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Witnesses Back Up Zimmerman's Account Of Attack In Trayvon Martin Shooting, Police Say
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 3/26/12 8:33 p.m. EST | RENE STUTZMAN

Posted on 03/27/2012 5:32:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the neighborhood watch volunteer who eventually shot to death the unarmed 17-year-old, then climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities told The Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities said.

(Excerpt) Read more at articles.orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: account; attack; martin; police; shooting; trayvon; trayvonassaults; trayvonmartin; witnesses; zimmerman; zimmermans
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To: Clint N. Suhks

All we know from the article is that Martin was shot from very close range.. the two were on the ground and it’s plausible that they struggled for control of the gun.

I’m sure Martin didn’t notice Zimmerman was armed until he was underneath him. Which certainly doesn’t make Zimmerman trigger happy, as he would have pulled the weapon much earlier. It’s highly likely Zimmerman felt at risk of himself being shot by the weapon.
One could argue that if he hadn’t been carrying it wouldn’t have come to this... but I don’t see where the police had any choice other than to release him.


101 posted on 03/27/2012 6:25:47 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: I cannot think of a name

An armed society is a polite society.

But an unarmed society, and one in which the State prosecutes self defense, are pretty much the same.


102 posted on 03/27/2012 6:26:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: dirtboy
-- You are a real embarassment to FR. --

I dunno. He's an embarrassment to himself, that's for sure. But the forum seems to be handling the discussion pretty well.

103 posted on 03/27/2012 6:27:45 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Clint N. Suhks

What do witnesses matter in this Kantian world we live in. So what if six witnesses say it was self defense when there are thousands who say it wasn’t even if they weren’t there. Reality is created by the collective mind.


104 posted on 03/27/2012 6:28:06 AM PDT by albionin
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Anderson Cooper had an idiot black panther on his show last night and even he thought the guy was nuts

I wanted to tell him “See what your liberal policies have bred?”


105 posted on 03/27/2012 6:28:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: blueyon

From Daily Mail, UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for having a ‘burglary tool’ and women’s jewellery in his backpack

Trayvon Martin was allegedly suspended from school when security officers found what they described as a ‘burglary tool’ and women’s jewellery in his backpack.
But the revelation in a school report obtained by the Miami Herald has been condemned by Trayvon’s family as part of a campaign to demonise their son by supporters of George Zimmerman. Trayvon’s mother said: ‘They killed my son and now they’re trying to kill his reputation’.


106 posted on 03/27/2012 6:28:17 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: dirtboy
Due to a one-minute gap, you are adding your own conjecture to make claims unsupported by actual evidence

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And so are the people who have sworn here that Martin doubled back and attacked Zimmerman from behind.

The fact is that the last thing before the fight that we "know" Martin did was run away.

107 posted on 03/27/2012 6:29:21 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Tribune7
So, some young guy you don't now but have been following for several minutes ......... ~ fixed that for you.

Have you listened to Zimmerman's OWN 911 calls?

108 posted on 03/27/2012 6:29:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Have you found those 18th century Russian vikings who were performing pagan human sacrifices yet?

Sometimes I think you post stupid things deliberately just so people will talk to you. How sad.


109 posted on 03/27/2012 6:30:26 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: sport
I have yet to hear of a White or Hispanic “flash mob”.

I have. But they were at the shopping mall singing and sang a Christmas Carol.

110 posted on 03/27/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
The truth is coming out. FOX, the Orlando Sentinal, local stations all over the country (including right here in BOise Idaho) even CNN are now reporting these things. Even though the MSM and Obama and left do not want you to know about the eyewitness accounts of the fight showing Trayvon as the attacker:

Eyewitness: Trayvon attacked Zimmerman

And they do not want you to know what the two of them actually look like now.

Trayvon and Zimmer man as shown all over the nation by the MSM:

Trayvon and Zimmerman as they actually look recently:

The truth is still coming out and the special state investigative team will use it. There may be no need for a grand jury given what we are finding out. And if there is, this evidence will be a big part of what they look into.

Fact is, on the tape when told by 911 not to follow the kid, Zimmerman says, "OK" and there is no evidence at this point that he did continue the pursuit thereafter.

In fact, it looks like he was returning to his vehicle when an angry Trayvon confronted him and attacked him.

If any of us were being assaulted, had been stunned and knocked to the ground and the individual who did it was now on top of us slamming our head onto the concrete walkway...what would we do at that point?

