Skip to comments.Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing
Posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by marktwain
Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain told The Daily Caller hes concerned that the facts of 17-year-old Trayvon Martins killing may be getting lost amid the heated political and racial rhetoric surrounding the case.
Where is the investigation? Cain said in an email to TheDC. That is the question that should be asked, and answered, before all of this swirling rhetoric creates an even more tense situation out of this very tragic incident. We need a complete investigation and all the facts, not a premature War of Words.
Cain added that were there are some troubling questions about how police initially handled Martins death, the facts need to come out before the American people rush to judgment.
On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing, Cain said. And it appears as if the suspect was not taken into custody. It appears there wasnt an immediate or thorough investigation.
Im not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case, he continued.
African-American conservative commentator Deneen Borelli told TheDC she thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldnt condone the way some activists have handled the Martin shooting.
He [King] would never condone what Spike Lee has done, who tweeted Zimmermans address, Borelli, the author of BlackLash, a book critical of tactics employed by some progressives in situations where race may be a factor, said. He would not condone President Obamas comments and Al Sharpton injecting himself into this situation the way that he has. This is something that Martin Luther King would absolutely not stand for.
“Herman Cain shows why he would be a far superior president than the current occupant of the White House.”
For some reason, we crucify our best leaders...
Gun control. And the push for it.
That’s what all of this seems to be about.
On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing, Cain said.
Im not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case, he continued.
“but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled”
If this is how you see it then you’ve not been keeping up on the facts. Stop listening to the MSM on this and do a little reading into what happened. The evidence and the facts point to this shooting being a justified case of self defense.
Just read some of the threads here on FR and you’ll see what I mean.
He once again shows why I am glad he is out of the race. Black trumpets all for Cain. From Rick Perry’s rock to this. He assumes it is a senseless killing, and Zimmerman should have been arrested. Besides him, of the current candidates have handled this right. They all assume the worst about Zimmerman, and the best about Martin. GOP is nothing but DNC light.
“For some reason, we crucify our best leaders...”
Cain crucified himself. He should have know he would be subject to a full body cavity search.
A quibble: A killing that occurs in the course of a fistfight is by definition not "cold-blooded."
Working just from the facts that aren't seriously disputed, it's evident why the police didn't automatically arrest a veteran Neighborhood Watch captain who had already called for police back-up, and who had obviously been jumped and beaten. Especially when the dead guy the cops found was the real onea gold-toothed, tattooed, 6-footer with hair on his upper lip and probably skinned knucklesrather than the PhotoShopped 12-year-old whose picture has been promoted.
More facts are always nice. But as far as Zimmerman's actions go, only a political opportunist would conclude that the case is any more complicated than that Trayvon picked the wrong guy to punch.
What would be productive to explore is whether the recent rash of burglaries in the gated compound was actually the work of Trayvon. He had a contact therehis father's girlfriendand he had been suspended from school three times, including for truancy. And he was caught at school, not just with a marajuana baggie, but with a screwdriver and women's jewelry. That suggests either a burglar or a poofter. I guess time will tell.
I even voted for him.
Same here. He says too many dumb things.
How I would have loved to have seen him there..infectious good disposition, a pistive man. Maybe light on policiy areas but if you have a good team in place, it could have been done. The Left knoew this, they destroyed him..Axelrod and Allred, completely coordinated attack from on high. NO ONE will convince me otherwise.
I hope he is given a role in the next adminstration. We need more Herman Cains.
spellcheck is my friend...I know.
Yeah, I was disappointed with his comments. Your comment in the money.
Your retarded headline needs to be shot.
Police departments don’t generally let a murderer walk free if they have evidence of the crime. While we don’t have all the facts here, we definitely have plenty of evidence of media bias. It’s so blatant. They don’t even hide the fact that they aren’t really interested in the truth. That’s not sensational enough. Back when I went through school, reporters were only supposed to report facts. Opinion went on the editorial page. Our media, like many modern institutions, is a complete joke. Unfortunately, I won’t be laughing when blood is shed over this crap!
