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USA Soccer Team Draws with El Salvador, Fails to Qualify for '12 Olympics
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Posted on 03/26/2012 9:04:07 PM PDT by 38special

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Jaime Alas scored in stoppage time and El Salvador ousted the United States from Olympic qualifying Monday night with a 3-3 tie.

The Americans had to win to reach Saturday's semifinals in Kansas City, Kan., and they led 3-2 on Joe Corona's goal in the 68th minute.

But Alas scored his goal off the hands off keeper Sean Johnson to stun the Americans, who missed the Olympics for the second time since 1976.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012olympics; elsalvador; olympics; soccer; succer; usa; whocares
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To: EEGator

Soccer is a marxist sport...equalizing everything. Boring? I’d rather watch curling, bowling or synchronized ribbon tossing.


51 posted on 03/27/2012 4:33:54 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

I think soccer is quite boring, but I fail to see it as Marxist. Could you elaborate?


52 posted on 03/27/2012 4:42:51 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: newnhdad
Like the metric system, the left has been trying to jam soccer down our throats since the 70’s.. and the more they try, the more we reject it.

What kind of nonsense is that? I don't like NASCAR, but I don't think it is some leftist conspiracy.

53 posted on 03/27/2012 4:51:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Vaquero

At least you have to be a U.S. citizen to play U.S. soccer. How about baseball, again? What were you saying about 3rd worlders?


54 posted on 03/27/2012 4:53:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: EEGator

It is the great equalizer...therefore it is usually boring with almost everyone reduced to the same endless running around with very few (if any) excdptional moments. I know...the game within the gamne idea. Maybe I’m just not sophisticated enough such that I could appreciate the nuances.


55 posted on 03/27/2012 5:00:27 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: 1rudeboy

How about baseball, again? What were you saying about 3rd worlders?

“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

they come HERE to play, in the MAJORS. we are the land of the free after all.

56 posted on 03/27/2012 5:03:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 38special

Oh, the Olympics. I thought it was the World Cup.

I talked to relatives in Europe, and apparently the rest of the world is terrified of US soccer. I told them not to worry.


57 posted on 03/27/2012 5:05:24 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: 1rudeboy; newnhdad

The metric system makes more sense. I don’t think it’s some socialist brainwashing conspiracy.


58 posted on 03/27/2012 5:05:55 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: dfwgator
"lost to ...Canada"

Yeah, but that's only because the refs allowed the Canadians to keep highsticking. Also allowed the Canadians to slam our players into the boards. Totally unfair if you ask me.

59 posted on 03/27/2012 5:11:52 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: EEGator
The metric system makes more sense. I don’t think it’s some socialist brainwashing conspiracy.

Twenty-four astronauts have been on or near the Moon. Twelve of these landed on the Moon and actually walked on its surface.... all using mile, inch, quart, gallons. broken down into decimals, of course...the part that makes sense...rather than that '64th of an inch' thing....nothing wrong with the US system of measure....unless they combine the two systems...that caused a Mars probe to crash.

60 posted on 03/27/2012 5:13:13 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
So what? Is the operative fact that they are playing here, or that they are U.S. citizens?

I'm a huge fan of baseball . . . and I understand that I am watching a ton of foreign players here on visas. But watching U.S. citizens play soccer makes the sport "3rd World?"

61 posted on 03/27/2012 5:15:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: P-Marlowe
"five minutes"

I get soccer games on my tv, so occasionally I'll stop flipping channels to catch the ahem action. Invariably the announcers are in a highly agitated state about all the wondrous things happening on the pitch as they call it. The fans are singing, chanting, shouting, waving signs. Meanwhile the players are busy kicking the ball to one another, losing the ball to the other team, getting it back, kicking the ball to one another in midfield, losing it, getting it back, losing it. Then one player appears to have been harmed by an opposing player and falls to the pitch writhing in agony. The ref pulls out a yellow card, and the almost fatally injured player promptly jumps up and resumes running around.

Finally, after what seems an interminable amount of time, one player finally manages to get off a very weak shot that either sails far wide of the goal or is easily repulsed by the goalie, and they start the kicking-losing-getting the ball back-falling down in agony scenario all over again. I check back thirty minutes later, and the score is still nil-nil.

62 posted on 03/27/2012 5:24:20 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 1rudeboy
here is just some Reasons, real and exagerated...why soccer bites the big one.
63 posted on 03/27/2012 5:25:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Seaplaner
"sick of soccer"

You aptly pointed out the flaws of soccer. I'll add, if they took away three players and shortened the field, soccer would be an interesting game. It's like if you had ten players per team on a basketball court. The court would be too crowded, and even Michael Jordan would have a difficult time scoring. What soccer needs, as has pointed out millions of times by bored Americans, is more scoring. Obviously, most of the soccers fans in the world are more than content with their low-scoring, soporific sport. Until the rules change, I won't be a fan.

