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Witnesses Back Up Zimmerman's Account Of Attack In Trayvon Martin Shooting, Police Say
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 3/26/12 8:33 p.m. EST | RENE STUTZMAN

Posted on 03/27/2012 5:32:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the neighborhood watch volunteer who eventually shot to death the unarmed 17-year-old, then climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities told The Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: account; attack; martin; police; shooting; trayvon; trayvonassaults; trayvonmartin; witnesses; zimmerman; zimmermans
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To: muawiyah

Brilliant post! Let’s use your logic...

I’ve never been raped in my life, therefore rape never happens! Or, if it does, it is the fault of the person being raped because CLEARLY they put themselves in a bad situation.


51 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:08 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: CPO retired

When it does happen, just refer back to the Zimmerman story/incident. It will be a carbon copy of how the Zimmerman story/incident played out. Particularly if the mob participants happen to be Black. I have yet to hear of a White or Hispanic “flash mob”. Not saying they don’t exist. I just haven’t heard of them.


52 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:14 AM PDT by sport
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To: muawiyah

Have you been drinking this morning? You are incoherent.


53 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:25 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: muawiyah

Martin “retreated”... while Zimmerman was paying attention to him. But, when Zim turned his back and walked away, Martin attacked from behind.

Poor little innocent skittle eatin’ honor student.


54 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: when the time is right

“No the question here is what is the other hand doing? Why is the MSM focusing so hard on a month old story that truly has no legs? What is it that the other Obama hand is doing that they don’t want us to notice?”

Making deals with Putin.


55 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:31 AM PDT by Taxachusan ("Let me be clear...and cheerful." #withNEWT)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Trayvon is missing the magic ingredient ~ no time spent in prison. If his record had included that Zimmerman wouldn’t even have known he was around.


56 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I note that our esteemed leader, Barack Obama, has done nothing to address the “fringe group” New Black Panthers and their $10,000 reward on Zimmerman. The FBI (or some legal authority) needs to be protecting Z because of this and pursuing NBP legally.


57 posted on 03/27/2012 6:00:56 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: Mr Rogers

Yeah, how else would you confirm that your life is in danger until you actually died?


58 posted on 03/27/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: muawiyah
So some young guy you don't know but looks like a thug comes up to you, knocks you down and starts beating on you, and you are yelling for help but nobody is answering and you have a family and you don't feel like losing an eye or receiving some other permanent disability, and you are not sure what he's going to do to you anyway after you pass out, are you glad you have a gun and do you use it?

If this is what happened, Zimmerman should walk.

59 posted on 03/27/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
If so, you are one sick puppy.

Or just someone that enjoys playing the troll, and pretending to believe the stupid things they are saying.
60 posted on 03/27/2012 6:01:28 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: muawiyah

All Martin had to do was go home. He could filed a complain that night with management.

Never bring a fist to a gun fight.


61 posted on 03/27/2012 6:01:41 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: muawiyah
Yes, an attack so brutal Zimmerman's brains dripped out all over the grass ~ he died you know.

So, using your "logic", if I have a CCW permit and am carrying a gun, and someone pulls a knife and starts attempting to stab me, I have to wait until he strikes me with a lethal knife wound to be justified at shooting him in self defense.

You should move to England, your views on self-defense would fit right in there.

But here, you're just a troll, an idiot and a tool of the left. And a utter embarassment to FR. We defend the human right of self-defense here, not demean and belittle it.

62 posted on 03/27/2012 6:02:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MrB

“Maybe a few more thugs thinking “that guy might shoot me if I jump him” would be a good thing.”

An armed society IS a polite society.

An unarmed society is a jungle. All the biggest get to beat and have their way with the smallest.

(Any women on these threads defending that dead POS should remember that - cause you are pretty much always the smallest.)


63 posted on 03/27/2012 6:02:22 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: MrB
When Zimmerman turned around he undoubtedly crossed Martin's route of retreat ~ remember he was only about 60 feet (three townhouse widths) from his front door.

