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Rich Lowry: This time, Sharpton gets it right
Sun Journal ^ | Monday, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:12 am | Rich Lowry

Posted on 03/26/2012 9:16:12 AM PDT by Red Steel

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"Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him from behind, and he fired in self-defense. But while he was on the line with 911, Zimmerman was the one chasing Martin....

"Zimmerman brought about an utterly unnecessary confrontation and then — in the most favorable interpretation of the facts for him — shot Martin when he began to lose a fistfight to him. "

The most 'favorable interpretation' Lowry? Really?

What I've read, Zimmerman lost Martin and it was Martin who doubled back to jump Zimmerman. Following a person versus one being the violent aggressor is a huge distinction.

1 posted on 03/26/2012 9:16:15 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Rich Lowry is an idiot of the first order. This proves it.


2 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:01 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Red Steel
As usual, our pundits are behind the curve.
3 posted on 03/26/2012 9:18:08 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Red Steel

Sure glad there’s the internet, where mere bloggers consistently display orders of magnitude more journalist talent than our MSM ‘tards.

Hey Rich Lowry, try for something you can do....like...ditch digging.


4 posted on 03/26/2012 9:20:11 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Red Steel

Trayvon Martin shooting: George Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him, then began hammering his head

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2863975/posts


5 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:45 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Red Steel
Rich Lowry

A prominent voice for the Republican establishment.

I'm a bit baffled as to why they feel compelled to speak to this.

My guess is that the need they feel to be loved and accepted by the Democrat Media is overwhelming.

6 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In self-evident truth, in timeless principle, in the people themselves, lie our republic's only hope)
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To: Red Steel

Lowry and Sharpton are both ignint.


7 posted on 03/26/2012 9:22:55 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: EternalVigilance

The DC/media nexus live in a colored prism that effects clear thinking.


8 posted on 03/26/2012 9:26:32 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Try this one...the other one might have been a dupe...all I know is it disappeared from heading up breaking:

Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2863974/posts


9 posted on 03/26/2012 9:26:38 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think NR pundits such as Lowry have had any concept of needing a neighborhood watch or needing to defend youself removed from their brains out of overexposure to the Beltway mindset of letting someone else do it for you. That comes to mind with Santorum’s comments as well.


10 posted on 03/26/2012 9:29:49 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Chgogal
Yes, after the article that was posted this morning it appears Lowry is wrong. Very embarrasing.
11 posted on 03/26/2012 9:33:15 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Red Steel
During halftime of the NBA All-Star Game, Martin left the home of his father's girlfriend to walk to the local 7-Eleven for Skittles and iced tea. It was about 7 p.m., and he caught the attention of 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who had taken it upon himself to patrol the neighborhood armed with a gun. He considered Martin suspicious and called 911, which dispatched police. Ignoring the 911 operator's urging not to pursue Martin, Zimmerman followed the young man, got into an altercation with him and shot him dead.

Zimmerman wasn't "self appointed". He volunteered when ASKED by his local community.

He didn't call 911, he called the non-emergency number.

He DID comply with the Dispatchers request he not follow Martin, that was when he got jumped.

Zimmerman didn't shoot him dead until after the kid was on his chest trying to bash in his skull...

Conclusion, Lowry is a moron and the entire MSM has it's collective head up it's ass...

12 posted on 03/26/2012 9:34:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Da Coyote

“...try for something you can do....like...ditch digging.”

That’s above his pay-grade, too. He’s unqualified for squat, based upon all the many, many wrong/ignorant/biased “facts” he presents in this poorly-written article, DC.


13 posted on 03/26/2012 9:37:11 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: WashingtonSource

Lowry is just afraid of being called a racist. Being on Sharpton’s side on this allows him to claim he is “racially sensitive”.


14 posted on 03/26/2012 9:38:25 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Dead Corpse

More lies - tip off was 7:30 so halfime couldn’t have been at 7:00


15 posted on 03/26/2012 9:38:40 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: Dead Corpse

Well said, DC.


16 posted on 03/26/2012 9:38:48 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Red Steel

Where’s the outrage over the 13 year old WHITE boy who had gas poured on him and LIT by 2 BLACK kids???? The selective outrage of these racists who are trying to bury Zimmerman is sickening. Now we know 6’2” Martin was suspended for 10 days for assaulting a bus driver and he had Zimmerman on the ground slamming his head against the concrete.

Obama is planning on calling the burned boy’s mother any time now......


17 posted on 03/26/2012 9:40:43 AM PDT by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: Enterprise

Even if Sharpton was right, (which he’s not), why give credence to a reprobate at all? All of these, freaking, lawyers without degrees are making me gag!


