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To: ohioWfan
The woman in the movie was clearly an unrepentant practitioner of hypergamy, looking to trade up from a poor fireman to a rich doctor. Until the rise of feminism, hypergamy was recognized by human civilization for thousands of years as a common moral weakness in woman--akin to man's moral weakness towards desiring a harem. The movie justifies her hypergamy, on the grounds that he looked at boobies (after she withheld sex) and he yelled at her once.

She never even repents of this, even though he is required to repent of looking at pornography (which he should repent of), even to the point of taking a baseball bat to a computer. No, she never says she's sorry to him for cheating, or for withholding intimacy, or for not respecting him as her husband. The movie repeats the feminist tripe that has now thoroughly infected modern Christendom: "It's always the man's fault."

Read Firebombed, which gives a true Christian perspective on the movie. While the movie goes to great lengths to shame him for looking at porn on the internet (which is a sin), it never criticizes her for driving him to porn by withholding sex. This is exactly the kind of behavior that the Bible warns women against, and for the exact reason that withholding sex can lead a mate to sexual immorality.

Any movie in which both the man and woman sin against God, but the woman's actions are given justification on the grounds of her subjective emotional unhappiness, while the man is required to repent, is by definition not Christian.

18 posted on 03/27/2012 7:07:37 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Those are some valid interpretations and something to keep in mind. Porn is going to hurt a marriage and so will a wife’s lack of interest in sex. There’s usually more to it than that, but it is a factor.


20 posted on 03/27/2012 7:16:11 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I recently watched this movie and kind of see your point, though I suspect those things were completely unintential on the producers' part (a flaw nonethelesss).

The biggest problems with Fireproof are performance-based Christianity (grace/blessings in exchange for doing good/avoiding sin), flat acting, cliche-ridden dialogue and the film's pacing. The porn thing lacked credibility because, well...Cameron's movie wife (played by Erin Bethea) is H. O. T. So she witheld sex from her husband? Well...I'd say just looking at her with clothes on would be far more satisfying than looking at porn on a computer monitor :)

2011's Courageous is a better film, though it is not flawless.

At least Kirk Cameron is not backing down from his Christian faith. He might have become a far richer and more famous actor had he not become a Christian and/or compromised his beliefs.
31 posted on 03/27/2012 7:38:45 AM PDT by railroader
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To: Thane_Banquo

Since when are firemen poor? They make a descent living and they choose their profession, no one has enslaved them. There is always someone waiting in the wings to have a well-paying job. If the job, conditions and pay don’t suit you, one is always free to walk out the door and look for something else to pay the bills.

Now if you mean poor in spirit, then the man and the woman, in the movie, were both poor in spirit. Yet, neither wanted to be that way. One tried and was rejected until she broke and it was her decision to break away that brought him to the cross road of choosing to change to rekindle not only her spirit of love, but also his own. Then together they could come reunite in the spirit of both of love and forgiveness and be reborn.

God didn’t tell us not to judge, God said judge properly so you will also be judged properly. And Jesus told us to love and forgive for in that there is redemption of the soul. Sometimes forgiveness sets another free, most often forgiveness sets us free.


33 posted on 03/27/2012 7:43:31 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Thane_Banquo

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen Fireproof. But was the wife a Christian when she did all those wrong things? I seem to recall the husband became a Christian first, and that’s why he repented. Also, the point was that the wife did not “deserve” the husband’s love and sacrifice at that point, but he had to give it anyway...just like we don’t deserve Christ’s love and sacrifice, but He gives it, anyway. That was the whole point. And I think the happy ending was that the wife also ended up coming to Christ. Therefore, she would have repented, though they may not have shown that on screen.


34 posted on 03/27/2012 7:47:29 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
That is one, narrow opinion, and you are free to disagree with the point of the movie.

But none of that justifies your absolutely ridiculous and wrongheaded statement that it is a "Divorce-porn" movie.

(At least you haven't argued the ages old defense of wayward men as 'boys will be boys.' Or argued the position that women should be chattel. That's at least one point in your favor).

I respect the movie for pointing out the EVIL of porn, and your suggesting that it was pro-porn is just reality in reverse.

And none of your anti-Fireproof rant addresses the point of this thread, or, in fact, has anything to do with it.

35 posted on 03/27/2012 7:49:13 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

“Until the rise of feminism, hypergamy was recognized by human civilization for thousands of years as a common moral weakness in woman...”

Bless you. I’m not disputing any of your points, however, your statement above regarding hypergamy is not correct within my understanding of the word.

Hypergamy was a common practice throughout the world until being largely replaced by the notion of romantic love in the modern, western world. From christian Europe, to hindu India, to buddist China, diverse cultures used their girls to marry into other clans clans and form webs of alliances - to “trade up” in your vernacular.


52 posted on 03/27/2012 12:13:15 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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