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Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing
cainconnections.com ^ | 26 March, 2012 | Herman Cain

Posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by marktwain

Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain told The Daily Caller he’s concerned that the facts of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s killing may be getting lost amid the heated political and racial rhetoric surrounding the case.

“Where is the investigation?” Cain said in an email to TheDC. “That is the question that should be asked, and answered, before all of this ‘swirling rhetoric’ creates an even more tense situation out of this very tragic incident. We need a complete investigation and all the facts, not a premature ‘War of Words.’”

Cain added that were there are some troubling questions about how police initially handled Martin’s death, the facts need to come out before the American people rush to judgment.

“On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing,” Cain said. “And it appears as if the suspect was not taken into custody. It appears there wasn’t an immediate or thorough investigation.”

“I’m not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case,” he continued.

African-American conservative commentator Deneen Borelli told TheDC she thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldn’t “condone” the way some activists have handled the Martin shooting.

“He [King] would never condone what Spike Lee has done, who tweeted Zimmerman’s address,” Borelli, the author of “BlackLash,” a book critical of tactics employed by some progressives in situations where race may be a factor, said. “He would not condone President Obama’s comments and Al Sharpton injecting himself into this situation the way that he has. This is something that Martin Luther King would absolutely not stand for.”


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Herman Cain shows why he would be a far superior president than the current occupant of the White House.
1 posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:44 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Except that he couldn't resist casting aspersions on the police for not doing a good investigation, even though he says he doesn't know all the facts. Yeah, we don't know the whole story, but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled. The only reasonable comment for any leader at this point is, "We don't know all the facts. Let's wait until those facts are known before jumping to conclusions." If the leader has some sort of part in the ensuing investigation, they could probably add, "and I'll do everything in my power to see the truth come out and justice served." That's it.
2 posted on 03/27/2012 8:05:50 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: marktwain

“Herman Cain shows why he would be a far superior president than the current occupant of the White House.”

For some reason, we crucify our best leaders...


3 posted on 03/27/2012 8:07:08 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: marktwain

Gun control. And the push for it.

That’s what all of this seems to be about.


4 posted on 03/27/2012 8:10:55 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: marktwain
He contradicts himself:

“On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing,” Cain said.

“I’m not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case,” he continued.

5 posted on 03/27/2012 8:13:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: CitizenUSA

“but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled”

If this is how you see it then you’ve not been keeping up on the facts. Stop listening to the MSM on this and do a little reading into what happened. The evidence and the facts point to this shooting being a justified case of self defense.

Just read some of the threads here on FR and you’ll see what I mean.


6 posted on 03/27/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: marktwain

He once again shows why I am glad he is out of the race. Black trumpets all for Cain. From Rick Perry’s rock to this. He assumes it is a senseless killing, and Zimmerman should have been arrested. Besides him, of the current candidates have handled this right. They all assume the worst about Zimmerman, and the best about Martin. GOP is nothing but DNC light.


7 posted on 03/27/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women vote!!!)
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To: libdestroyer

“For some reason, we crucify our best leaders...”

Cain crucified himself. He should have know he would be subject to a full body cavity search.


8 posted on 03/27/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: CitizenUSA
it appears this was a cold blooded killing

A quibble: A killing that occurs in the course of a fistfight is by definition not "cold-blooded."

Working just from the facts that aren't seriously disputed, it's evident why the police didn't automatically arrest a veteran Neighborhood Watch captain who had already called for police back-up, and who had obviously been jumped and beaten. Especially when the dead guy the cops found was the real one—a gold-toothed, tattooed, 6-footer with hair on his upper lip and probably skinned knuckles—rather than the PhotoShopped 12-year-old whose picture has been promoted.

More facts are always nice. But as far as Zimmerman's actions go, only a political opportunist would conclude that the case is any more complicated than that Trayvon picked the wrong guy to punch.

What would be productive to explore is whether the recent rash of burglaries in the gated compound was actually the work of Trayvon. He had a contact there—his father's girlfriend—and he had been suspended from school three times, including for truancy. And he was caught at school, not just with a marajuana baggie, but with a screwdriver and women's jewelry. That suggests either a burglar or a poofter. I guess time will tell.

9 posted on 03/27/2012 8:26:50 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: marktwain
Herman Cain shows why he would be a far superior president than the current occupant of the White House.

I even voted for him.

10 posted on 03/27/2012 8:26:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SamuraiScot
What would be productive to explore is whether the recent rash of burglaries in the gated compound was actually the work of Trayvon.