18 posted on 03/26/2012 9:42:01 AM PDT by old school
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To: Red Steel
Rich Lowry is a first class dip-shit carrying the water for race provocateurs across the country.
19 posted on 03/26/2012 9:42:43 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: carriage_hill

For some journalists, it’s not about how right you are, but about how many lies you can get out there and make people believe.


20 posted on 03/26/2012 9:43:35 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (To sin by silence when we should protest, makes cowards of men -Ella Wheeler Wilcox)
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To: Red Steel
Sharpon doesn't get crap and neither do you Mr. Lowry!

Mr. Zimmerman didn't assault anyone.

Mr. Zimmerman was the one being attacked by Martin says eye witness.

...facts don't matter, the srcipt was already written.

21 posted on 03/26/2012 9:44:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Red Steel

Lowry is WRONG
freegards
LEX


22 posted on 03/26/2012 9:46:48 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Shimmer1

On both sides of the fence, sad to say.


23 posted on 03/26/2012 9:49:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Red Steel

To quote bill maher, that great left wing political pundit, “ rich lowry is a c&nt and a tw!t”.


24 posted on 03/26/2012 10:04:02 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Red Steel

Zimmerman was walking away when Martin attacked him from behind. Martin - 6’2”, not the cute little 12- or 13-year-old in the carefully released photos - was on top of Zimmerman, banging his head against the sidewalk. Zimmerman had a broken nose and wounds on the back of his head - confirming with EVIDENCE the fact that he was attacked. There’s a witness who backs up this sequence of events. Martin’s own father initially stated that the person calling for help on the 911 tape was NOT his son - so it must have been Zimmerman.

Now, to be fair, perhaps Zimmerman was a bit too aggressive in following Martin. However, the initial confrontation ENDED, and Zimmerman was walking away. Had Martin done the same, he’d be very much alive at this moment. Instead, Martin chose to attack Zimmerman and put him in fear of his life, so he’s dead. THIS IS WHY THE COPS HAVEN’T CHARGED ZIMMERMAN - BECAUSE HE PROPERLY DEFENDED HIS LIFE.

Lowry is a moron, for the simple reason that he’s not looking at the facts.


25 posted on 03/26/2012 10:05:46 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Red Steel

Lowry = Vichy Republican


26 posted on 03/26/2012 10:07:17 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Red Steel

Does Lowry work for MSNBC too?


27 posted on 03/26/2012 10:12:51 AM PDT by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government's footprint!)
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To: klb99

Ahh, I’m behind the curve. Where’d you hear about the 10 days? I heard 5 and I heard that nobody knows why.


28 posted on 03/26/2012 10:21:21 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Red Steel

Wow Lowry is off on so many items in this article is astonishing.

No one was ‘forced’ off the police force, for one. Or ‘forced’ to step down.

Corrupt media. They make me sick.

Geesh.


29 posted on 03/26/2012 10:21:56 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Red Steel
What Lowry writes here is idiocy bordering on dishonesty. He writes of the phone conversation between Trayvon and his girlfriend:

At the same time, Martin talked on his cellphone to his girlfriend, complaining of a man watching him. She told him to run away, which he apparently did during the interval Zimmerman was on with 911. The girlfriend claims she heard Martin say, "What are you following me for?" before the call went dead.

There is no recording of this call. This girlfriend, a minor, has not spoken publicly. This call has only been described by the Martin family lawyer. So how does Lowry know what was said on this call? He doesn't.

30 posted on 03/26/2012 10:28:25 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Red Steel

Lowry has spent too much time with liberals. And Sharpton is never right. Even if Zimmerman is a criminal, Sharpton is not right. He is a race-baiter and race rioter. He wants to make self defense illegal (we all know why) and he wants to make Americans think that all whites are racist and must pay.\


31 posted on 03/26/2012 10:30:16 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rogue yam

Memorable Rich Lowry headlines now include, “Al Sharpton was Right”, and “Heed the 99%”. Lowry is such a worthless conservative and boring writer, that he needs to create outrageous headlines for his columns to attract attention. He is the Mitt Romney of being selected Editor of National Review. Worst possible choice.


32 posted on 03/26/2012 10:31:47 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Red Steel

I don’t think we can say what actually happened at this time. There have been a lot of different descriptions of the event, and they are contradictory.

I’ve been swayed back and forth as different evidence comes forth. I also know my interpretation is clouded by my opinion about getting out and initiating a confrontation once you have involved police — but that is what I would do, and that has no bearing on legality.

I don’t think that walking after a person to ask them what they are doing is a crime (on the other hand, I didn’t think asking teens if they wanted a ride in a snowstorm was a crime either, but someone got a ticket for it and was threatened with incarceration so what do I know).

