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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 26, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by maggief

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To: floriduh voter

Do you have access to the medical report? All these inferences from a blurry video boggle my mind. Trayvon’s mother described these far-from-dispositive-images as “icing on the cake”. What kind of mother talks like that? Icing on the cake is a ‘bonus’, ‘gravy’, some little added extra to an already great prize:

“The job promotion was fabulous, but the new sports car was the icing on the cake”. [I got this illustration online; I didn’t make it up.]

Yes, the Mom is having an ‘icing on the cake’ day over the blurry video, but I wonder if you have anything less subjective to go by?

I sure hope so; otherwise, it sounds like Zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent.


451 posted on 03/30/2012 8:01:05 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: cracker45

I had not seen that. Thanks for the update.

Sounds to me as if Trayvon was in trouble. Each of his lengthier suspensions was for a more serious offense. The rap lyrics he chose to post gloried raw hate and violence. And what about the backback loaded w jewelry and a ‘flat head’ screwdriver for which he wasn’t even investigated? His parents’ reaction to that news is very disturbing. When your child is drifting into trouble, you can react at least one of two ways. (1) acknowledge the problem and potential risks and do something about it. (2) deny, deny deny.

It appears they chose (2). Very sad.


452 posted on 03/30/2012 8:06:46 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Maybe to show a 'poster' I posted it to who took his facts from a site WAGIST - who's Editor-in-Chief describes himself as a 'Leftist Progressive'. Maybe we should all do likewise and forget about all the divisions btw us and them and seek our facts from CBS as well while where at it? Thanks but no thanks......

Bye

453 posted on 03/30/2012 8:30:44 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Fantasywriter

It’s odd how the press doesn’t know EMT’s make reports when they treat someone... Have they even tried to get facts rather than just ‘feelings’ from racebaiters. There really IS hard information out there...


454 posted on 03/30/2012 8:41:51 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: anglian

So if a lefty discovers tweets to or from Trayvon, the tweets should be ignored, but if a conservative finds ***the exact same tweets*** we can talk about them?

Are you really this crazy? The tweets are the tweets. If you don’t like the content of the tweets, okay; I get that. But trying to discredit the actual tweets/info/evidence itself based on who dug them up is insane. Really, really lunatic stuff. I wouldn’t expect to see it on this site, but there’s a first time for everything I guess.

Oh and btw, when you are going to apologize for saying Wagist misidentified the sender of the tweets? That was a raw, naked falsehood. You need to own up to it, so as to salvage any tattered credibility you still possess.


455 posted on 03/30/2012 8:44:01 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: GOPJ

Excellent point. On top of which, I saw a still shot yesterday in which it appeared that Zimmerman had a horrible gash on the back of his scalp. If I were merely biased, I’d call that proof of his story. I’m willing to wait for the medical report, however. I’m more interested in the facts that in shilling for either side...which is far, far more than I can say for the majority of Trayvon’s defenders.


456 posted on 03/30/2012 8:47:27 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

HIs brother told Piers Morgan last night that he lied “more than his brother George.” I don’t trust any of George Z’s fmaily members and that is my opinion.


457 posted on 03/30/2012 10:02:36 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

Could you kindly provide that quote in context w a link? Thank you.


458 posted on 03/30/2012 10:06:44 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

YOu mean you didn’t watch CNN last night? I’ll find PIers’ Morgan’s page for you. I haven’t ever been there but I bet this interview is there or, they will probably replay it Saturday or Sunday night. He said he lied more ethan George or words to that effect. Then his brother’s expression went “ruh roh”.


459 posted on 03/30/2012 10:11:07 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

I look forward to reading the full, exact quote, in context, w a link.

Thank you in advance.


460 posted on 03/30/2012 10:12:59 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Transcript: Piers Morgan - March 29, 2012
MORGAN: Has George ever lied to you?

ZIMMERMAN: Not to my knowledge, no.

MORGAN: He's always been completely, 100 percent honest?

ZIMMERMAN: He's -- he would be the more honest of the two. The most honest brother. I would say. He's very straight and narrow. And you know, very helpful guy. Very concerned with his neighbor and the truth.


461 posted on 03/30/2012 10:15:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Thanks Cbold. Living up to your rep as a superlatively excellent poster, I see. ;)

If this is in fact the quote, no wonder I couldn’t find it on my own. It doesn’t look that damning to me. Saying someone is the more honest of two people isn’t calling either of them a liar per se. I try to be extremely honest myself, but I can point to people whom I consider more honest than I am despite my best efforts. If I couldn’t, I’d be a moral prig and a fathead.

Thanks again; the info is much appreciated.


462 posted on 03/30/2012 10:24:05 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Krankor; SamuraiScot
He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

If this is true, then his father was lying about Trayvon being suspended for being in an unauthorized place at school.

