Skip to comments.Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing
Posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by marktwain
Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain told The Daily Caller hes concerned that the facts of 17-year-old Trayvon Martins killing may be getting lost amid the heated political and racial rhetoric surrounding the case.
Where is the investigation? Cain said in an email to TheDC. That is the question that should be asked, and answered, before all of this swirling rhetoric creates an even more tense situation out of this very tragic incident. We need a complete investigation and all the facts, not a premature War of Words.
Cain added that were there are some troubling questions about how police initially handled Martins death, the facts need to come out before the American people rush to judgment.
On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing, Cain said. And it appears as if the suspect was not taken into custody. It appears there wasnt an immediate or thorough investigation.
Im not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case, he continued.
African-American conservative commentator Deneen Borelli told TheDC she thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldnt condone the way some activists have handled the Martin shooting.
He [King] would never condone what Spike Lee has done, who tweeted Zimmermans address, Borelli, the author of BlackLash, a book critical of tactics employed by some progressives in situations where race may be a factor, said. He would not condone President Obamas comments and Al Sharpton injecting himself into this situation the way that he has. This is something that Martin Luther King would absolutely not stand for.
When you make stuff up, like you have done throughout this thread, you lose. From now on, nothing you say can be taken seriously.
I may not have the details wrong. There are a hell of alot of details out there. I never heard about the laughing stuff. You read that as I read he was grilled for 5 hours. If I am wrong, so be it.
Shoot! I should have read the entire thread before replyinig to your post. You’re a goofball.
>That MAY BE True you say? Hell that IS TRUE. And that is the crux of the matter.
Rubbish. It’s nowhere close to the crux of the matter. It’s not even on the same continent.
>All this noise about “Martin beat up Zimmerman” is a DIRECT RESULT of Zimmerman’s aggressive actions AFTER he decided to become a policeman instead of a Neighborhood Watch.
What aggressive actions? Did he throw a punch? Wave a gun? Shove someone? No. He followed someone. That’s not aggression in the real world, just in your imagination.
Oh, and while you may not know this, a civilian has as much right to follow someone as a policeman.
>Thank you for at least having the courage to state the facts clearly.
Yet they still have no impact on your twisted perceptions.
The fact that you are indifferent to who actually initiated violence speaks volumes.
Then source it...source your claims that Zimmerman wasn’t cuffed and interrogated.
That he wasn’t initially treated as a suspect.
That he was smoking and laughing with the police in the aftermath.
Because I’ve not seen anything that comes even remotely close to describing those events you claim.
I believe it was Bill O’Reilly who talked last night about the 5 hour grilling. Now like most, I, too, think he’s Ted Baxter but I doubt that he’s so dumb to go on the air with this story if it wasn’t true. I never heard about smoking or laughing. Hey, what’s wrong with smoking, lol?
>Once Zimmerman chose to go beyond his duties as Neighborhood Watch and leave his vehicle on foot, he became the aggressor
You have a completely twisted definition of aggressor. Zimmerman didn’t do anything aggressive. He followed someone. Following someone isn’t aggressive.
>Zimmerman was not a policeman. You seem to not be able to understand that. He had NO RIGHT or authority to approach Martin or anyone else on a street and say or do ANYTHING.
Did I say he was a policeman? No, so drop the strawman.
Let me explain something simple to you in the hope you will grasp it. Following someone isn’t aggression. That’s all Zimmerman did.
And what is this nonsense that Zimmerman had no right to approach or speak to Martin?!? Are you saying I can’t walk up to someone on the street in my neighborhood and talk to them if I choose? What country do you think you are in?
>And to make matters worse he was warned over the phone not to follow Martin. Seems pretty clear cut.
Once again, you are assuming the word of a police dispatcher carries any legal weight. It’s a suggestion. That’s all.
Let me ask the actual question that matters- who started the violence? You know the answer. Martin started throwing punches, and that’s what really matters.
The credibility of the investigation, the Sanford PD, the DA, the City, etc. would be in a shambles if even one iota of those spurious, unsupported and outlandish claims were true.
Even Bo’R isn’t that damned stupid to make up some fantastical claims such as this. The race war would already be on if true.
I read where Mr. Zimmerman couldn’t stop crying in the back of the police cruiser and for hours afterwards.
Many firearms instructors, police and others with experience in these matters will tell you that this is a normal response for a rational and decent person who has been forced to take another human’s life.
“Laughing with the police.”?? Like hell.
Thanks for the update. He was cuffed, right? I thought so. I love the boob who is outraged that somebody was smoking! Who wouldn’t smoke after that nightmare?
WABC is happily reporting that it was prosecutors who got the cops to drop the case, not the cops. They are reporting this as if it was something new and shiny. They are determined to get this guy.
>He followed Martin ON FOOT. That is the aggression. Following and observing in his vehicle was okay. Getting out of the vehicle turned things into something else. Follow the logic
Cite any relevant statute which states that following someone on foot is either illegal or aggressive.
Good luck with that.
>And the police dispatcher saw trouble coming and advised Zimmerman to stay in his car.
We’ve dealt with that enough times that it doesn’t bear repeating. A suggestion is just a suggestion.
Once again, the key point- who threw the first punch?
You’re just dancing around and avoiding the key issue.
Page 3 of the pdf clearly details Mr. Zimmerman in CUSTODY and transported to the PD for interrogation.
Yet, somehow, according to our resident “expert”, he’s “laughing and smoking” with the police officers.
More of the released information here:
>How do you know that is all he did? What evidence can you provide that Zimmerman didn’t have some sort of verbal exchange with Martin that led to the physical fight and Zimmerman drawing the weapon he was carrying?
There is a witness that backs up Zimmerman’s account that he was on his way back to his truck when Martin jumped him.
Witness >> your speculation.
>Nothing would have happened had Zimmerman stayed in the car and let the police handle things
Nothing would have happened if Martin had not thrown a punch.
Which action is actually violent? Following or punching?
This isn’t a trick question by the way.
You first sport. You made the claims, I’m asking for your source.
I just posted the link to the police report on another post. Now you get to back up your scurrilous claims against not only Mr. Zimmerman, but the investigating officers you smeared with your slander as well.
But as I’ve seen, you’re quite the dancer. Dancing around the questions posed to you.
I read that yesterday but completely forgot about it! There are so many details to absorb. I’m gonna read it again. Thanks for posting.
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