Zimmerman called for help. It did not come and he was still being assaulted. It is unclear exactly what happened then...whether Trayvon actually saw the gun and they struggled for it...but I tell you, if a 6' 3" guy in good health had me down and was doing that, I would fear for my life and if I had a gun, I would shoot him to preserve my life.

I believe that is what happened at this point...but am still content to wait for all the evidence to come out.

Whatever else, the race baiters, the President, the MSM, and those of their ilk (including the incindiary New Black Panthers calling for violence and vigilantism) are all trying to bury this and make it a divisive, strife issue to divert attention away from Obama's failed presidency.

111 posted on 03/27/2012 6:31:22 AM PDT by Jeff Head (quivalent of our AEGIS and they already have six of them. They need to build 16 f those. Their Ast)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; All

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While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just last week?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.
(She was most likely gang raped numerous times...but we will never know for sure)

Can you just imagine how this poor old lady must have suffered during the rape, and how the old husband must have suffered being forced to witness it?

Both the husband and wife were weak, having just gotten over the flu.
They were no longer able to care for themselves, and were scheduled to be admitted to a nursing home the next day.

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There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Where is the 24/7 MSM coverage?

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

Where is the outrage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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112 posted on 03/27/2012 6:32:28 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: muawiyah

So what did the bus driver who Travon punched that week do wrong?


113 posted on 03/27/2012 6:32:42 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Peter from Rutland
All Martin had to do was go home.

All he had to do was use the CELL PHONE he had in his hand to call the police.

114 posted on 03/27/2012 6:33:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: muawiyah
I see the problem.

That scenario reads like it was written by an imbecile.

What did I win?

115 posted on 03/27/2012 6:33:44 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: muawiyah

“Trayvon is missing the magic ingredient ~ no time spent in prison”

If Zimmerman had been unable to shoot him its likely the magic ingredient would have happened for either murder or assault.


116 posted on 03/27/2012 6:37:15 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Flightdeck

That’s a new one, gotta link?


117 posted on 03/27/2012 6:38:07 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: muawiyah

I’m intrigued. To what circumstance do you attribute the fact that you were never attacked when you were in a supposedly dangerous environment?


118 posted on 03/27/2012 6:38:39 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Yes, it is linked at Drudge:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html


119 posted on 03/27/2012 6:39:47 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

“As Dan Linehan, a blogger at Wagist.com, pointed out, correspondence with Martin on Twitter before he died alludes to an incident with a bus driver. “Yu ain’t tell me you swung on a bus driver,” Martin’s cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.”


120 posted on 03/27/2012 6:40:50 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Here's a link to a written transcript of Zimmerman's call. Contrary to what has been posted here there is zero indication that Zimmerman was returning to his truck. He had already told the dispatcher where his truck was parked but then asked the dispatcher to have to responders call him so he could tell them where he was.....

http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

Please provide a link to the report that says that Zimmerman was on his way back to his car.

121 posted on 03/27/2012 6:40:54 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: patriot08
85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Buried and forgotten, while the man who faithfully served his country weeps alone...a pox, a plague on our corrupt agenda-driven media.

122 posted on 03/27/2012 6:41:38 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: UCANSEE2
We had a multi-ethnic criminal gang operating in Springfield for quite some time. They'd have a dozen or so get together and move into a store and cruise around shoplifting. Then, at a signal they'd leave the store.

One evening they pulled that in a 7/11 and one of the Indian clerks recognized them ~ so they killed him.

After months of complaint the cops finally broke up the gang, arrested them all (white, black, brown, yellow, etc.) and sent them to prison. The local grocery stores just weren't the same anymore.

More recently a black "flashmob' was operating in Montgomery county MD (NOT THAT far away). Improved security camera systems IDd a bunch and they got caught quickly.

You just can't go anywhere these days without being filmed.

123 posted on 03/27/2012 6:41:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Silentgypsy
Intense vigilance.
124 posted on 03/27/2012 6:42:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Zimmermanb was told by the 911 dispatcher to not follow the individual, to which he responded, "OK".

There is no evidence thereafter that he did any more following.

In fact, he was clearly winded at that point and indicates he was retturning to his car when he was confronted and attacked by Trayvon.

The eyewitness account of the struggle tends to support this. Given Zimmerman's injuries, given Zimmerman's account, given the corroborating account of the eyewitness, the Police reached the conclusion that it was self-defense.

Now a special investigative team will review all of that and either decide to convene a grand jury or not.

We do know that the MSM, the race baiters (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) and even the president are using this politically and have attempted to paint the story exactly the opposite, even down to the pictures of the two individuals that they show all over the country.

Now, apparently, that is all falling apart.