There are multiple versions of why Trayvon was suspended but all agree, he was suspended. So few facts have been established after one month. This delay has allowed wild speculation to go on and on.

FWIW I had heard a third explanation for his suspension, that Trayvon was suspended for beating his bus driver senseless. Of the three, the father's version [for being in an unauthorized area] is the least believable.

463 posted on 03/30/2012 2:41:35 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Fantasywriter

My pc decided to do auto updates when I went looking. I did find a yahoo link after I got back on line but it might not be the entire interview. You can ALWAYS go to cnn yourself to Piers Morgan page and find it yourself. I can’t believe the chair warmers who don’t know how to look things up themselves. If you don’t like this yahoo link, I recommend you go to CNN. I’ve been busy away from the pc today. Seek and you shall find, you know?

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/interview-piers-morgan-george-zimmermans-brother-breaks-silence-061641980.html


464 posted on 03/30/2012 2:49:43 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: ThirstyMan

He was suspended three different times for three different reasons. Once he was in an unauthorized place writing some graffitti. Once it was for tardiness, and once for the baggie. [This is from memory; I believe it’s accurate but someone may have the official list, which could differ on minor details.]

Trayvon was given a pass on having many valuable pieces of women’s jewelry and a flat-head screwdriver in his backpack. The school made no attempt whatever to find out if the jewelry was stolen.


465 posted on 03/30/2012 2:52:55 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: floriduh voter

See post 461. You should be ashamed of the degree to which you twisted and misrepresented that quote. Your hatred of Zimmerman came through loud and clear.


466 posted on 03/30/2012 3:02:20 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
"more honest could easily mean George is less of a liar than his brother. I don't hate Zimmerman. I don't think either of them is honest.

"More honest" does not mean 100%, completely honest. His brother will be a witness now regarding this interview if there's a trial. He will be cross examined on George being "More honest" than brother. How honest is more honest?

467 posted on 03/30/2012 3:23:05 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

You are shameless. You said George Zimmerman’s brother said he “lied” more than George. He said no such thing or even close. You claimed George’s brother talked about which of them “lied” the most. He did no such thing. Now you anticipate the brother being cross examined for praising his brother’s honesty, as if there’s something criminal/culpable about being honest. That is just so sick. Your hatred for George is over the top. Seek help.


468 posted on 03/30/2012 3:34:42 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
OK, interesting.
I wonder about him beating up the bus driver? Is that just anoher rumor? I believe that came from something his brother tweeted or FB'ed him.
The facts are so slow to appear in this case!!! More than a month has gone by and no autopsy report on the location of the wound? Nothing at all from any school associates? No confirmation of his suspensions and/or a history of violence?
469 posted on 03/30/2012 6:35:55 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan

The bus-driver assault story comes from Trayvon’s cousin. He tweeted Trayvon about something he evidently heard—that Trayvon ‘swung on a bus driver’. It seems pretty obvious it happened; otherwise, why would the cousin be talking about it?

The lack of information is probably a function of the parents. Every time the school releases info, the parents go ballistic and say the school is smearing their son. With lawyers coming out of the woodwork and Mom talking about ‘icing on the cake’ [her description of a video which she claims shows an uninjured George Zimmerman] it’s fairly obvious a major civil lawsuit is in the offing. Nobody wants to be liable, so the paucity of info will probably continue for a while.


470 posted on 03/30/2012 9:23:25 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter; floriduh voter

I agree with you; sounds like the brother was saying that George would NEVER tell a lie, wehereas the brother was admitting that he might bend the truth occasionally. Since it is George’s testimony to the police that we’re discussing, clearly that is an affirmation of George’s veracity. However “floriduh voter” came to the opposite conclusion is a mystery and suggests that he, despite his denial, is indeed a troll!

JC


471 posted on 03/31/2012 3:07:21 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: ThirstyMan

You need to do much more research friend. Martin was suspended three times, one for graffiti (in an unauthorized area), another for lateness/truancy and another (latest-2 weeks) for pot residue and a bong in his back pack. He ALSO had taken a swing at a bus driver, according to a relative’s tweet, AND had a watch, 12 items of women’s jewelry, along with a burglary tool ( wide-bladed, flat-head screw driver) in the same back pack that was searched resulting from the graffitti incident , but was not charged for that because the cops had no evidence that those items could be tied to a burglary. Makes me think that burglary was where he came up with the resources to have those gold teeth of his made! A wannabe gangster, IMO!!

JC


472 posted on 03/31/2012 3:23:50 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Fantasywriter

BINGO! Seems most of the perps’ families come up with that common meme: “but he was such a GOOD boy”, when in fact they had no idea what all types of criminal acts he was involved in. If either of my sons had been suspended, I would have been all over his a$$ like a pullet on a June bug, with severe repercussions and intrusions in their personal live and friends/parents they associated with. I would have also turned them in for burglaries and such, in order to nip in the bud a potential life of crime.

