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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 26, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by maggief

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To: maggief
His twitter screen name was “@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, ..He was also a member of a twitter hash group #team4dat

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101 posted on 03/26/2012 9:46:48 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: floriduh voter

I’m not sure I completely understand all of your post, but let’s say you are the DA. Based on FACTS, what would you charge Mr Zimmerman with?


102 posted on 03/26/2012 9:49:19 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: Cicero

If either was holding the slide shut, there would be evidence to show it, as in damage to that hand.


103 posted on 03/26/2012 9:50:54 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Wizdum

Thugslaughter?


104 posted on 03/26/2012 9:50:54 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.

Yes, but bear a few things in mind. He was on the phone with 911, had requested police assistance, given them his cell number for the police to call when he got there, and was expecting them at any minute. He didn't necessarily get out to stalk or confront Martin. It's more likely that he wanted to keep him in view until the cops got there. Martin originally, upon seeing Zimmerman, turned and walked in his direction, before turning away. That's confrontational, and it makes sense that he might have repeated the gesture a minute or so later, when both were in the alleyway, out of sight.

105 posted on 03/26/2012 9:53:04 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: maggief

I believe punching someone in the nose is first degree assault. So much for the good boy who just walked away theory.


106 posted on 03/26/2012 9:53:54 AM PDT by snafubar
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To: cynwoody

If Trayvon had no marks on his body other than the fatal gunshot wound and Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a laceration on the back of his skull Trayvon probably started the fight. Trayvon couldn’t attack after being shot. For it to be otherwise we have to believe Zimmerman attacked hand to hand (while carrying a loaded gun), missed totally, had his ass handed to him, and then shot.


107 posted on 03/26/2012 9:54:31 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Niteranger68

while we can speak to Zimmerman’s state of mind, it’s not so easy to do so with Martin now . He had a rough 2012 so far, now it’s a complete loss. If he felt like he was being tailed.. or ‘oppressed’ again.. wellll..

I can understand in high crime areas how some are ready to do what they have to to defend themselves, but.. is this a case of just let the system do its job and maybe he should have just kept driving.. I again go back to precipitating events and better judgment being lacking.. on both parties.


108 posted on 03/26/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: floriduh voter
"Crime Watch volunteers are NOT supposed to carry a weapon."

Just curious as to why someone who wants to watch over their neighborhood has to suspend their personal rights in order to do so?

Is this some kind of law or just your opinion?

109 posted on 03/26/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Yeah, he is as white as the President of the NAACP Ben Jealous!

20 white people who are darker than NAACP President Ben Jealous

110 posted on 03/26/2012 9:55:33 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DBrow

Zimmerman was said to have a damaged hand, during the discussion about why the chamber didn’t reload. Of course the reports are leaking out in strange ways, so I don’t know if this—or anything else—is true or not. But it sounded reasonable, I thought.


111 posted on 03/26/2012 9:56:08 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ZX12R

“Read around here a bit...there are a few FReepers contorting themselves into a pretzel to make Zimmerman look like a murderer.

It’s more than a few, and they display an I.Q. equivalent to Al Sharpton.”

I think some of them were trying to support the idiotic statement by Rick Santorum. The others are just Al Sharpton clones.


112 posted on 03/26/2012 9:56:08 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.


113 posted on 03/26/2012 9:56:26 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: floriduh voter

” Sometimes freepers shape information to fit their preconceived notions. “

Yep, you sure did.


114 posted on 03/26/2012 9:56:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Hopefully the cops did a powder swab of both the shooter and victim. That will help determine where body parts were
when the primer touched off the powder.

In my experience they swabbed under the eyes, ears, hands and other clothed body parts and neatly labeled them all.


115 posted on 03/26/2012 9:57:18 AM PDT by soycd
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To: GrandmaPatriot

They have ways around that—they just say “ongoing investigation” and poof, records cannot be accessed. Let’s hope they don’t do this. I think the longer the facts are withheld, the more it festers.


116 posted on 03/26/2012 9:58:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now that Perry's out, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Generic Republican Candidate")
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To: floriduh voter

George Zimmerman should be charged with successfully protecting his neighborhood from a violent criminal.


117 posted on 03/26/2012 10:00:07 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: TSgt
I wonder. Are those really dental gold teeth? Or grillz?


118 posted on 03/26/2012 10:00:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

“I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.”

When Zimmerman got out of his SUV and followed Trayvon a short distance Trayvon took off running into the darkness. He told the 911 operator this and said he was headed back to his vehicle. It looks like Trayvon doubled back around one of the condos and started the confrontation according to Zimmerman and witnesses. If FL has any stalking statutes I don’t think it can apply here in this case. Any FReepers here with a more informed opinion on that?

Define “overzealous policing.”