11 posted on 03/27/2012 8:30:50 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: PghBaldy
Black trumpets all for Cain.

???

12 posted on 03/27/2012 8:31:19 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: PghBaldy
He once again shows why I am glad he is out of the race.

Same here. He says too many dumb things.

13 posted on 03/27/2012 8:31:59 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jack Burton007
Just to be clear, my post was sarcasm directed at Herman Cain who #1 stated we needed to know all the facts, but #2 couldn't resist pointing out how the investigation was bungled. How does he know the investigation was bungled or handled poorly by the police when he implied he doesn't know all the facts? I follow the news pretty closely, and there's plenty of misinformation on both sides of this issue. If we don't know all the facts, then we don't know all the facts. What more should be said?
14 posted on 03/27/2012 8:35:15 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: marktwain

How I would have loved to have seen him there..infectious good disposition, a pistive man. Maybe light on policiy areas but if you have a good team in place, it could have been done. The Left knoew this, they destroyed him..Axelrod and Allred, completely coordinated attack from on high. NO ONE will convince me otherwise.

I hope he is given a role in the next adminstration. We need more Herman Cains.


15 posted on 03/27/2012 8:38:16 AM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: SueRae

spellcheck is my friend...I know.


16 posted on 03/27/2012 8:39:53 AM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: CitizenUSA

Yeah, I was disappointed with his comments. Your comment in the money.


17 posted on 03/27/2012 8:42:19 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: marktwain

Your retarded headline needs to be shot.


18 posted on 03/27/2012 8:45:46 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: SamuraiScot

Police departments don’t generally let a murderer walk free if they have evidence of the crime. While we don’t have all the facts here, we definitely have plenty of evidence of media bias. It’s so blatant. They don’t even hide the fact that they aren’t really interested in the truth. That’s not sensational enough. Back when I went through school, reporters were only supposed to report facts. Opinion went on the editorial page. Our media, like many modern institutions, is a complete joke. Unfortunately, I won’t be laughing when blood is shed over this crap!


19 posted on 03/27/2012 8:46:33 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Just for the record, Zimmerman was grilled 5 hours for the shooting. I think I read he was cuffed before he got into the police car. I might have that detail wrong; there’s so much stuff out there that is not true.


20 posted on 03/27/2012 8:53:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Larry Lucido
Your retarded headline needs to be shot.

Not my headline, Freerepublic rules are that headlines are not to be changed.

21 posted on 03/27/2012 9:02:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: dirtboy

“He contradicts himself:”

Bingo! You got that right.


22 posted on 03/27/2012 9:08:43 AM PDT by Tomato lover
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To: CitizenUSA
Except that he couldn't resist casting aspersions on the police for not doing a good investigation, even though he says he doesn't know all the facts. Yeah, we don't know the whole story, but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled. ...

Yup ... I suggest Cain go out here for the preliminary police reports. Perhaps some of his troubling questions would be answered.
23 posted on 03/27/2012 9:23:57 AM PDT by khelus
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To: dirtboy
“On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing,” Cain said. “I’m not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case,” he continued.

I don't see a contradiction here. It was a senseless killing. If you accept Zimmerman's story at face value, then Trayvon attacked senselessly and was killed for it. Cain isn't saying it was cold blooded, that Zimmerman was wrong, or that the police were racist.

“Where is the investigation?” . . . troubling questions about how police initially handled Martin’s death . . . It appears there wasn’t an immediate or thorough investigation.”

I don't necessarily have a problem with this either. The country would be much better off if the police had documented a complete and thorough investigation so that they could tell the morons on the left where to go. Given the information that is being made public by the biased media, it is not clear whether the police did their job correctly. It may be that the lawyers are stifling the public affairs officers as they decide what they can say about a juvenile delinquent who was killed in self-defense, but the police are not covering themselves with glory by presenting the results of a complete and professional investigation.

24 posted on 03/27/2012 9:44:16 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: marktwain

OMG you’re right. The blog has this retarded headline!


25 posted on 03/27/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing

Can I mambo dogface to the banana patch.

26 posted on 03/27/2012 10:03:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Jack Burton007
“but it appears this was a cold blooded killing that police thoroughly bungled” If this is how you see it then you’ve not been keeping up on the facts. Stop listening to the MSM on this and do a little reading into what happened. The evidence and the facts point to this shooting being a justified case of self defense. Just read some of the threads here on FR and you’ll see what I mean.

If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.

Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of his authority when he chose to disregard the advice of the police dispatcher and move to confront Martin

That much has been established by Zimmerman's own admissions

And choosing to close in on Martin made Zimmerman the aggressor in this situation. The fighting and use of a gun would never have occurred had Zimmerman decided to obey the law and just do his job as the neighborhood watch. The key word is WATCH. Not confront.
27 posted on 03/27/2012 10:29:22 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

I see you’re still posting info that was given to you by the Mainsteam Media. Therefor you’re ignoring the current evidence that disputes your comments. If you are going to comment on a subject try to get up to date info on it otherwise you just look foolish.

Those who are making comments such as yours are too busy drinking the MSM koolaid and not thinking for themselves. If you’re here trying to rally up support for poor little Tryvon then I think you’re preaching to the wrong choir. We’re keeping up with all new information being released and much of what you have stated has been discredited as nothing more than the race baiter views.

Catch up or shut up.


28 posted on 03/27/2012 10:34:32 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Just for the record, Zimmerman was grilled 5 hours for the shooting. I think I read he was cuffed before he got into the police car. I might have that detail wrong; there’s so much stuff out there that is not true.

You do have the details wrong as several eyewitnesses claim that Zimmerman and the police onscene were laughing and smoking together in the aftermath of the shooting. At no time is there any evidence that Zimmerman was treated as a suspect in this shooting.

For example there is no evidence that Zimmerman was asked to submit to an alcohol or drug test to see if he was under the influence of a substance that could have clouded his judgement. Nor have I heard that his weapon was taken into custody pending further investigation.

All in all it seems that Zimmerman gave a wink and a nod and the police just accepted his version of events without any question.
29 posted on 03/27/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Jack Burton007
I see you’re still posting info that was given to you by the Mainsteam Media. Therefor you’re ignoring the current evidence that disputes your comments. If you are going to comment on a subject try to get up to date info on it otherwise you just look foolish.

Looks like I am making you uncomfortable by asking questions you cannot answer. Ha!

Those who are making comments such as yours are too busy drinking the MSM koolaid and not thinking for themselves. If you’re here trying to rally up support for poor little Tryvon then I think you’re preaching to the wrong choir. We’re keeping up with all new information being released and much of what you have stated has been discredited as nothing more than the race baiter views.

Again you fall into the trap of personal attacks which is proof positive you cannot provide any factual information to refute what I am posting

Catch up or shut up.

Wouldn't your statement be better applied to you?

Bottom line: People are not going to let this get swept under the rug and "move on" as Zimmerman so desperately is wanting

There are several unanswered questions that need answers. Why don't you give it a try?
30 posted on 03/27/2012 10:51:38 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Pollster1
-- I don't see a contradiction here. It was a senseless killing. --

And Hiroshima was a senseless bombing.

31 posted on 03/27/2012 10:52:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jack Burton007

Rooivalk is immune to facts, and isn’t nearly as entertaining on this subject as are a couple of the others. Its commentary will dry up if nobody corresponds with it.


32 posted on 03/27/2012 10:56:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rooivalk

The only reason I’m not falling for your race baiting comment is that I expect someone who acts as if they know all the facts to at least keep current on new developments in the case.

You state many false claims that, if you were to read many of the postings on FR would show you that your wrong on many of your assumptions. Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.

While he was near his car Martin confronted him. Asking Zimmerman if he was following him and if Zimmerman had a problem. When Zimmerman said he had no problem Martin attacked him. Witness accounts also back this up.

In the attack Martin sat on Zimmerman and beat his head against the ground and punched Zimmerman in the face. Evidence and Witness accounts back this up.

According to Zimmerman, his shirt road up and Martin saw his gun. Martin and Zimmerman fought over who would gain possession of the gun. That is when Zimmerman shot Martin.

Evidence and witness accounts back up Zimmerman more than they do Martin. You would have to do some pretty huge contortions of facts to believe that Martin is the innocent little angel that the Sharpton camp is trying to portray him as. It appears that you are more than willing to believe Sharpton and Martins’ parents more than evidence or witness accounts.

The only unanswered questions are why have they locked down all of Martin’s school records or many of the findings on Martin done by the FL police? Why is there scrubbing of Martin’s Facebook and Twitter pages and comments?

Are you that big of an idiot to ignore all this?

You’re posting from ignorance in what you’re saying. New evidence has been leaking out day by day and it’s painting a very different picture of Martin than the one you appear to believe.

Since you obviously refuse to catch up, I suggest that you shut up since you’re fighting from a point of view that is more Sharpton than facts.