I still remember very well my father taking me to the first day of a new school and telling my teacher he expected her to beat my butt if I didn’t do that she said, AND to send a note home with me so he could beat my butt AGAIN! That was 60 years ago...

JC


473 posted on 03/31/2012 3:50:52 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: cracker45

Spot on. Your comment brings to mind a tagline I once nearly adopted:

Without illogic, liberals would have no logic at all.

That’s how I see the argument you cited. For example, if I say, ‘My pastor is more honest than I am’—which is certainly true so far as I have seen—am I somehow indicting us BOTH??? Could I be called into court (if the need arose) to testify against my pastor for saying he is uber-honest???

My cow; my head hurts from trying to make sense of such a proposition. Trayvon’s defenders would be better served by arguing rationally and factually, as opposed to the smear tactics I have seen so far.


474 posted on 03/31/2012 6:51:44 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: cracker45

Spot on. Your comment brings to mind a tagline I once nearly adopted:

Without illogic, liberals would have no logic at all.

That’s how I see the argument you cited. For example, if I say, ‘My pastor is more honest than I am’—which is certainly true so far as I have seen—am I somehow indicting us BOTH??? Could I be called into court (if the need arose) to testify against my pastor for saying he is uber-honest???

My cow; my head hurts from trying to make sense of such a proposition. Trayvon’s defenders would be better served by arguing rationally and factually, as opposed to the smear tactics I have seen so far.


475 posted on 03/31/2012 6:51:44 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: cracker45

I couldn’t believe the Dad going off at the school for mentioning the jewelry and ‘burglary tool’ in Trayvon’s backpack. Rather than accuse the school of “smearing” his son, he should have come at them w both guns blazing for ignoring what sure looks like breaking, entering and theft. He should have demanded to know why he wasn’t notified at the time.

Some of that jewelry had diamonds on it. The school officials bought Trayvon’s transparently stupid excuse (it’s not mine; I’m keeping it for someone) and just let it go??? No wonder the poor kid went wrong. Nobody in his life was disciplining him w any rhyme or reason. Ten days’ suspension for graffiti, but nothing for serious burglary. That sends a ludicrously bad signal—and the parents weren’t helping.


476 posted on 03/31/2012 6:57:13 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: cracker45

THAT was George Washington who would never tell a lie. Did you know that seven years ago, George Zimmerman beat up a cop and ended up in an anger managmment class? If you want the link, find it yourself. I heard it on the Radio which I cannot beam radio signals into your computer. : )


477 posted on 03/31/2012 12:14:23 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: cracker45; Alice in Wonderland
The civility on Trayvon Martin's web blogs is authentic. I can stop by here if I want to be disrespected or called names. I'm accepted there as a white conservative and lots of thumbs up when I say that we are all Americans. Has that occurred to anybody over here regarding this subject? I'm not even a boy troll. You can't even get my gender right.

Alice, you've been to Trayvon M's fb page. It's well run and there's no violent posts or personal attacks. That's a testament to Trayvon's parents efforts to be who they are and not become pawns for the likes of al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The breaking news is at Trayvon's page and I'm not linking it here cuz people can go to facebook by their own power.

478 posted on 03/31/2012 4:55:33 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: cracker45; Alice in Wonderland
The civility on Trayvon Martin's web blogs is authentic. I can stop by here if I want to be disrespected or called names. I'm accepted there as a white conservative and lots of thumbs up when I say that we are all Americans. Has that occurred to anybody over here regarding this subject? I'm not even a boy troll. You can't even get my gender right.

Alice, you've been to Trayvon M's fb page. It's well run and there's no violent posts or personal attacks. That's a testament to Trayvon's parents efforts to be who they are and not become pawns for the likes of al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The breaking news is at Trayvon's page and I'm not linking it here cuz people can go to facebook by their own power.

479 posted on 03/31/2012 4:55:50 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: cracker45; Alice in Wonderland
The civility on Trayvon Martin's web blogs is authentic. I can stop by here if I want to be disrespected or called names. I'm accepted there as a white conservative and lots of thumbs up when I say that we are all Americans. Has that occurred to anybody over here regarding this subject? I'm not even a boy troll. You can't even get my gender right.

Alice, you've been to Trayvon M's fb page. It's well run and there's no violent posts or personal attacks. That's a testament to Trayvon's parents efforts to be who they are and not become pawns for the likes of al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The breaking news is at Trayvon's page and I'm not linking it here cuz people can go to facebook by their own power.

480 posted on 03/31/2012 4:56:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Obamacare is to you as a can of RAID is to a bug. R A I D !)
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To: floriduh voter

New tag line.