Just for the record, Zimmerman was grilled 5 hours for the shooting. I think I read he was cuffed before he got into the police car. I might have that detail wrong; there’s so much stuff out there that is not true.
Not my headline, Freerepublic rules are that headlines are not to be changed.
“He contradicts himself:”
Bingo! You got that right.
I don't see a contradiction here. It was a senseless killing. If you accept Zimmerman's story at face value, then Trayvon attacked senselessly and was killed for it. Cain isn't saying it was cold blooded, that Zimmerman was wrong, or that the police were racist.
Where is the investigation? . . . troubling questions about how police initially handled Martins death . . . It appears there wasnt an immediate or thorough investigation.
I don't necessarily have a problem with this either. The country would be much better off if the police had documented a complete and thorough investigation so that they could tell the morons on the left where to go. Given the information that is being made public by the biased media, it is not clear whether the police did their job correctly. It may be that the lawyers are stifling the public affairs officers as they decide what they can say about a juvenile delinquent who was killed in self-defense, but the police are not covering themselves with glory by presenting the results of a complete and professional investigation.
OMG you’re right. The blog has this retarded headline!
Can I mambo dogface to the banana patch.
I see you’re still posting info that was given to you by the Mainsteam Media. Therefor you’re ignoring the current evidence that disputes your comments. If you are going to comment on a subject try to get up to date info on it otherwise you just look foolish.
Those who are making comments such as yours are too busy drinking the MSM koolaid and not thinking for themselves. If you’re here trying to rally up support for poor little Tryvon then I think you’re preaching to the wrong choir. We’re keeping up with all new information being released and much of what you have stated has been discredited as nothing more than the race baiter views.
Catch up or shut up.
And Hiroshima was a senseless bombing.
Rooivalk is immune to facts, and isn’t nearly as entertaining on this subject as are a couple of the others. Its commentary will dry up if nobody corresponds with it.
The only reason I’m not falling for your race baiting comment is that I expect someone who acts as if they know all the facts to at least keep current on new developments in the case.
You state many false claims that, if you were to read many of the postings on FR would show you that your wrong on many of your assumptions. Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.
While he was near his car Martin confronted him. Asking Zimmerman if he was following him and if Zimmerman had a problem. When Zimmerman said he had no problem Martin attacked him. Witness accounts also back this up.
In the attack Martin sat on Zimmerman and beat his head against the ground and punched Zimmerman in the face. Evidence and Witness accounts back this up.
According to Zimmerman, his shirt road up and Martin saw his gun. Martin and Zimmerman fought over who would gain possession of the gun. That is when Zimmerman shot Martin.
Evidence and witness accounts back up Zimmerman more than they do Martin. You would have to do some pretty huge contortions of facts to believe that Martin is the innocent little angel that the Sharpton camp is trying to portray him as. It appears that you are more than willing to believe Sharpton and Martins’ parents more than evidence or witness accounts.
The only unanswered questions are why have they locked down all of Martin’s school records or many of the findings on Martin done by the FL police? Why is there scrubbing of Martin’s Facebook and Twitter pages and comments?
Are you that big of an idiot to ignore all this?
You’re posting from ignorance in what you’re saying. New evidence has been leaking out day by day and it’s painting a very different picture of Martin than the one you appear to believe.
Since you obviously refuse to catch up, I suggest that you shut up since you’re fighting from a point of view that is more Sharpton than facts.
Amazing that you’ve kept your liberal leanings hidden so long on FR and not been found out.
Guess you’ve played your race card now.
>If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.
This may well be true. However someone following you is not grounds to beat them up.
>Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of his authority when he chose to disregard the advice of the police dispatcher and move to confront Martin
What authority are you talking about? As a private citizen, he had the right to go any public place he wanted, and that includes following someone if he likes. Also, the suggestions of a police dispatcher are nothing more than suggestions, not in any way legally binding.
