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Trayvon Martin shooting: George Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering his head
Orlando Sentinel via Sun-Sentinel ^ | Monday, March 26, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:43:45 AM PDT by kristinn

...Police Say

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened, but that night, Feb. 26, and in later meetings he described and re-enacted for police what he says happened.

In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

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Police have been reluctant to provided details about all their evidence, but this is what they've disclosed to the Sentinel:

Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: assault; georgezimmerman; trayvonassaultedz; trayvonassaults; trayvonmartin
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To: kristinn

Another Tawana Brawley case only this time the perp got what he deserved?


51 posted on 03/26/2012 9:16:02 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: AlmaKing
That negates any self defense argument in my book.

What "book" would that be? Das Kapitol? Mien Kamph?

In MY book: The Declaration and Constitution, it says INNOCENT. UNTIL. PROVEN. GUILTY. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

And say any thing you want about it, the one thing that IS TRUE: There is more than enough doubt to go around.

52 posted on 03/26/2012 9:16:10 AM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: AlmaKing
‘Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.’
That negates any self defense argument in my book.

Other reports said he, Zimmerman, was walking back to his car when he was jumped! Let this thing play out and let's see what happens.

53 posted on 03/26/2012 9:17:01 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: AlmaKing

following is not a crime, assaulting is.

Here in FL we have a right to defense and when one is on the ground, being pummeled then you have that right by our laws here.
Witnesses also state this happened.


54 posted on 03/26/2012 9:17:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: himno hero

I guess getting out of your car in your own neighborhood must “negate any self defense argument” if you’re attacked when you do so...

yeah, that’s a little tough to swallow.


55 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Wizdum
Zimmerman will go down for Manslaughter.

It is becoming more obvious by the day now, that Mr. Zimmerman likely committed no crime whatsoever, and it was justifiable self defense. However, with the boldly racist attorney general Eric Holder making an arrest because he feels it's warranted, regardless of the facts, and then getting an all black jury empaneled, I don't have to strain much to see it happen as you suggest. We have fallen very far, and to very dangerous ground.
56 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: KansasGirl

our local news is now turning against the black panthers and mentioning the facts, shame other media outlets in states which do not have our laws do not understand how our laws work and still pout out photos of a kid aged 12 and 13


57 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: kristinn
He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.

And just after I read another story that claimed he was suspended for being tardy too often.
58 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by andyk (Tax credits for your kids == Welfare)
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To: kristinn

I read one report over the weekend that said Zimmerman suffered a broken nose in the attack. If that is true, it would explain the screaming in the background. A broken nose hurts like hell. And to have an ongoing attack, he must have thought is today the day I die? This telling of what happened has the ring of truth to it. It is the kind of thing that has happened to all to many people for just looking at someone the wrong way and then ending with a beat down. There is a class of people ( and this has nothing to do with race.... for those inclined to scream) in this country that act like wild animals. Look at me wrong ( by my definition) and you are dead.


59 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:39 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: junta

In the parlance of bar room altercations. The kid made the mistake of going back in. Zimmerman made the mistake of turning his back to the door.


60 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:45 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ClearCase_guy
This is a 17-year-old kid wearing a hoody. He was doing nothing wrong so far as we know. Zimmerman "got out of his SUV". It's not clear why a scuffle arose or who attacked who or why.
61 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:52 AM PDT by Lexinom (Mitt < 1,144)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The truth won’t come out. This is beyond the truth now. If he had a gun, and tried to shoot Zimmerman, the truth wouldn’t matter. It is in the race politics realm now, and Mr Zimmerman had better be prepared to loose everything.

He is a half Jew half Hispanic that shot a black teenager. If you wanted to incite a racial incident, that is a perfect set up.


62 posted on 03/26/2012 9:19:24 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kristinn
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.

Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Read the article folks, there is evidence and an eye witness.

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63 posted on 03/26/2012 9:19:39 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Wizdum

Your crystal ball is cloudy.... better go back to the magic eight ball


64 posted on 03/26/2012 9:20:01 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: kristinn
Are there any recent photos of Martin posted online?

(Not the young one that Obama said looked like his son, but the bigger, burlier older guy that he really was).

65 posted on 03/26/2012 9:20:03 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I once followed a group of black teenagers into a Korean dress shop in Manhattan where they promptly surrounded the female cashier in what I stupidly took to be a somewhat suspicious manner. It turned out they were looking for Size 2 Norma Kamali dresses! (That’s sarcasm.)