Trayvon had the right to be there. Zimmerman had the right to observe and even follow him as long as he did not threaten, attack, or restrain him.

Apparently Trayvon did not like being followed, so much so that he was willing to confront and attack Zimmerman. He had no right to do that given what we know. Unless more evidence comes out showing that Zimmerman physically incited the physical attack (meaning he attacked Trayvon first), then things are looking worse and worse for Trayvon's case, or that of the people trying to show that Zimmerman deserves to be arrested...in fact who are already trying and convicting Zimmerman in the public eye.

Eyewitness accounts of the fight showing Trayvon as the attacker:

Eyewitness: Trayvon attacked Zimmerman

Picturees being shown of Trayvon and Zimmerman and how they actually appear.

Trayvon and Zimmer man as shown all over the nation by the MSM:

Trayvon and Zimmerman as they actually look recently:


125 posted on 03/27/2012 6:42:27 AM PDT by Jeff Head (quivalent of our AEGIS and they already have six of them. They need to build 16 f those. Their Ast)
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To: muawiyah
If Trayvon had not been shot, it could very well be that Zimmerman could have been the one in the morgue. And there have been hints from those close to the case (Joe Oliver, the media spokesman for Zimmerman) that there was some sort of struggle over the weapon.

Zimmerman believed his life was in danger and was the one calling for help. Until all the facts are in, sarcastic remarks serve no real purpose. We do know that the police have not arrested Zimmerman because the physical evidence and witness testimony support his version of the story.

126 posted on 03/27/2012 6:42:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sport
"it would be good if they did do some "soul searching", but, there is one small fly in the ointment. obama and those on the left have no souls to search. All the Left has is a never ending,all consuming desire to control and to kill other people."

Worth repeating, over and over.

127 posted on 03/27/2012 6:45:54 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Rannug

Did I read that the NBP put out a “Wanted Dead” or Alive poster on Zimmerman? Maybe that was just a photoshop thing....


128 posted on 03/27/2012 6:46:06 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: Flightdeck

73% think Zimmerman should be arrested? WAY too many people are letting television do their thinking for them...


129 posted on 03/27/2012 6:46:55 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: muawiyah
When Zimmerman turned around he undoubtedly crossed Martin's route of retreat ~ remember he was only about 60 feet (three townhouse widths) from his front door.

Wow, speculate much? In the words of Rick Santorum, "Bullsh*t!"

You are arguing your opinion not the facts as they have been published....but then you know that.

130 posted on 03/27/2012 6:49:58 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: muawiyah

If everything you allege about Zim behavior is true, Zim can no use self defense as reason to shoot. It is like I agitated a person and he got mad and swung at me and pinned me to the ground in a fight. While losing and being pummeled, I pulled out my pistol and shot him. The issue is chain of events and when the chain of events were broken. If Zim decided to retreat to his SUV but before he parted and told Martin that the cops were coming and he plans to go back to his SUV and watch them kick his ass. He still has not broken the chain of events because his parting words escalated the situation and not lowered it. On the other hand he tells Martin, fine I don’t want any trouble and I will go back to may SUV and wait for the cops. If Martin felt Zim’s tone of voice was disrespectful and he decided to teach him a lesson, then Martin is now the aggressor and Zim is the defender. In other words depending on the facts, who ends up being the defender can flip between Martin and Zim when the two confronted each other before the fighting starts. My money is no matter what really happened, if Zim has a good lawyer he wil avoid any pitfalls in his statements.


131 posted on 03/27/2012 6:50:00 AM PDT by Fee
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To: muawiyah
This all makes a lot of sense to even the most hardened person if you imagine Zimmerman having his pistol out.

Imagine is the operative word. There is nothing to indicate that Zimmerman had "his pistol out." You are making things up to justify your imagined narrative of what happened. Physical evidence and witness testimony say otherwise, which is why the police could not arrest Zimmerman.

132 posted on 03/27/2012 6:50:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: when the time is right
Watch the DoJ.

They have started a review of “ALL” stand your ground laws, castle doctrine, and any kind of self defense laws.

They want to make it illegal for you to defend yourself.

There is something else people aren't paying attention to. They are starting to gin up the “Racial Profiling” BS. They are trying to expand racial profiling to include private citizens not just law enforcement.

If a white defends himself against a minority, then they will have to defend themselves against racial profiling charges.

If people want to put a stop to this crap there needs to be a steady drumbeat of people referring to Bill Clinton getting sued for ordering his Arkansas State Troopers to Racial Profile.

Anytime racial profiling is brought up by the so called Black leaders, they need to be asked why did they find it OK for Bill Clinton to racial profile.