Certainly having a gun isn’t a crime. And using a gun if you are being beat up isn’t a crime, at least not in Florida. I wouldn’t shoot a person to stop getting beat up, but we don’t even know if there was a struggle for the gun or not. For all we know, Martin saw the gun, grabbed for it, and while they were fighting over the weapon, it went off and killed him.

What do we really know? We know that Martin is dead. We know that Zimmerman’s gun shot him. We know that Zimmerman was in a car, and got out of the car. We know (because we have an eyewitness) that at one point, Zimmerman was underneath Martin. We know that Zimmerman has a broken nose (his lawyer told us this), and I think we know zimmerman has grass stains on his clothes (again indicating he was underneath).

What we have SOME evidence for? We know someone was shouting help. We know Zimmerman said it was him, and a friend said it was his voice. The family insists it was Martin; We’ve heard the tapes, and I think it sounds more like an adult than a kid, but on the other hand Martin isn’t the 14-year-old they show pictures of.

We have evidence that Zimmerman has friends who are black, who will vouch that he isn’t a racist looking to kill black people (note that we DO have evidence that black people are looking to have Zimmerman killed). We have also been told that there was no bullet in the chamber of the gun, and no bullets missing from the clip.

What don’t we know that the police surely know? Well, other than the report of a broken nose, we don’t know what evidence the police have regarding the struggle. Does Martin have any bruises or other signs of being hit? Does Zimmerman have other signs of a struggle? Where are the powder burns, etc, to suggest how the gun was oriented when it went off? One expert suggests that the lack of chambered round means the gun was being held when it was shot, but the police would know that. We don’t know how big Martin was, or whether he had any self-defense training, to decide whether it is credible that he would be a threat (only unsourced reports that he was 6 foot 3 inches, and another that he was 140 pounds, which seems unlikely to both be correct).

I could paint a picture “most favorable” to BOTH men, and it wouldn’t mean a crime was committed. Martin is walking and sees a big hispanic guy following him. It makes him scared. He starts walking fast because of his girlfriend’s suggestion, but then he hears the guy coming up on him. Maybe he even sees the gun, and thinks he is about to get robbed or assaulted by a gang member or something. So he ducks behind something, and as Martin comes up, he jumps him to try to get the gun away from him just so Zimmerman doesn’t shoot him.

Zimmerman isn’t trying to confront the guy, just wants to keep an eye on him so when the police get there he can say where he is. Then the guy jumps him. He gets knocked down, and starts yelling for help. Then the guy is reaching for his weapon, and Zimmerman is sure Martin is going to take the gun and shoot him. Zimmerman fights over the gun with Martin, and it goes off, killing Martin. Then the police show up, and Zimmerman describes what happend.

If this ended up with Martin alive and Zimmerman dead, I could argue that it was just an unfortunate accident, that Martin had a reason to be afraid (I know, that would be racist — he probably wouldn’t have been afraid of some middle-age white guy, but a mean-looking Hispanic?) Martin, fearing for his life, would have some right to take pre-emptive action, including jumping the guy to grab the weapon. Stupid, but probably not illegal in the end.

But apparently, nobody thinks that an unarmed man can be killed, and it not be a crime. Sometimes everything just goes bad, and you get unlucky, and nobody was trying to do anything criminal, and still someone is dead.

I could also describe this in a way that Martin was guilty of assault, or that Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder. We just don’t have enough evidence available to us as non-involved observers.


33 posted on 03/26/2012 10:47:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

That seems awfully complicated.

It seems like it would be a lot more efficient to just have a panel of bloggers and MSNBC talk show hosts declare the guy guilty and move on.

Just think...we don’t need prosecutors, judges, or juries anymore. Think of the money we’ll save and the “justice” we’ll all have.


35 posted on 03/26/2012 11:00:23 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Windy City Conservative
the notorious lynching of Emmett Till in 1950s Mississippi. On a visit from Chicago, the 14-year-old Till talked to a white woman

Uh, Rich, just for good measure: Till didn't "talk" to a white woman. He was a wiseguy from the big city who strolled into a small town and whistled at a white woman. That ticked off the locals because she was someone's wife—specifically the wife of the owner of the local store that sold household goods in the black neighborhood. Both blacks and whites in front of the store saw this.

Now, I'm not condoning rounding someone up and hanging him just because he's an a$$%^&*. But where are the feminazis calling for capital punishment for intimidation and sexual harassment? The many facets of the liberal religion never square with each other. Because it's all insincere.

36 posted on 03/26/2012 11:01:24 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Red Steel

The media just cannot spin enough on thi story, it seems:
The media & their version of anything these days makes me trust them less and less.