Do ANY of you freepers live where frightening black teenagers threaten, rape and murder people???


66 posted on 03/26/2012 9:20:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The retard poster who thinks the law is based on opinion statute.


67 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:15 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: kristinn

YOU WILL FIND THAT FACTS DON’T MATTER, THE ONLY THAT MATTERS IS HATE, AND IT MUST BE KEPT FLOWIN’


68 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:24 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Jack Hydrazine

was it smart of Mr Z to ignore the dispatcher and
contiinue to follow young Master M? No.
But disobeying a dispatcher is not evidence of a crime.

Was it murder? No one can say. No witness saw
a murder, nor has video has surfaced till now showing
a murder.

I don’t see how this goes anywhere except maybe an action
for ‘conspiracy to deprive him of his civil rights’, a federal beef.

And even that is a stretch, since there is no evidence of
any conspiracy.

bottom line is that there is no evidence of a crime here,
unless you count Martin’s attack on Z.


69 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:24 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: dragonblustar
What do you suppose will happen to those T-shirt sales if it turns out witness reports about Martin bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete are true?
70 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AlmaKing

There are also conflicting witness reports. I am not willing to demonize Zimmerman as a racist thug who acted with deliberate malice in the shooting of Martin, but his account still leaves too many questions.

I am still of the opinion that he instigated a confrontation which escalated with a physical confrontation the end result being the death of Martin. Did actions by both men contribute to the death of Martin? Yes. Could this have been avoided if Zimmerman had not followed Martin? Yes.


71 posted on 03/26/2012 9:22:40 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: NormsRevenge
This troubles me. Sorry, it just does.

If I am walking down the sidewalk in my neighborhood, and someone is following me in their car and then pulls over and gets out, I have the right to ask what the hell they are doing. I do NOT have the right to knock them down and bash their head repeatedly into the sidewalk unless they have acted with some kind of force against me, such as punching me or drawing a knife or a gun.

Unless it can be proven that Zimmerman grabbed Martin, threw a punch at Martin or drew on Martin unprovoked (such as to try and detain him), and therefore Martin thought he was fighting for his life against an attacker, the level of force of bashing someone's head against a sidewalk is no way proportional to someone else following you. Realize that the act of bashing someone's head against the sidewalk is and of itself an escalation to potentially deadly force.

There are still a lot of big 'ifs' here, we're getting dribs and drabs. I am not ruling out that the level of force Martin used was excessive if we find out something more in the coming days about what happened in that minute or so where the cops seem to have a gap. But unless we hear something that we have not heard to date, my opinion is that Marin used deadly force and it rose to the level of excessive force that gave Zimmerman reasonable concern to respond with deadly force in turn - because someone can kill you bashing your head on the sidewalk.

72 posted on 03/26/2012 9:22:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: NormsRevenge

He was part of neighborhood watch. He followed and when told to not follow he turned and started back to his vehicle. Zimmerman did EXACTLY what he should have done.

That this bothers you tells me I may not want you as a neighbor. I pay close attention to who is in our neighborhood. If someone looks dicey I follow them a short distance just so they know people pay attention. I do not confront I do not provoke. I say nothing. I merely follow on a public sidewalk.


73 posted on 03/26/2012 9:23:30 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: AlmaKing

er here in FL when someone is on the floor being punched and having your head whacked against the concrete then you have the right to defend yourself.

That is the law here , maybe not where you live, d you live in the north east by any chance?

Also could you tell me where it is illegal to get out of your car and follow someone with our FL laws?

Thank you.


74 posted on 03/26/2012 9:24:29 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: AlmaKing

Digging little deeper into the story reveals that according to police, Zimmerman was heading back to his SUV when Martin approached him from behind Words were exchanged and then Martin punched Zimmerman in the nose, breaking it and sending him to the ground. There he repeatedly slammed Zimmerman’s head into the ground and it is then that Zimmerman shot Martin the chest.

So, Zimmerman had already backed off. It was Martin who started the confrontation.

Clear of all charges IMHO.


75 posted on 03/26/2012 9:24:38 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: babygene

Not it does not. But it does mean that Martin may have viewed Zimmerman as a threat.


76 posted on 03/26/2012 9:24:46 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: kristinn

It sounded like self defense yesterday, and that the blaxploitation hoodie marches were way out of line.