133 posted on 03/27/2012 6:51:10 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Katya
One could argue that if he hadn’t been carrying it wouldn’t have come to this...

That's right. Zimmerman would have been just another anonymous murder statistic, instead of the target of a Black Supremicist lynch mob.

134 posted on 03/27/2012 6:51:43 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Clint N. Suhks
And in the meantime, Zimmerman's home address is now known by anyone who wants to enact some hoodie justice.

Those doggone founding fathers, innocent until proven guilty! Such gall.
135 posted on 03/27/2012 6:52:59 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: muawiyah

Hope youre not Zotted you make me laugh.


136 posted on 03/27/2012 6:54:29 AM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: dirtboy

“You CANNOT legally brandish a concealed weapon without cause”


Unless you are Holder’s people standing outside of a polling place attempting to intimidate voters then you can brandish a weapon. Holder told us so.


137 posted on 03/27/2012 6:55:31 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: heartwood
It seems that his account is consistent with witnesses’ accounts. The problem is that the no witnesses saw the start of the fight.

That may not be true. Joe Oliver, Zimmerman's media spokesman, said there is other evidence that will come out that will exonerate Zimmerman, including eyewitness testimony. We do know from the City Manager's statement of events that the physical evidence and witness testimony support Zimmerman's version of self-defense, which is why the police did not arrest Zimmerman. Let the evidence all come out rather that trying to speculate what may or may not be the facts?

138 posted on 03/27/2012 6:57:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tribune7
So, some young guy you don't now but have been following for several minutes ......... ~ fixed that for you.

Have you listened to Zimmerman's OWN 911 calls?

139 posted on 03/27/2012 6:59:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Fee

Remember, presuming Zim goes to court, he will have his own lawyer there. Martin will have yet another lawyer from the state’s attorney’s organization who views this as something less than interesting or meaningful.


140 posted on 03/27/2012 6:59:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Your reply leads me to believe that you’re either stretching the truth a bit or you’re creating your own reality. Thank you for giving me my first lol of the day!


141 posted on 03/27/2012 6:59:57 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: muawiyah

>>About ‘tapes’ ~ nobody uses tape anymore which is why we’ve been discussing the “recordings”. <<

Goodness, forgive me for being 51 and stuck in the 70’s. I’m sure you know what I mean.

>>You simply do a google.com search for ZIMMERMAN 911 RECORDINGS and you should get well over a million references to peruse. <<

I asked about Martin’s 911 “recording”.


142 posted on 03/27/2012 7:01:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: dirtboy

I understand why he has the name he has...


143 posted on 03/27/2012 7:01:07 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: muawiyah

I find it interesting that so many people are so willing to condemn Zimmerman without knowing the facts of the case. And the same people seem to be really desperate to hide the facts about Martin. They should correct it, otherwise it just looks like another excuse to riot.


144 posted on 03/27/2012 7:01:23 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: muawiyah
After Zimmerman's brains were dripping all over the grass, THAT'S when he should have pulled his gun and defended himself? After he was DEAD? Oh, he should have done a Vulcan mind meld to determine that Trayvon wasn't going to kill him.

The punk Trayvon got what he deserved. He took Skittles to a gun fight.

145 posted on 03/27/2012 7:03:07 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Clintonfatigued
“Perhaps the MSM are using this to divert attention from Obama’s failed record, but their main motives are ratings and prmomting political correctness.”

Just like the movie. Except in the movie the POTUS screwed a Girl Scout (although I believe they changed the name to “Firefly Girl”)

“None of this means that George Zimmerman is an innocent victim, however. He did provoke the confrontation.”

I'm not so sure about that. I suspect, like the movie “Wag the Dog” we'll never get the real truth: the race pimps and their MSM cronies are involved.

146 posted on 03/27/2012 7:03:41 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Has Mittens won one "Red State" yet?)
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To: CAluvdubya
It's been published. A quick review of yesterday's gleanings will reveal all that for you. Just do a search. It's very easy.

No, we are not debating my opinion ~ you are engaged in using this an opportunity for abusive language.

Tell it to the Administrator.

147 posted on 03/27/2012 7:07:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dirtboy

FIrst the Grand Jury.


148 posted on 03/27/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: D-fendr

LOL!


149 posted on 03/27/2012 7:08:28 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: wtc911
Please provide a link to the report that says that Zimmerman was on his way back to his car.

The City Manger report gleaned from the police reports states, "Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon."

150 posted on 03/27/2012 7:08:52 AM PDT by kabar
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