Now, almost every account says Zimmerman was ‘CHASING’ Martin, when it is clear from the call to 911 that he is FOLLOWING Martin.

BIG difference.

Then he temporarily loses sight of the kid.

IF the kid doubled back & attacked Zimmerman, that changes everything. Being attacked with a 20-24 ounce can of anything is capable of hurting you plenty hard.

Zimmerman has a broken nose. I NEVER heard of anyone breaking their own nose—it is very difficult to do to yourself & very painful.

Zimmerman also may have been struggling with Martin, his back on the grass, which may have left grass stains on the back of his shirt.

I have a bad feeling that this is another case like the Henry Gates case where all the blacks-—including the “Pres—ent himself is jumping to a conclusion. IMO, Barry the Imposter still owes a major apology to the Boston police....

Martin was on a 5 day suspension from school for being caught with an empty baggie with traces of Marijuana in it. Not exactly something ‘the little prince’ should have in his possession.

What is the rest of his background with school & any other record?

Zimmerman sure doesn’t seem like the local KKK dude.

More of this story is yet to come, & I won’t be surprised if it comes out entirely different.

Meanwhile, the Miamo Heat looked like gang members standing on the court in hoodies & with items written on their shoes.

I thought that both the NFL & the NBA had strict tules about “UNIFORMS” & any changes to such.

Didn’t an NFL player get fined for showing up in the wrong color socks a short time ago???

Hoodies on the court make them all look like gang member sheep.


37 posted on 03/26/2012 11:06:35 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Red Steel

Rich Lowry is one of the many reasons I stopped reading National Review Online. It has turned into “Weenie Establishment Types Online”...


38 posted on 03/26/2012 11:14:22 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Red Steel

Rich as six foot up a bulls ass...... total BS !


39 posted on 03/26/2012 11:24:10 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Red Steel

Good grief. I no longer give the Romney-loving jerks at NRO the satisfaction of visiting their site. But this is really beyond belief.


40 posted on 03/26/2012 11:27:48 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Red Steel

Rich, you ignorant slut.


41 posted on 03/26/2012 11:28:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: WashingtonSource

Rich Low....very low....rewrites history.


42 posted on 03/26/2012 11:39:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“Conclusion, Lowry is a moron and the entire MSM has it’s collective head up it’s ass...”

You nailed it!!


43 posted on 03/26/2012 11:41:49 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Red Steel

Man, the number of people making a public showing of stepping on their cranks is something. This is darn good entertainment. It’ll be interesting to see how many are man enough to make as big a show of admitting error, as they do of stepping on their cranks.


44 posted on 03/26/2012 11:45:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Windy City Conservative

” National Review” is DEAD!! RIP


45 posted on 03/26/2012 11:49:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Red Steel

National Review. . .the “elite” republican establishment, full of pretension and arrogance.

Sheesh.


46 posted on 03/26/2012 1:21:42 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Ancesthntr

Indeed. . .and the poor-little-angel-darling (TM) had such a nice twitter name revealing his utter innocence and pure soul.


47 posted on 03/26/2012 1:23:58 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“What we have SOME evidence for? We know someone was shouting help. We know Zimmerman said it was him, and a friend said it was his voice. The family insists it was Martin; “

To be clear, there is a witness to move this to the “what we really know” column.

“I wouldn’t shoot a person to stop getting beat up, “

Serious Question: You say you would not shoot someone beating you if you had a weapon. Okay. Doesn’t this mean you are placing your life into the hands of a thug? I mean, if you are being BEATEN the thug can beat you until you are dead, or, just beat you until you are senseless and then take the weapon from you and shoot you. Essentially, you are betting your life the thug beating you will NOT kill you.

So, if I understand your position correctly, if you are being beat by a thug that pinned you to the ground and is slamming your head into the ground, you would not defend your life? Your choice but not mine.

Like I said, if I understood your position correctly.


48 posted on 03/26/2012 1:40:26 PM PDT by Hulka
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I don’t own a weapon, because I don’t believe I could use it to shoot someone who was threatening me. And I wouldn’t therefore want to have a weapon they might take from me to kill me.

I might feel differently if I lived in an area where I had to think about being threatened. I don’t, and I don’t think I could take a life, so I don’t own a weapon. I encourage people who feel differently to own weapons, and support their right to do so.

I’m pretty sure I could kill someone to save another person’s life, if I was certain that it was necessary. But I know it would be hard for me, both before and after.


49 posted on 03/26/2012 2:20:54 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Red Steel

So many of the writers about this event keep emphasizing that the 911 Operator told Zimmerman not to follow Martin.

This warning is AUTOMATIC.

It prevents lawsuits against the Police Department.


50 posted on 03/26/2012 2:23:34 PM PDT by zeestephen
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