Amazing that you’ve kept your liberal leanings hidden so long on FR and not been found out.

Guess you’ve played your race card now.


33 posted on 03/27/2012 11:03:55 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Jack Burton007
Maybe you can answer the biggest question regarding this shooting and that is Why did Zimmerman chose to leave the warmth and safety of his vehicle and move to engage Martin on foot?

This was after the police dispatcher asked him to remain where he was.

Did Zimmerman observe some sort of crime that caused him to have to take action? At this point there seems to be nothing to support that view. Do you have information that says otherwise? If so then post it for everybody to see

So again, the question I pose to you is why did Zimmerman chose to proceed on foot and engage Martin? Well?
34 posted on 03/27/2012 11:04:14 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

>If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.

This may well be true. However someone following you is not grounds to beat them up.

>Zimmerman overstepped the bounds of his authority when he chose to disregard the advice of the police dispatcher and move to confront Martin

What authority are you talking about? As a private citizen, he had the right to go any public place he wanted, and that includes following someone if he likes. Also, the suggestions of a police dispatcher are nothing more than suggestions, not in any way legally binding.

According to what I’ve read, Zimmerman was on his way back to the truck when he was assaulted. Seems to me like he gave up on the pursuit.

>And choosing to close in on Martin made Zimmerman the aggressor in this situation. The fighting and use of a gun would never have occurred had Zimmerman decided to obey the law and just do his job as the neighborhood watch. The key word is WATCH. Not confront.

Bollocks. Under no circumstances is someone following you equivalent to initiating violence. You can spin whatever you nonsense you like, but the person who started the violence here is to blame. Period. There is at least one witness that backs up Zimmerman’s story, and they say that the kid started the violence.

And let me once again state the obvious- following someone is not violence.


35 posted on 03/27/2012 11:05:56 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Cboldt

Rooivalk is an ignorant troll who has just ousted themselves.

They should be treated like the Paultards who were posting on here in droves and banned from FR. We want thinking conservatives not ignorant liberal trolls.


36 posted on 03/27/2012 11:06:08 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: marktwain

THIS JUST IN:

Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.

Advice to liberals and media: Steer into the skid and keep you foot on the gas.


37 posted on 03/27/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Jack Burton007
The only reason I’m not falling for your race baiting comment is that I expect someone who acts as if they know all the facts to at least keep current on new developments in the case.

Can you post any excerpts from ANY of my responses to this matter that mention race? I challenge you to do so.

It seems that this race thing is a smokescreen you are attempting to hide behind because you cannot carry on an intelligent discussion. Am I correct?
38 posted on 03/27/2012 11:09:16 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

I answered your question asshat, are you too stupid to read?

You are one of the few FR posters still commenting that Zimmerman went after Martin and hunted him down.

The fact that you still cling to this demonstrates that you are either ignorant or wishing to race bait. Either way you can go screw yourself. You’re too stupid to waste time on.


39 posted on 03/27/2012 11:09:38 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Jack Burton007
You state many false claims that, if you were to read many of the postings on FR would show you that your wrong on many of your assumptions. Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.

So you admit that Zimmerman decided to leave his car and follow Martin ON FOOT. That action right there makes Zimmerman the aggressor since he had NO AUTHORITY to confront anyone on foot or otherwise.No authority. Nada.

Zimmerman's job was to WATCH, not confront. And I ask you what part of WATCH don't you understand?

Even the police dispatcher agreed that Zimmerman was to WATCH and not engage. Yet he made the choice to engage. On foot.

So tell us why did he do that?
40 posted on 03/27/2012 11:17:32 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

When you make stuff up, like you have done throughout this thread, you lose. From now on, nothing you say can be taken seriously.


41 posted on 03/27/2012 11:21:43 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: drbuzzard
>If Zimmerman had not chosen to leave his truck and follow Martin on foot the confrontation leading to the fight and shooting would never have occurred.

This may well be true. However someone following you is not grounds to beat them up.


That MAY BE True you say? Hell that IS TRUE. And that is the crux of the matter.

All this noise about "Martin beat up Zimmerman" is a DIRECT RESULT of Zimmerman's aggressive actions AFTER he decided to become a policeman instead of a Neighborhood Watch.

Thank you for at least having the courage to state the facts clearly.
42 posted on 03/27/2012 11:24:03 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

I may not have the details wrong. There are a hell of alot of details out there. I never heard about the laughing stuff. You read that as I read he was grilled for 5 hours. If I am wrong, so be it.