This all makes a lot of sense to even the most hardened person if you imagine Zimmerman having his pistol out.

64 posted on 03/27/2012 6:02:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Any evidence Zimmerman was looking for trouble? Also just because you never got attacked doesn’t prove anything. Some people are never in car accidents, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t wear a seatbelt.


65 posted on 03/27/2012 6:03:27 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: muawiyah; Admin Moderator

geez you’re an idiot

why are you here on this site? It only seems to be to stir up trouble

you dont even contribute intelligent argument if you disagree with freepers

ADMIN - WHY HASNT THIS TROLL BEEN ZOTTED A LONG TIME AGO?


66 posted on 03/27/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
I’m curious, what are you doing on a “conservative” forum?<>I've asked that question before and never gotten an answer that made sense!
67 posted on 03/27/2012 6:04:19 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Trayvon was not a “bad seed.” He was another child not brought up properly. His “parents,” (apparently only in the sense of biology) stood there and watched the parade of suspensions and did nothing.


68 posted on 03/27/2012 6:04:31 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: muawiyah

Your ramblings indicate too much LDS in the 60s!


69 posted on 03/27/2012 6:04:39 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: JoeProBono
If Obama had a son, he'd look like this:


70 posted on 03/27/2012 6:06:15 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: muawiyah

>>I didn’t even get attacked there, and the armed Postal inspector who accompanied me didn’t even get a shot off at anybody.<<

Hmmmmm, I worked in Downtown Cleveland and knew people who DID get attacked there. Did you ever think that because you had an Armed Postal inspector with you, thugs knew not to touch you? You’re not thinking while you are trying to prove a point? Do you think that if someone jumped you and was beating your head into the sidewalk the inspector should just walk away?

Where is the 911 tape from Martin?


71 posted on 03/27/2012 6:07:53 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: muawiyah
Yes, an attack so brutal Zimmerman's brains dripped out all over the grass ~ he died you know.
Then Trayvon began playing with the pistol like a children's toy and accidentally shot himself. (/s)
Zimmerman's injuries were so severe he didn't bother going to the hospital ~ just walked home nekkid from downtown Sanford ~ his clothing having been left at the police station for forensic examination. (/s)
Trayvon, though, was left at the morgue.
Do you see the problem here ~ bet you don't.

Holy smokes....are you for real??? Are you related to Traytray the thug?

72 posted on 03/27/2012 6:07:59 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: muawiyah

I was going to respond to your adolescent drama queen intellectual posturing with an acidic drive-by snark, but given the fact that you’ve been posting here for over 13 years, you can’t be a 14 year-old.

Here’s some stock market advice - whatever you have invested in this story is lost, so sell - sell now!

Never throw good money after bad. Stop posting on this story.


73 posted on 03/27/2012 6:08:45 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Clara Lou

I heard some audio of one of the NBP leaders claiming that “entertainers and athletes” had contributed to the bounty fund.

I’d really like to know which entertainers and athletes are involved.


74 posted on 03/27/2012 6:09:10 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: Travis McGee

When I first read muaijabi’s statement, I figured it came from that .org guy.

Anyone remember Richard Jewel?
Tuwanda?
The Duke lacrosse team?

Attn to my feathered black friends: Fly out of Florida immediately. You are about to be placed on the menu.


75 posted on 03/27/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Clint N. Suhks
If Eric Holder had any cojones he’d speak out about them.

But but but....these are "his people".

76 posted on 03/27/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: dirtboy
Glad to see you've come over to the Dark Side Dirtboy. Earlier you were ranting about the idea that the only thing that matters is who hits who first. Now you'll go for the 'whoever shows murderous intent".

You still have a way to go ~ the Florida law requires only that the eventual killer "perceive a threat of lethal force'.