481 posted on 03/31/2012 4:58:46 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Trayvon Martin was shot dead no matter what side you say you are on.)
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To: floriduh voter

482 posted on 03/31/2012 5:08:16 PM PDT by tomkat (ya never know)
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To: tomkat

I never could do the rubix cube. How many times to I have to say I am waiting for the DA and the grand jury? I think I’ve said it plenty this past week. In the land of Casey Anthony, George Z. could get a trial and get off scott free anyway. All these kids in Florida are dying every day and if you just look at that, it’s not right.


483 posted on 03/31/2012 6:29:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Trayvon Martin was shot dead no matter what side you say you are on.)
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To: tomkat; All

I dohave a for reals questions. I thought Spike Lee was on a federal prison for tax evasion. Did he get out or is he tweeting from tax prison? Does anyone know if Spike Lee is in prison right now? Pls advise. Oh, yeah, what he did was wrong, stupid and careless. He’ll be paying for that couple’s hotel room and them some.


484 posted on 03/31/2012 6:31:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Trayvon Martin was shot dead no matter what side you say you are on.)
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To: tomkat

I have my distance glasses on so spelling like crud. Anyway, if I was typing for work, I would have my contacts in.


485 posted on 03/31/2012 6:32:17 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Trayvon Martin was shot dead no matter what side you say you are on.)
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To: tomkat; Alice in Wonderland
JUDGE JEANNE PIROT said George Zimmerman made mistake after mistake and Trayvon Martin who had a right to be where he was is dead. That we do know as of right now.

Who will be the first to call Judge Jeanne Pirot a troll? I'm waiting.

I'm with Judge Jeanne Pirot.

486 posted on 03/31/2012 7:01:21 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: floriduh voter
Have you seen this: Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

They're become rabid over there and have called the Viking Kitties to attack a newbie - demas415 - who has stated the Zimmerman received special treatment because the Chief of Police and the DA (who traveled 50 miles) were present during his questioning.

Earlier, someone posted this fake FB page. It has been removed.


487 posted on 03/31/2012 7:17:10 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Of course that was Trayvon screaming. That is the voice of a 17 year old. Dad was in shadow on tv the other night because he knows he fixed things with the DA for his son who beat up a cop seven years ago and went into anger mgmt and also had a history of domestic violence. And, all protectors of everything George Zimmerman, GZ is a democrat.

Finally, 192,000 posters at facebook are now aware that except for one host, Fox News is sympathetic to Trayvon Martin and his family. Hannity's lost his marbles on this matter. He's been wrong before and when Hannity is wrong, he can't change course. I posted at facebook that one thing about Fox News is that they "love their children".

488 posted on 03/31/2012 7:28:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: floriduh voter
Judge doesn't necessarily and/or always equate to smart .. search in here for Kagan or Sotomayer for ironclad proof.
Bear in mind (or bare if you prefer) that Pirot's legal background is in NY state, home to some of the most anti-2nd totalitarianism in the nation.
Her opinion on FL self-defense law is not necessarily germane.

Your spelling's fine for a Saturday night, as is posting w/o contacts.
Back in the day, it's rumored that I posted some weekends w/o the top two or three levels of cognitive function intact   ;-)

Finally and unfortunately, not only is S.Lee not in prison, the miserable little bastard's still alive.

Get some sleep .. g'night

489 posted on 03/31/2012 7:32:47 PM PDT by tomkat (resistor)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Mama Zimmerman not a peep. She doesn’t dare become public. IMO, Zimmerman’s a mama’s boy and if that gets out, it’s going to make him look like an even bigger doofus. George Zimmerman is enabled, much like Casey Anthony was enabled and both are path liars. Why does Florida not take pathological liars seriously? seriesly. This is hugh.


490 posted on 03/31/2012 7:35:19 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: tomkat

He wasn’t in jail very long. I also think Roseanne Barr is a nutjob. Good night.


491 posted on 03/31/2012 7:37:28 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: cracker45

I grew up the same way, cracker. Amazing how the standard is lowered for kids these days. Course when you look at parents of these kids it’s understandable.


492 posted on 03/31/2012 7:46:00 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: freeangel

“It’s going to make me want to walk into a black church on a Sunday wearing a hoodie...”

Uhh - are you aware most black crime is against other blacks? Show up in a hoodie and acting crazy and you may be removed from the church.

Many American Blacks like thugs even less than we do.


493 posted on 04/01/2012 9:06:39 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: floriduh voter

“All these kids in Florida are dying every day and if you just look at that, it’s not right.”

Those are not kids. They are Urban Ferals.

Libtards are whining because one of them attacked a white who was carrying and was not willing to submit to a beating (or worse).

Under both Florida and US law, one need not submit to a severe beating or to being killed.

Treyvon signed his own death warrant with his thuggish behavior, which behavior then forced Zimmerman to pull a trigger.


494 posted on 04/01/2012 9:17:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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