43 posted on 03/27/2012 11:25:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Rooivalk

Shoot! I should have read the entire thread before replyinig to your post. You’re a goofball.


44 posted on 03/27/2012 11:34:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Rooivalk

>That MAY BE True you say? Hell that IS TRUE. And that is the crux of the matter.

Rubbish. It’s nowhere close to the crux of the matter. It’s not even on the same continent.

>All this noise about “Martin beat up Zimmerman” is a DIRECT RESULT of Zimmerman’s aggressive actions AFTER he decided to become a policeman instead of a Neighborhood Watch.

What aggressive actions? Did he throw a punch? Wave a gun? Shove someone? No. He followed someone. That’s not aggression in the real world, just in your imagination.

Oh, and while you may not know this, a civilian has as much right to follow someone as a policeman.

>Thank you for at least having the courage to state the facts clearly.

Yet they still have no impact on your twisted perceptions.

The fact that you are indifferent to who actually initiated violence speaks volumes.


45 posted on 03/27/2012 11:40:55 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Jack Burton007
Zimmerman was following Martin. He had a right to as a neighborhood watch person. When the dispatcher said to stop that it wasn’t needed Zimmerman said OK and was returning to his car. Witness accounts back him up on this.

And there is the statement you could not get around and that is: Zimmerman was returning to his car. You have twisted and turned but in the end you could not escape the fact that Zimmerman got out of his car and encountered Martin ON FOOT.

And once Zimmerman did that he became the aggressor. All this other stuff you are trying to throw into the mix about "Martin confronted him" is after the fact of Zimmerman approaching Martin ON FOOT and causing further action.

Zimmerman had no reason to approach Martin ON FOOT because he had not observed any crime in progress other than seeing a person walking down the street.

Zimmerman had done his duty as Neighborhood Watch by reporting to police what he had observed. After discharging his duties Zimmerman decided to pursue the matter further and now we have this big mess.
46 posted on 03/27/2012 11:46:04 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk; miss marmelstein

Then source it...source your claims that Zimmerman wasn’t cuffed and interrogated.

That he wasn’t initially treated as a suspect.

That he was smoking and laughing with the police in the aftermath.

Because I’ve not seen anything that comes even remotely close to describing those events you claim.


47 posted on 03/27/2012 11:49:58 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: drbuzzard
>All this noise about “Martin beat up Zimmerman” is a DIRECT RESULT of Zimmerman’s aggressive actions AFTER he decided to become a policeman instead of a Neighborhood Watch. What aggressive actions? Did he throw a punch? Wave a gun? Shove someone? No. He followed someone. That’s not aggression in the real world, just in your imagination.

Once Zimmerman chose to go beyond his duties as Neighborhood Watch and leave his vehicle on foot, he became the aggressor

Zimmerman was not a policeman. You seem to not be able to understand that. He had NO RIGHT or authority to approach Martin or anyone else on a street and say or do ANYTHING.

And to make matters worse he was warned over the phone not to follow Martin. Seems pretty clear cut.
48 posted on 03/27/2012 11:54:51 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: SZonian

I believe it was Bill O’Reilly who talked last night about the 5 hour grilling. Now like most, I, too, think he’s Ted Baxter but I doubt that he’s so dumb to go on the air with this story if it wasn’t true. I never heard about smoking or laughing. Hey, what’s wrong with smoking, lol?


49 posted on 03/27/2012 11:59:45 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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>Once Zimmerman chose to go beyond his duties as Neighborhood Watch and leave his vehicle on foot, he became the aggressor

You have a completely twisted definition of aggressor. Zimmerman didn’t do anything aggressive. He followed someone. Following someone isn’t aggressive.

>Zimmerman was not a policeman. You seem to not be able to understand that. He had NO RIGHT or authority to approach Martin or anyone else on a street and say or do ANYTHING.

Did I say he was a policeman? No, so drop the strawman.

Let me explain something simple to you in the hope you will grasp it. Following someone isn’t aggression. That’s all Zimmerman did.

And what is this nonsense that Zimmerman had no right to approach or speak to Martin?!? Are you saying I can’t walk up to someone on the street in my neighborhood and talk to them if I choose? What country do you think you are in?

>And to make matters worse he was warned over the phone not to follow Martin. Seems pretty clear cut.

Once again, you are assuming the word of a police dispatcher carries any legal weight. It’s a suggestion. That’s all.

Let me ask the actual question that matters- who started the violence? You know the answer. Martin started throwing punches, and that’s what really matters.


50 posted on 03/27/2012 12:03:56 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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