Put those old standards out of your mind and move into the 21st century. Martin had only to observe this armed man following him no matter which way he went. He wasn't privy to the conversation Zimmerman was having with the dispatcher.

I suppose it's OK FOR YOU to devise a personal COAN that brings Zimmerman into view first, but it's Martin who was being followed ~ and who had a right to self defense, even to the point of inflicting lethal force on his tormenter.

I find it quite difficult to believe that so many fail to be able to look at both sides. Remember, Florida law does not require you to retreat. That was repealed.

77 posted on 03/27/2012 6:10:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I have been very very critical of Zimmerman on other threads. There is the first hand source of his 911 call that puts him in a very bad light as far as anger, frustration, hostility, adrenaline.

According to a UPI article, he told the police he had gotten out of his car to look at a street sign which is not credible - he would know where he was in that small familiar development. But as we know, there have been many inaccurate reports and he may or may not have said that. The first hand source of the police reports is needed.

So that to me is the negative side for Zimmerman.

In his favor, when he gave his account of the fight, he could have no idea what witnesses had seen or not seen and what they would tell police. It seems that his account is consistent with witnesses’ accounts. The problem is that the no witnesses saw the start of the fight.

Also in his favor, he did not pull his gun immediately in the fight. Maybe that is only because he couldn’t. But he is yelling repeatedly for help for quite a while, and then there is a changed yell - more anguished if you will and I am not sure whose voice it is. There is a loud bang that is not the shot. Then comes the shot. This is recorded on the witnesses’ 911 calls.

He should have never followed Martin in the explosive frame of mind he was in. He is morally culpable as far as that goes. But if it was Martin who started the fight then Zimmerman is not legally culpable. And again, no one knows if Martin perceived him as a threat or as an affront.


78 posted on 03/27/2012 6:12:19 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: muawiyah
+1 for ZOT   @o
79 posted on 03/27/2012 6:12:19 AM PDT by tomkat (.. shall NOT be abridged.)
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To: muawiyah
Trayvon is missing the magic ingredient ~ no time spent in prison.

Trayvon would have been in prison soon enough. Over at this thread it comes out that school officials suspended him in October for graffitiing a locker. When the searched his bag, they found "Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool" [from linked article].

As more info comes out, I predict you're going to eat your words.

80 posted on 03/27/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: I cannot think of a name
(Any women on these threads defending that dead POS should remember that - cause you are pretty much always the smallest.)

That's why "Mr. Ruger" is my best friend and constant companion.

81 posted on 03/27/2012 6:14:14 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I never thought of that. Perhaps the MSM are using this to divert attention from Obama’s failed record, but their main motives are ratings and prmomting political correctness.

None of this means that George Zimmerman is an innocent victim, however. He did provoke the confrontation.


82 posted on 03/27/2012 6:14:18 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: muawiyah

No court would agree that you have a right to inflict lethal means of self defense when your “tormenter” is walking away, even if the tormenter is “white” and the “victim” is black.


83 posted on 03/27/2012 6:14:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Even by Zimmerman’s account, Martin did not attack from behind. He approached from behind, they had words, and he punched Zimmerman in the nose.


84 posted on 03/27/2012 6:15:11 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: netmilsmom
Two guys in suits ~ one black and one white ~ criminals flee from the sight.

About 'tapes' ~ nobody uses tape anymore which is why we've been discussing the "recordings".

You simply do a google.com search for ZIMMERMAN 911 RECORDINGS and you should get well over a million references to peruse.

Earlier URLs on FR threads aren't all still live. There's been some enforcement of copyright here and there so the stuff we had on March 20 will probably be somewhere else.

85 posted on 03/27/2012 6:15:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clint N. Suhks

This will be reported by the Obamedia in 5-4-3-2-never.

Pray for America


86 posted on 03/27/2012 6:15:43 AM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: MrB
This is, technically, a case of black on black crime. (Using the old Souvrn' standard of "one drop').