Now that I’ve heard zimmerman’s ugly racism on the 911 call, I’m thinking Zimmerman may have instigated. He may have called trayvon an ugly name. That could be why he was beat down.


77 posted on 03/26/2012 9:24:46 AM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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To: AlmaKing

Good thing your book is not the law.


78 posted on 03/26/2012 9:24:52 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: AlmaKing

It doesn’t in a court of law. He followed him, gave up following him and was headed back to his vehicle and was attacked. Hope you never served on a jury — or ever serve on one.


79 posted on 03/26/2012 9:25:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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No rush to judgement on either side, please.

We have heard some of the statement from Zimmerman. People are jumping on this to prove self-defense.

Let’s wait for a statement from Martin... oh, that’s right, he’s dead.
So that must mean that Zimmerman’s story is rock-solid truth, right????

So, let’s hold on til the investigation takes its course. Be interesting to discover trajectory of bullet, distance traveled...

The evidence won’t lie. Where’s Horatio Caine and his CSI team when needed????


80 posted on 03/26/2012 9:25:29 AM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: Lady Lucky

He probably needed a drink. I would after this order of events..


81 posted on 03/26/2012 9:26:20 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: dragonblustar

This “man” looks like a poofter to me, so I’m sure he knows what it’s like to be a “P*ssy *ss.”


82 posted on 03/26/2012 9:26:22 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: 2harddrive

“Wow! It looks like all of Black America owes George Zimmerman an APOLOGY”


Well if the FACTS do show Zimmerman was attacked please do not hold your breath waiting for one apology let alone from all of them.

That is not how the race game is played.

You must be a victim all the time. Make no mention of the 51 shootings in Chicago or the 90+ couple where the wife was killed and her husband of 65 years beaten nearly to death. Those shootings/beatings do not fit the race card narrative.

With this president the only industry growing is the printing of race cards.


83 posted on 03/26/2012 9:26:59 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: ClearCase_guy

And since when is one’s neighborhood a jungle? Martin was an outsider, in your analogy a rogue mountain lion and we know what happens to mouton lions in the burbs


84 posted on 03/26/2012 9:27:17 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Truth29

Thanks, I now see the article. Funny how that happens, maybe to many hits?


85 posted on 03/26/2012 9:27:45 AM PDT by tcat
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To: dirtboy

Exactly. The 911 operator suggested that Zimmerman not follow Martin. Also, a 911 operator is a 911 operator; not a LEO.


86 posted on 03/26/2012 9:27:52 AM PDT by floralamiss
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To: ClearCase_guy

“A lot of what is being reported isn’t worth spit.”

The Orlando media is doing a pretty good job.


87 posted on 03/26/2012 9:27:52 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: kristinn
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer

The "knockout" game?

88 posted on 03/26/2012 9:28:08 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: ClearCase_guy

Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2863797/posts?q=1&;page=64


89 posted on 03/26/2012 9:28:40 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: mbarker12474

Z is calling Tray the ugliest names on a recorded 911 call. What if he called this guy minding his own business an ugly name? If you were provoked with the rudest ethnic slur, you might hit the guy. That could have started the whole interaction.

I hate to be on trayvon’s side here but that recording changes things. This is a hate crime now.

If someone called my son that, he could swing a punch if he wanted. Now, smash his brain on the sidewalk, that’s a bit much. But I think slinging ethnic crudeness IS AN ATTACK.


90 posted on 03/26/2012 9:30:32 AM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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To: mbarker12474

Z is calling Tray the ugliest names on a recorded 911 call. What if he called this guy minding his own business an ugly name? If you were provoked with the rudest ethnic slur, you might hit the guy. That could have started the whole interaction.

I hate to be on trayvon’s side here but that recording changes things. This is a hate crime now.

If someone called my son that, he could swing a punch if he wanted. Now, smash his brain on the sidewalk, that’s a bit much. But I think slinging ethnic crudeness IS AN ATTACK.


91 posted on 03/26/2012 9:30:32 AM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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To: mbarker12474

your hypothetical is pointless since it no way describes what is claimed to have happened that night.


92 posted on 03/26/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: RitchieAprile

“was it smart of Mr Z to ignore the dispatcher and
contiinue to follow young Master M? No.
But disobeying a dispatcher is not evidence of a crime.”