119 posted on 03/26/2012 10:01:47 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: maggief

Obama acted stupidly.


120 posted on 03/26/2012 10:02:10 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Parley Baer
I think some of them were trying to support the idiotic statement by Rick Santorum. The others are just Al Sharpton clones.

You are right, I suppose there are several reasons. But there is no good reason, especially here on Free Republic, to be contorting the story and the information to such a ridiculous level. I guess some also just cannot give up on their initial knee jerk opinions, and will follow them all the way to hell and back, rather than simply admit being wrong.
121 posted on 03/26/2012 10:02:22 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Stalking is not constituted by the mere act of following someone.

Multiple incidents are required, and so are multiple threats.


122 posted on 03/26/2012 10:04:13 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: dangus

If they described it as an “empty marijuana baggie,” and he was suspended from school for 5 days, I assume that it was pretty freaking clear that the baggie had very recently been emptied of marijuana, but that it still smelled like marijuana (or had marijuana residue, or what have you).


123 posted on 03/26/2012 10:05:37 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: maggief

124 posted on 03/26/2012 10:05:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: khelus
Actually, it was just likely for smokin a doobie than hitting a bus driver.

Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

Sounds more plausible that some twitter post cited by some blog.

125 posted on 03/26/2012 10:07:17 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Wizdum

Is Mike Nifong working in prosecutors office?


126 posted on 03/26/2012 10:08:56 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; dangus

SANFORD, Fla. — A family spokesman says slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school last month for having a baggie that contained marijuana residue in his book bag.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/69058dff0e374adbb4f01bd173921cf3/US—Neighborhood-Watch-Death/


127 posted on 03/26/2012 10:09:46 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Wizdum
Zimmerman will go down for Manslaughter.

Maybe. Investigation is ongoing. They didn't charge him after he was detained. There's probably other stuff we don't know about yet.

SPD/DA's either didn't have probable cause to arrest or didn't think they could get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt. There's a grand jury hearing coming out. Things may or may not happen there. We don't know.

128 posted on 03/26/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks, I’m still looking for as full a description of what happened.

overzealous policing.. stopping anyone you don’t know or recognize from the area. being a real busybody , borderline nosy to a fault..


129 posted on 03/26/2012 10:11:29 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

“Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.
This troubles me. Sorry, it just does. jmo.”

Maybe post#66 can shed some light for you.


130 posted on 03/26/2012 10:11:29 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: joe fonebone

Where did you get Martins height/weight? I’ve been looking for that. Have a link?


131 posted on 03/26/2012 10:11:57 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (God is dead - William Hamilton....William Hamilton is dead - God (And he means it))
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To: chris37

maybe surveilling is a better word..


132 posted on 03/26/2012 10:12:48 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Some people want to hide or look the other way in the presence of possible danger, which is a normal human trait (don't want anyone peeing in their pants). Mr Zimmerman apparently took the problem of crime in his neighborhood very seriously and had a proactive approach in his surveillance. Maybe Mr Martin felt dissed that someone had the nerve to watch him so he decided to serve up a beating as a lesson to Mr Zimmerman, but that's pure speculation. Based on the facts I have read, there is no reason (yet) to charge Mr Zimmerman with anything.
133 posted on 03/26/2012 10:17:28 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: Wizdum
"Zimmerman will go down for manslaughter."

I would give odds against that.

134 posted on 03/26/2012 10:19:06 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: voteNRA

This is Crime Stoppers policy and HOA policy. The law violated was Stand Your Ground not Move That Ground.


135 posted on 03/26/2012 10:20:10 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Linda Frances
Racists are racists. They think they are superior and more deserving than any other tribe. Black racists hate other races of people just as white racists, yellow racists or brown racists.

Liberals have been pushing the ideology of black racism and brown racism with the object of hate targeting whites and the remedy solution being socialism/communism. They are planning and hoping that hate will unite blacks and browns against whites in this country and against the “white” constitutional republic.

Racial hate and tribalism don't work that way. It hates anyone not like itself. As they launch black racism into violence, if it is in the cities as it was in the past, it will attack and burn out, mostly brown, and yellow.

From what I have read from Leftists, they (and Obama and Holder) have to go into Muslim terrorist mode to effectively attack places that are majority white outside the cities; schools, malls, restaurants, etc. They will try to use leftist white psychopaths (plenty of them at Soros’ occupy camps) who are chomping at the bit to kill middle and upper class Americans in a dreamy French revolution remake. This is probably why the NYPD has been infiltrating the Left and why Holder is so angry about it.

This terror will give Obama the support and the excuse he needs for suspending the constitution and “fundamentally changing” America.

136 posted on 03/26/2012 10:20:26 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SamuraiScot
He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

If this is true, then his father was lying about Trayvon being suspended for being in an unauthorized place at school.
137 posted on 03/26/2012 10:21:53 AM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: floriduh voter
floriduh voter said: I can’t even ask a “guest” to leave if they are creating a ruckus at our pool.