According to what I’ve read, Zimmerman was on his way back to the truck when he was assaulted. Seems to me like he gave up on the pursuit.
>And choosing to close in on Martin made Zimmerman the aggressor in this situation. The fighting and use of a gun would never have occurred had Zimmerman decided to obey the law and just do his job as the neighborhood watch. The key word is WATCH. Not confront.
Bollocks. Under no circumstances is someone following you equivalent to initiating violence. You can spin whatever you nonsense you like, but the person who started the violence here is to blame. Period. There is at least one witness that backs up Zimmerman’s story, and they say that the kid started the violence.
And let me once again state the obvious- following someone is not violence.
Rooivalk is an ignorant troll who has just ousted themselves.
They should be treated like the Paultards who were posting on here in droves and banned from FR. We want thinking conservatives not ignorant liberal trolls.
THIS JUST IN:
Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.
Advice to liberals and media: Steer into the skid and keep you foot on the gas.
I answered your question asshat, are you too stupid to read?
You are one of the few FR posters still commenting that Zimmerman went after Martin and hunted him down.
The fact that you still cling to this demonstrates that you are either ignorant or wishing to race bait. Either way you can go screw yourself. You’re too stupid to waste time on.
When you make stuff up, like you have done throughout this thread, you lose. From now on, nothing you say can be taken seriously.
I may not have the details wrong. There are a hell of alot of details out there. I never heard about the laughing stuff. You read that as I read he was grilled for 5 hours. If I am wrong, so be it.
Shoot! I should have read the entire thread before replyinig to your post. You’re a goofball.
>That MAY BE True you say? Hell that IS TRUE. And that is the crux of the matter.
Rubbish. It’s nowhere close to the crux of the matter. It’s not even on the same continent.
>All this noise about “Martin beat up Zimmerman” is a DIRECT RESULT of Zimmerman’s aggressive actions AFTER he decided to become a policeman instead of a Neighborhood Watch.
What aggressive actions? Did he throw a punch? Wave a gun? Shove someone? No. He followed someone. That’s not aggression in the real world, just in your imagination.
Oh, and while you may not know this, a civilian has as much right to follow someone as a policeman.
>Thank you for at least having the courage to state the facts clearly.
Yet they still have no impact on your twisted perceptions.
The fact that you are indifferent to who actually initiated violence speaks volumes.
Then source it...source your claims that Zimmerman wasn’t cuffed and interrogated.
That he wasn’t initially treated as a suspect.
That he was smoking and laughing with the police in the aftermath.
Because I’ve not seen anything that comes even remotely close to describing those events you claim.
I believe it was Bill O’Reilly who talked last night about the 5 hour grilling. Now like most, I, too, think he’s Ted Baxter but I doubt that he’s so dumb to go on the air with this story if it wasn’t true. I never heard about smoking or laughing. Hey, what’s wrong with smoking, lol?
>Once Zimmerman chose to go beyond his duties as Neighborhood Watch and leave his vehicle on foot, he became the aggressor
You have a completely twisted definition of aggressor. Zimmerman didn’t do anything aggressive. He followed someone. Following someone isn’t aggressive.
>Zimmerman was not a policeman. You seem to not be able to understand that. He had NO RIGHT or authority to approach Martin or anyone else on a street and say or do ANYTHING.
Did I say he was a policeman? No, so drop the strawman.
Let me explain something simple to you in the hope you will grasp it. Following someone isn’t aggression. That’s all Zimmerman did.
And what is this nonsense that Zimmerman had no right to approach or speak to Martin?!? Are you saying I can’t walk up to someone on the street in my neighborhood and talk to them if I choose? What country do you think you are in?
>And to make matters worse he was warned over the phone not to follow Martin. Seems pretty clear cut.
Once again, you are assuming the word of a police dispatcher carries any legal weight. It’s a suggestion. That’s all.
Let me ask the actual question that matters- who started the violence? You know the answer. Martin started throwing punches, and that’s what really matters.