Skip to comments.Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by maggief
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I’m not sure I completely understand all of your post, but let’s say you are the DA. Based on FACTS, what would you charge Mr Zimmerman with?
If either was holding the slide shut, there would be evidence to show it, as in damage to that hand.
Yes, but bear a few things in mind. He was on the phone with 911, had requested police assistance, given them his cell number for the police to call when he got there, and was expecting them at any minute. He didn't necessarily get out to stalk or confront Martin. It's more likely that he wanted to keep him in view until the cops got there. Martin originally, upon seeing Zimmerman, turned and walked in his direction, before turning away. That's confrontational, and it makes sense that he might have repeated the gesture a minute or so later, when both were in the alleyway, out of sight.
I believe punching someone in the nose is first degree assault. So much for the good boy who just walked away theory.
If Trayvon had no marks on his body other than the fatal gunshot wound and Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a laceration on the back of his skull Trayvon probably started the fight. Trayvon couldn’t attack after being shot. For it to be otherwise we have to believe Zimmerman attacked hand to hand (while carrying a loaded gun), missed totally, had his ass handed to him, and then shot.
while we can speak to Zimmerman’s state of mind, it’s not so easy to do so with Martin now . He had a rough 2012 so far, now it’s a complete loss. If he felt like he was being tailed.. or ‘oppressed’ again.. wellll..
I can understand in high crime areas how some are ready to do what they have to to defend themselves, but.. is this a case of just let the system do its job and maybe he should have just kept driving.. I again go back to precipitating events and better judgment being lacking.. on both parties.
Just curious as to why someone who wants to watch over their neighborhood has to suspend their personal rights in order to do so?
Is this some kind of law or just your opinion?
Zimmerman was said to have a damaged hand, during the discussion about why the chamber didn’t reload. Of course the reports are leaking out in strange ways, so I don’t know if this—or anything else—is true or not. But it sounded reasonable, I thought.
“Read around here a bit...there are a few FReepers contorting themselves into a pretzel to make Zimmerman look like a murderer.
It’s more than a few, and they display an I.Q. equivalent to Al Sharpton.”
I think some of them were trying to support the idiotic statement by Rick Santorum. The others are just Al Sharpton clones.
I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.
” Sometimes freepers shape information to fit their preconceived notions. “
Yep, you sure did.
Hopefully the cops did a powder swab of both the shooter and victim. That will help determine where body parts were
when the primer touched off the powder.
In my experience they swabbed under the eyes, ears, hands and other clothed body parts and neatly labeled them all.
They have ways around that—they just say “ongoing investigation” and poof, records cannot be accessed. Let’s hope they don’t do this. I think the longer the facts are withheld, the more it festers.
George Zimmerman should be charged with successfully protecting his neighborhood from a violent criminal.
“I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.”
When Zimmerman got out of his SUV and followed Trayvon a short distance Trayvon took off running into the darkness. He told the 911 operator this and said he was headed back to his vehicle. It looks like Trayvon doubled back around one of the condos and started the confrontation according to Zimmerman and witnesses. If FL has any stalking statutes I don’t think it can apply here in this case. Any FReepers here with a more informed opinion on that?
Define “overzealous policing.”
Obama acted stupidly.
Stalking is not constituted by the mere act of following someone.
Multiple incidents are required, and so are multiple threats.
If they described it as an “empty marijuana baggie,” and he was suspended from school for 5 days, I assume that it was pretty freaking clear that the baggie had very recently been emptied of marijuana, but that it still smelled like marijuana (or had marijuana residue, or what have you).
Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.
Sounds more plausible that some twitter post cited by some blog.
Is Mike Nifong working in prosecutors office?
SANFORD, Fla. A family spokesman says slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school last month for having a baggie that contained marijuana residue in his book bag.
Maybe. Investigation is ongoing. They didn't charge him after he was detained. There's probably other stuff we don't know about yet.
SPD/DA's either didn't have probable cause to arrest or didn't think they could get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt. There's a grand jury hearing coming out. Things may or may not happen there. We don't know.
Thanks, I’m still looking for as full a description of what happened.
overzealous policing.. stopping anyone you don’t know or recognize from the area. being a real busybody , borderline nosy to a fault..
“Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.
This troubles me. Sorry, it just does. jmo.”
Maybe post#66 can shed some light for you.
Where did you get Martins height/weight? I’ve been looking for that. Have a link?
maybe surveilling is a better word..
I would give odds against that.
This is Crime Stoppers policy and HOA policy. The law violated was Stand Your Ground not Move That Ground.
Liberals have been pushing the ideology of black racism and brown racism with the object of hate targeting whites and the remedy solution being socialism/communism. They are planning and hoping that hate will unite blacks and browns against whites in this country and against the “white” constitutional republic.
Racial hate and tribalism don't work that way. It hates anyone not like itself. As they launch black racism into violence, if it is in the cities as it was in the past, it will attack and burn out, mostly brown, and yellow.
From what I have read from Leftists, they (and Obama and Holder) have to go into Muslim terrorist mode to effectively attack places that are majority white outside the cities; schools, malls, restaurants, etc. They will try to use leftist white psychopaths (plenty of them at Soros’ occupy camps) who are chomping at the bit to kill middle and upper class Americans in a dreamy French revolution remake. This is probably why the NYPD has been infiltrating the Left and why Holder is so angry about it.
This terror will give Obama the support and the excuse he needs for suspending the constitution and “fundamentally changing” America.
No, but you can ask the unit owner who invited the "guest" to discipline them to behave or remove them from the property.
When a guest of one of the unit owners in my condo association permitted his dogs to run free in the common area without leashes, I wrote a very specific email to the unit owner spelling out the transgression.
She didn't appreciate the very businesslike tone of my message, but she understood that the situation would be treated identically to her having unleashed the dogs herself. She took care of the problem.
Homeowner's associations have incredible power to enforce the contractual agreements between the unit owners, up to and including the levying of fines and the eventual foreclosure and sale of units in order to satisfy the fines. This is what buyers are agreeing to when they buy such properties and typically the majority of buyers are content with the constraints.
it is all over the interwebs.... he was also a football player for the high school team... that means he lifted weights and was in shape....
Zimmerman sat on Trayvon's dead body until the cops got there. There's video of that but never mind. Zimmerman had some things going on in his mind that led him to be overzealous. An HOA "guest" is dead. They will be sued. Hope they go bankrupt and some sleazy bank buys the whole complex. I know what HOAs can and cannot do. Shooting people while volunteering is a can't. This is a big civil deal too.
Really? What do you expect a Neighborhood Watch volunteer to do...watch someone who obviously is not from the area from his car, then quit watching if he is no longer visible from the vehicle?
That sorta defeats the concept of the program, does it not?
Okay, so its not a law just a totally unenforceable policy suggestion. I thought maybe there was some law in FL regarding watch groups that I was unaware of.
There is a law that doesn't get my coverage. If a minor even PERCEIVES fear from an adult, that is against the law. The minor can even pretend that an adult scared them and it's against the law. I hate PC crap but minors have rights beyond what most people are aware of.
A dog without a leash is different than a minor walking fast in the rain. You are comparing a young man to a dog. LOL Freepers, gotta luv 'em.
“inane ‘national dialogue’ over this”
Agreed. Remember when Reverend Jesse, Al, etc. say we need a dialogue, really they mean monologue. You sit there nice and quiet while they explore 300 years of racial oppression and pin it all on you.
However, the Stand Your Ground defense does not apply. As much as I’m no fan of Jeb Bush, he signed the SYG law and Jeb said, that Trayvon’s death was not SYG. Jeb Bush signed the darn bill into law! The law is not about chasing someone down and when they defend themselves and end up dead, it’s their own fault. Trayvon’s Skittles didn’t kill him. Zim’s gun did.
I wish Obama would elaborate again on why we all need to do some “soul searching.”
I'm almost 5-9. Years ago I played ping-pong with a friend of mine who was about 6-3. Out of more than two-hundred games, I probably won 5. I realized what an advantage his size was when I noticed that he seldom had to move his feet during the game.
I would be crazy to permit myself to fight with a six-foot tall high-school football player. He would be able to bust my nose while I was still in the next county.