64 posted on 03/27/2012 5:30:09 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Vaquero

I didn’t click on your link, but thanks anyway. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike soccer . . . that’s why you didn’t have to exaggerate the “3rd World” issue, especially when you are speaking of baseball in the same breath.


65 posted on 03/27/2012 5:36:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: driftless2
You highlight something that makes FR soccer threads amusing: on the one hand, there are people arguing that soccer is Marxist, etc., and on the other hand, there are people arguing that it is too difficult to score (and that scoring should be made easier).
66 posted on 03/27/2012 5:39:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
By arguing that scoring should be made easier in soccer, I'm also arguing for some sort of scoring in soccer. Soccer is so low-scoring and unrewarding that it dwarfs all other sports in that respect. In any sport, there must be some kind of reward for good onfield activity. If players are executing all sorts of great plays and doing fantastic athletic things and rarely getting a chance to score, you have a very boring sport.

But I find low scores in all sports are exceptionally boring. If you tell me a football game will end up 3-0, I'm not going to watch it. In fact, most sports are set up for low scores. For example, why do pitchers get four balls instead of three? If pitchers only got three balls, they'd have to throw more strikes meaning the batters would get more good pitches to hit, meaning higher scores. Higher scores means more players running the bases and more chances for great defensive plays like trying to throw a runner out as he tries for an extra base. But that's just me. Like soccer, it seems most baseball fans are content with low-scoring games. If you only gave one point for touchdowns and a half-point for a field goal, American football games would seem low-scoring as well. My rule for all sports: more offense-scoring please.

67 posted on 03/27/2012 6:04:53 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
I understand the point, but we are on a thread where the final score was 3-3. So that's roughly one score every fifteen. I don't think it's unreasonable. Just my opinion, of course.

I don't want soccer to go down the road that the NFL has taken. Again, your mileage may vary.

68 posted on 03/27/2012 6:11:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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oops--fifteen minutes
69 posted on 03/27/2012 6:12:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Secret Agent Man
It’s socialism in the form of a sport.

Socialism is sharing all of the revenues equally like the NFL does. In the English Premier League, bad teams get relegated, and good teams get promoted.

70 posted on 03/27/2012 6:19:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: ArmstedFragg
I was about to mention EPL. There’s soccer, then there’s SOCCER.

The MLS is like Rookie League Baseball compared to the EPL.

71 posted on 03/27/2012 6:20:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Judging by your Freeper handle, why can’t Berlin do any better than Hertha Berlin? Amazing such a large city as Berlin can’t have better teams.

BTW I am picking Bayern Munich to win Champions League, they seem to be on a roll.


72 posted on 03/27/2012 6:22:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Actually, we produce some pretty decent goal keepers, too

Tim Howard is one of the best goalies in the EPL, I bet Manchester United still wishes they had him. And yes, I am an Everton supporter.

73 posted on 03/27/2012 6:24:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

I enjoy both leagues, the BPL and MLS. MLS is getting better and have a good product. Some MLS players can play in the BPL.


74 posted on 03/27/2012 6:37:21 AM PDT by 38special (Only fools believe the liberal media)
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To: driftless2

Any sport can be boring if you’re not vested in it, if you don’t follow a particular team.....I mean how boring is a baseball game between two teams you don’t care about?

It takes time to learn the teams and players and traditions of the game. I got into the EPL a few years ago, I started learning about the teams and their histories, and now, I follow the EPL more than I do even the NFL. I have since expanded that to Europe, in general, the Italian, and Spanish leagues and the UEFA Champions League.


75 posted on 03/27/2012 6:38:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: 38special

Landon Donovan played for Everton for two months this season, but he had to return to the Galaxy, I wish he would stay permanently in Everton, the more US players, playing there, the better.


76 posted on 03/27/2012 6:49:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator
"any sport can be boring"

I couldn't agree more. My favorite sport is basketball, but if the teams are just running up and down the floor playing uncontrolled ball, I won't watch. All sports have to be played correctly to be interesting. However, soccer seems to be the worst for inhibiting skill and denying reward. It's nothing to do with the individual skiil of soccer players, many are very skilled. But when skilled players only get a shot off every other year, their efforts are unrewarded and the game is difficult to watch.