So, what would a court do in this case?

87 posted on 03/27/2012 6:17:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You really are an idiot. You babble nonsensically. You make up laws. You make statements about Zimmerman that border on slander (He was trespassing. He had his weapon out).

Guess what - if there were any reports of Zimmerman having his weapon out prior to a physical altercation or the CLEAR threat of a physical altercation with Martin, the cops would have arrested him. You CANNOT legally brandish a concealed weapon without cause.

So you have no proof that Zimmerman was trespassing, only your own conjecture that is clearly contrary to the facts we do know. You have NO PROOF that Zimmerman was brandishing his weapon at Martin.

Yet you continue to make such claims. While completely bastardizing clear conservative concepts of self-defense. And aligning yourself with the liberals and race pimps trying to make political hay from this event.

You are a real embarassment to FR. And you sure as heck ain't no conservative.

88 posted on 03/27/2012 6:17:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I heard some audio of one of the NBP leaders claiming that “entertainers and athletes” had contributed to the bounty fund. I’d really like to know which entertainers and athletes are involved.

Sinbad is one name that I've heard.

89 posted on 03/27/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: dirtboy
I did not say Zimmerman trespassed. I simply asked if he, himself, really had a legal right to be there, and could he prove it.

You leaped to the conclusion (as that chill went down your back ~ the one where you realized you'd been found out) that Zimmerman may not be the model citizen you imagined him to be.

You assume entirely too much ~

90 posted on 03/27/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I did not say Zimmerman trespassed. I simply asked if he, himself, really had a legal right to be there, and could he prove it.

LIAR. You tried to make the case yesterday that Zimmerman was trepassing. And then demanded your critics prove he wasn't.

So now you are adding bald-faced lies to your liberal repitoire. I guess you feel you can get away with it since that thread got pulled.

91 posted on 03/27/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
BTW, there's a full 1 minute gap in the recordings where the cops themselves say they have no idea what happened. That 1 minute is where there was "Contact" of some sort.

You come up with a witness............. nobody else has.

92 posted on 03/27/2012 6:21:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Travis McGee; AAABEST
"That's what William Raspberry called a 'white people's riot'."

"It's all in the touch."


93 posted on 03/27/2012 6:21:19 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: muawiyah

just walked home nekkid from downtown Sanford ~ his clothing having been left at the police station for forensic examination.
**************************************

They give you sweats or scrubs to wear, or his family could have brought clothing to him.


94 posted on 03/27/2012 6:22:10 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: muawiyah

My post stands unrefuted.
You have not made the case that Martin was justified in using lethal force in self defense against a person that was walking away.


95 posted on 03/27/2012 6:22:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CAluvdubya

10,000 dollar reward offered by that kind hearted organization for Mr. Zimmerman’s “capture” Yeah. Sure.


96 posted on 03/27/2012 6:24:03 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: muawiyah
BTW, there's a full 1 minute gap in the recordings where the cops themselves say they have no idea what happened. That 1 minute is where there was "Contact" of some sort. You come up with a witness............. nobody else has.

And you add a rank misunderstanding of the standards of criminal evidence to your routine as well.

Due to a one-minute gap, you are adding your own conjecture to make claims unsupported by actual evidence.

A prosecutor has no such luxury.

97 posted on 03/27/2012 6:24:49 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: muawiyah
if you imagine Zimmerman having his pistol out

Is that what you "imagine" to justify your position?

98 posted on 03/27/2012 6:24:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Somehow, liberals will use this into manipulating and persuading undecided voters to support Obama. This case seems to have erased all their momentum of Fluke.
99 posted on 03/27/2012 6:25:17 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Clintonfatigued
-- He did provoke the confrontation. --

By walking away? Or by turning around to respond to Trayvon the Thug (tm), who had approached Zimmerman from behind?

100 posted on 03/27/2012 6:25:36 AM PDT by Cboldt
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