yap is kind of a personal attack but I won’t report abuse. Everyone here is speculating the hell out of this. If you are not in Florida, maybe you aren’t getting the full coverage I am. They have been reporting on what crime stoppers and crime watch groups do and don’t do. I’m glad I don’t live there. The HOA fees are going to go through the roof when the civil suit is settled. A killing for whatever reason by a volunteer who was authorized by the Board of Directors sounds like cha ching in a civil suit to me. They’ll settle out of court and there will be more empty units for Zim to peek into. Tampa Bay Times - Sunday edition Twin Retreats report.


179 posted on 03/26/2012 11:12:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Reese Hamm
Zimmerman is a person of color, a Hispanic. The media lies. The media has everyone believing it is a white Rush listener.
180 posted on 03/26/2012 11:14:54 AM PDT by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: floriduh voter
"Talking and listening seems best."

Totally agree, simply walking up to a strange face in the neighborhood and welcoming them (letting them know you are watching) is a great deterrent for crimes of opportunity.

181 posted on 03/26/2012 11:15:54 AM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: floriduh voter

Is SYG Zimmerman’s defense? As I understand it his defense will be straight up self defense. Stop trying to knock down straw men.


182 posted on 03/26/2012 11:18:18 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: floriduh voter

Oh yeah, why don’t you list what he was charged with and the circumstances of the event that resulted in those charges.

Go.


183 posted on 03/26/2012 11:18:46 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: floriduh voter

“Florida is not a racist state - too many transplants live here who were never racist.”

Is that because they come from up North, not the South?


184 posted on 03/26/2012 11:20:31 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

all some of us want is to let a grand jury decide,, it can send a message to legislators and criminals alike.. and people in hoodies.

let the process grind it thru its gears.

anyone exploiting the situation to do otherwise should be embarassed.


185 posted on 03/26/2012 11:23:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: floriduh voter

You are too obsessed with race and too willing to make-it-up-as-you-go for me to take you seriously.


186 posted on 03/26/2012 11:24:24 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: floriduh voter
The amount of errors/disinformation/lies/slander in your post is staggering.

WTF are you doing on this particular forum, lost or trolling?

187 posted on 03/26/2012 11:26:37 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: floriduh voter

Zimmerman’s lawyer has made a statement that this isn’t a ‘stand your ground’ case.
http://wtvr.com/2012/03/24/zimmermans-lawyer-stand-your-ground-doesnt-apply-in-trayvon-martin-case/


188 posted on 03/26/2012 11:26:47 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: NormsRevenge
-- overzealous policing.. stopping anyone you don't know or recognize from the area. --

Except there is no evidence that Zimmerman ever tried to prevent anybody from going about their business.

189 posted on 03/26/2012 11:27:45 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NormsRevenge

Absolutely. All I’m saying is that the evidence to date supports Zimmerman’s story, and there is no burden on him to show he’s innocent of wrongdoing. This man is getting death threats, there are bounties out on his head, and there are elected officials and other people basically convicting a guy that hasn’t even been charged with anything. It’s disgraceful.


190 posted on 03/26/2012 11:28:47 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: rurgan
Zimmerman's father is white; his mother is Peruvian. This has been reported extensively. (The only ones calling him just "white" have an axe to grind.) Friends and relatives have stated that he was an altar boy; former neighbors say the family was "very Catholic, very religious." I haven't seen any major news outlet reporting on his political affiliation or claiming that he's a Rush listener. (Take that how you will.)

And just because the media lies, doesn't mean that we have to help them. Claiming he's Jewish when he isn't doesn't add anything to the discussion.

191 posted on 03/26/2012 11:29:46 AM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: floriduh voter

I apologize for the personal attack. It’s very frustrating seeing people (not you) going from thread to thread repeating the exact same nonsense that they have been shown is nonsense. Basically trolling threads trying to make stick whatever they can.


192 posted on 03/26/2012 11:33:03 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: NormsRevenge
"...stalking is a crime there,...."

Stalking is a serious crime involving repeated non-stop longterm harrassment...restraining orders, police protection, etc.

VERY far from a 2-minutes-tops from-a-distance observation of a random stranger in YOUR neighborhood.

My God, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

193 posted on 03/26/2012 11:36:46 AM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: murron

many murders are being committed by 17 year old black “youths” that may look like Obama’s son.
__________________________________________________

Got one right here...

13 year old black girl in critical condition in hospital...

Perp a 17 year old black gangbanger...

During the day at a block party...

http://tfponline.com/news/2012/mar/21/youth-held-in-shooting-could-be-tried-as-adult/


194 posted on 03/26/2012 11:47:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: TSgt

I’m not sure why the gold teeth matter, but at least we have a real and current photo. Folks this weekend were posting photos that didn’t even look like Martin.


196 posted on 03/26/2012 11:49:24 AM PDT by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: trappedincanuckistan; All
Breaking reason why the police may have protected Zimmerman to the hilt. This is copied, not my words.

POLITICS-NEPOTISM: So why did Zimmerman get this special consideration and treatment that I know any other typical citizen would not get in the same situation? Why? What is so special or unique about Zimmerman that gave him this gracious by the cops to not be detained or arrested until further investigation to protect the public?

Because the cops knew him because he had trained with the sheriff’s office wanting to be one.

And, most importantly, Zimmerman’s father is a retired magistrate judge. Ahhhhh….now I have the answer to that question as to why Zimmerman was treated differently in this situation than just the average citizen in the same position.

So with that preferential treatment toward Zimmerman now flavoring the investigation and prosecution of his guilty murdering ***…it is only natural that black people now play the race card and insinuate a hate crime flavor to counter the injustice of Zimmerman’s preferential treatment by the police.

All Zimmerman had to do was keep his distance and observe. The kid would have made it to his father’s door to watch the rest of the game and live the rest of his young life. end of copy

My words: ZIMMERMAN'S DAD WAS A U.S. MAGISTRATE JUDGE. Do you know how much power judges have in Florida?????

Let's see where this case leads. The DA will know everything and come up with the truth we can all hope.

197 posted on 03/26/2012 11:50:10 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: diogenes ghost

Zimmerman’s dad was a US Magistrate. Enough said.


198 posted on 03/26/2012 11:52:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Irenic

Zimmerman’s dad was a U.S. Magistrate. Enough said.


199 posted on 03/26/2012 11:53:44 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Niteranger68

I’m not obsessed with race. Too many freepers are hating on a minor who was shot to death (reason or cause to be determined). Zimmerman’s dad was a retired US Magistrate. The Sanford police were tight w/his honor. Can’t arrest his honor’s goofy kid.


200 posted on 03/26/2012 11:55:59 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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