77 posted on 03/27/2012 6:51:33 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: kearnyirish2

That would definitely help—and we have to have more of our national team players go live a few years playing in European and South American leagues. They need to learn other styles of play (and not just boot it downfield) and they have to get used to playing with a higher caliber of players.


78 posted on 03/27/2012 7:01:44 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: cartan

It’s probably FIFA that won’t allow players to participate in the Olympics. I’m guessing, I don’t know. But FIFA tends to rule with an iron fist.


79 posted on 03/27/2012 7:06:24 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: dfwgator

Berlin pulls too many foreigners.

Bayern Munich winning the Champions League would be really special for the fans because the final is going to be played in Munich. I am fully on-board for that!


80 posted on 03/27/2012 7:12:25 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Vaquero

We learn both systems in engineering, but mainly we use the SI system. With so many endeavors using multiple countries nowadays, it makes sense to pick one system. During the 60’s, we were way less globalized.

I knew about the Mars probe incident. Just as we picked Zulu time for standardization, to eliminate errors.


81 posted on 03/27/2012 7:46:18 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
During the 60’s, we were way less globalized

during the 60’s we had American exceptionalism....and we went to the moon....who else landed men on the moon???

let them change to OUR system the way pilots around the world must speak english...screw the rest of the world....Globalization is for losers.

82 posted on 03/27/2012 8:22:51 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

You seem rather angry about a system of measurements. I think the majority of globalization is a bad idea and hurts America. (i.e jobs, industry, etc) Base 10 is just a more logical system.


83 posted on 03/27/2012 8:51:44 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Base 10 is just a more logical system.

we use the base 10

all our high tech engineering is SAE (and other English and American units of various types) utilizing decimals.

84 posted on 03/27/2012 9:02:12 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

I was referring to things like (1 mile = 5280 ft = 1760 yards) vs. ( 1 kilometer = 1000 meters)

I didn’t mean base 10 vs. octal or binary or hexadecimal. I should have clarified that. My bad.

I just think it would we wise for everyone to use one system, even if it’s the English system.


85 posted on 03/27/2012 9:10:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
you have to excuse, me...I am set in my ways...and I see the enemies at the gate in all things lately...thanks to the current regime...

and yeah I know what a base 10 system is

time, for example, is on a base 12 system.

and the reason we have a base ten is that's how many fingers we have etc....

...yes there are 5280 ft in a Mile...

1 mile is also = 1000, 1000ths of a mile.

my micrometers and digital calipers, when I use them on the English setting, reduce inches into tenths, hundredths, thousandths, and so on....

you can break down all units like this...and that is what the US space program and most US engineering, used, in general up until recently.

86 posted on 03/27/2012 10:25:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

It’s better to be set in your ways, then to not care at all. I see your point. I take breaks from the news every once in a while as it is maddening. Take care. :)


87 posted on 03/27/2012 10:37:57 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: dfwgator

If you look at its business structure, I think you could argue that the MLS is like a Democrat Congress deciding to create a soccer league. The ownership provisions, the salary limits, etc. are all the sorts of things a government created league would have and most of them would have a negative impact if that league was competing in a situation where there was a free market demand for the product and their competitors were able to act in an unrestricted manner to serve that market.


88 posted on 03/27/2012 12:29:37 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: EEGator

That was a pretty humorous take on dodge ball. If soccer and synchronized swimming can be an olympic sport, dodge ball ought to be as well.

I would still watch and play dodge ball any time, over soccer. Any day, any time.


89 posted on 03/27/2012 2:35:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dodgeball is awesome. If they ever have an adult league...I’m in!


90 posted on 03/27/2012 2:40:14 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Choose Ye This Day

You’re right; we now have more players in Europe than before, and they’re learning how to really play - now we just need more of them.


91 posted on 03/27/2012 5:02:50 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Do you know where most of them are playing? If it’s places like England and Germany, I don’t think that’s going to help us much; it’s too linear a style of play, too similar to what the U.S. does. I want more of our guys playing in Brazil and Argentina and learning the “beautiful game” with all its intricate passing and lateral movement.

Even if the U.S. doesn’t adopt that style of play, we should at least be more familiar with it and thus better able to defend against it.


92 posted on 03/27/2012 6:15:28 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I talked to relatives in Europe, and apparently the rest of the world is terrified of US soccer. I think your relatives were pulling your leg. NOBODY in Europe is terrified of U.S. soccer.
93 posted on 03/27/2012 6:18:32 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I think the leagues are mixed enough in Europe where even in England or Germany they’d be playing with South American talent; I’m not sure what the distribution is.

That’s a good point.


94 posted on 03/28/2012 3:51:20 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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