No, but you can ask the unit owner who invited the "guest" to discipline them to behave or remove them from the property.

When a guest of one of the unit owners in my condo association permitted his dogs to run free in the common area without leashes, I wrote a very specific email to the unit owner spelling out the transgression.

She didn't appreciate the very businesslike tone of my message, but she understood that the situation would be treated identically to her having unleashed the dogs herself. She took care of the problem.

Homeowner's associations have incredible power to enforce the contractual agreements between the unit owners, up to and including the levying of fines and the eventual foreclosure and sale of units in order to satisfy the fines. This is what buyers are agreeing to when they buy such properties and typically the majority of buyers are content with the constraints.

138 posted on 03/26/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

it is all over the interwebs.... he was also a football player for the high school team... that means he lifted weights and was in shape....


139 posted on 03/26/2012 10:24:13 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: maggief

decked?


140 posted on 03/26/2012 10:25:40 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Linda Frances
Zimmerman is Hispanic/jewish and a democrat. But in the media created fantasy world we live in he is a white Rush listener who did what Rush and Republicans said to kill blacks. The media democrat complex would blame Palin but since she is not running they blame Rush and Republicans.
141 posted on 03/26/2012 10:26:43 AM PDT by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: Niteranger68
Okay, I'm NOT the DA but Stand Your Ground does not mean Move That Ground and pretend you are Barney Fife. Zimmerman was in the wrong neighborhood if he is suspicious of blacks. That complex was very integrated. I'm helping my black neighbor plant flowers next week. Maybe living in an integrated neighborhood gives me a different perspective. I'm well aware of black on black crime tales and if I was black, I'd be watching my back all the time. Black domestic violence is under reported for one thing.

Zimmerman sat on Trayvon's dead body until the cops got there. There's video of that but never mind. Zimmerman had some things going on in his mind that led him to be overzealous. An HOA "guest" is dead. They will be sued. Hope they go bankrupt and some sleazy bank buys the whole complex. I know what HOAs can and cannot do. Shooting people while volunteering is a can't. This is a big civil deal too.

142 posted on 03/26/2012 10:26:58 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot......This troubles me."

Really? What do you expect a Neighborhood Watch volunteer to do...watch someone who obviously is not from the area from his car, then quit watching if he is no longer visible from the vehicle?

That sorta defeats the concept of the program, does it not?

143 posted on 03/26/2012 10:29:44 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: floriduh voter
"This is Crime Stoppers policy and HOA policy"

Okay, so its not a law just a totally unenforceable policy suggestion. I thought maybe there was some law in FL regarding watch groups that I was unaware of.

144 posted on 03/26/2012 10:30:41 AM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: William Tell
Believe me. The barking dogs that just moved in here are driving me up a wall.

There is a law that doesn't get my coverage. If a minor even PERCEIVES fear from an adult, that is against the law. The minor can even pretend that an adult scared them and it's against the law. I hate PC crap but minors have rights beyond what most people are aware of.

A dog without a leash is different than a minor walking fast in the rain. You are comparing a young man to a dog. LOL Freepers, gotta luv 'em.

145 posted on 03/26/2012 10:33:03 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: Williams

“inane ‘national dialogue’ over this”

Agreed. Remember when Reverend Jesse, Al, etc. say we need a dialogue, really they mean monologue. You sit there nice and quiet while they explore 300 years of racial oppression and pin it all on you.


146 posted on 03/26/2012 10:37:13 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: voteNRA

However, the Stand Your Ground defense does not apply. As much as I’m no fan of Jeb Bush, he signed the SYG law and Jeb said, that Trayvon’s death was not SYG. Jeb Bush signed the darn bill into law! The law is not about chasing someone down and when they defend themselves and end up dead, it’s their own fault. Trayvon’s Skittles didn’t kill him. Zim’s gun did.


147 posted on 03/26/2012 10:37:18 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: 2harddrive

I wish Obama would elaborate again on why we all need to do some “soul searching.”


148 posted on 03/26/2012 10:38:37 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: joe fonebone
joe fonebone said: "... he was also a football player for the high school team ..."

I'm almost 5-9. Years ago I played ping-pong with a friend of mine who was about 6-3. Out of more than two-hundred games, I probably won 5. I realized what an advantage his size was when I noticed that he seldom had to move his feet during the game.

I would be crazy to permit myself to fight with a six-foot tall high-school football player. He would be able to bust my nose while I was still in the next county.

149 posted on 03/26/2012 10:38:37 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Trayvon Martin's Ten-Day Suspension (for assaulting a bus driver)
150 posted on 03/26/2012 10:40:43 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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