There had been a number of break-ins in the neighborhood by young, Black men and he was concerned that Trayvon might be another burglar. He didn’t disobey the 911 operator. They have no power to compel anyone to do anything. The Sanford PD said it was a suggestion with no legal force of a command.

“Was it murder? No one can say. No witness saw
a murder, nor has video has surfaced till now showing
a murder.”

Actually, there are about six witnesses who all corroborate what they saw happen to Mr. Zimmerman and it lines up with his statements given to police.

“I don’t see how this goes anywhere except maybe an action
for ‘conspiracy to deprive him of his civil rights’, a federal beef.”

Deprive his civil rights in what way?

“bottom line is that there is no evidence of a crime here,
unless you count Martin’s attack on Z.”

And if Martin was bashing Zimmerman’s head against the concrete which could have resulted in death do you think that Zimmerman had a right to defend his life with lethal force?


93 posted on 03/26/2012 9:31:22 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: thethirddegree

There is not evidence that Martin was engaged in criminal activity when Zimmerman reported his presence to police. So your “save the taxpayers money” argument is hockey pucks. Florida is a death penalty state but does not levy the death penalty for assault (if Zimmerman’s account is 100% factual) nor does it levy it for having been suspended for suspected marijuana possession.


94 posted on 03/26/2012 9:31:27 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: AlmaKing
‘Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.’

That negates any self defense argument in my book.

___________________________________________________________________________

Too bad your book (opinion) is meaningless in this issue.

Zimmerman was a legitimate member of a city sanctioned Neighborhood Watch program, he was acting as a member of that sanctioned watch on PRIVATE PROPERTY in a gated community he was member of in a high crime area, and there is no evidence that in any way threatened Martin in any way.

Martin was NOT a resident of the gated community, nor was his Father. It is reputed that his father's fiancee does own a home in the community.

By all witness accounts Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind while Zimmerman was walking back to his truck and then proceeded to beat Zimmerman severely while Zimmerman was on the ground helpless and screaming. Zimmerman sustained a broken nose and lacerations to his head in the attack.

If this holds up, Martin was 100% at fault.

The “ went out for skittles for a Basket ball game” story is inconsistent with the fact that Martins body reputedly went unidentified for three full days before being identified or claimed.

If there was shooting of a black teenager in a gated community and your black teenager went missing at the same time it is reasonable to assume that one would have some concerns about Martin not coming home in time for the game. There seems to be a lot to this story we are not hearing.

95 posted on 03/26/2012 9:32:35 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: AlmaKing
‘Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.’

That negates any self defense argument in my book.


So, according to you, if you get out of your car, and follow someone acting suspiciously, you forfeit the right to self defense??? Do you seriously mean what you just said? That is just a terrible thing to say, and the implications of what you said are staggering.
96 posted on 03/26/2012 9:32:53 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Vigilanteman

“What do you suppose will happen to those T-shirt sales if it turns out witness reports about Martin bashing Zimmerman’s head into the concrete are true?”

###

They will continue to sell like hotcakes.

Since when have inconvenient facts gotten in the way of the black racist, entitlement agenda?


97 posted on 03/26/2012 9:32:58 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: NormsRevenge
Putting my self in Zimmerman's shoes, I can see getting out of the truck.

There's been alot of crime, he's part of the watch group...and is supposed to be on the lookout for ‘suspicious behavior’, he sees an unfamiliar face, this person goes someplace where Zimmerman can't see him from the street (possibly behind buildings).

Is Zimmerman supposed to just sit and do nothing? I have to admit, I would get out of the car, and try to trail the guy, until the police got there.

Now, Zimmerman seems like an over-zealous 911 junkie. I get that. And, he set up a situation - he followed Martin, so Martin walked faster and looked even more suspicious. I get that. Zimmerman set up an awkward situation. But (and this hasn't been proven I know), if Martin attacked Zimmerman, I don't blame Zimmerman. Awkwardly following somebody is weird and uncalled for...but the response to that is not assault. By all accounts, Martin had a phone...if he felt threatened, he could have called the police, the same way Zimmerman did.

98 posted on 03/26/2012 9:33:20 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

He’s/She’s just another one of our beloved, Leftist FReepers that loves to attack with empty accusations but can’t even defend his/her own words. That’s classic Leftism right there!


99 posted on 03/26/2012 9:33:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: tcat
This article has also been scrubbed?

No it hasn't, it's there.

100 posted on 03/26/2012 9:34:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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